The Next President is...

[Sua Sponte]

 

[HeloDude]

2 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Been hearing about the debt my entire life with promises from Reagan on down to fix it. During that time the wealth divide increased and middle class families that could afford to have a parent at home have been disappearing. Real wages and purchasing power for normal Americans (not you or I) have gone down.

Only a Democratic President balanced the budget and ran a surplus. Trump added more to the deficit before Covid with his cuts. The latest R funding bill adds more to the deficit. But wrap yourself in the "party of fiscal responsibility" while Trump wastes millions golfing more than Obama ever did.

Did you voluntarily return your tax cut under Trump to pay to reduce the debt?  If you didn’t, then why not?

[Banzai]

23 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Did you voluntarily return your tax cut under Trump to pay to reduce the debt?  If you didn’t, then why not?

Did you refuse to accept your COVID stimulus checks because you oppose government spending? If you didn’t, then why not?

[brabus]

5 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Just because Elon claims some bullshit on X, that doesn't make it true.

For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable. 

[Guest nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable. 

If you are that person's supervisor, I have zero problem with this. It's called "leadership." If folks are underperforming, you talk to them directly, but you also talk to their supervisor, oftentimes there's a lack of direction and leadership.

If we wanna figure out who are the A & B players and RIF some of those below the line, got it. Do that due diligence, give people a chance to shape up via a PIP, and then cut folks who are not meeting the new standards. If you want to reform the civil service with something like Schedule F, Congress is right f*cking there, they will probably pass that if the President wants it!

What is happening now is so far from that it's laughable. A random OPM email sent out over the weekend to over 2 million people, some of whom they have no business emailing in the first place, aint' it. Something something centralized command, decentralized execution...

Even in a "crisis" as some have claimed we're experiencing, here's a list of 5 things leaders shouldn't do (keeping with Elon's theme):

1. Mock & disparage their people
2. Issue illegal orders
3. Flail around and offer contradictory, fire-from-the-hip guidance
4. Employ a random person from outside the organization to order folks around
5. Fail to coordinate among their subordinate departments / sections so that no one knows what's going on

Edited February 23 by nsplayr

[brabus]

4 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

So you failed to FWA report them. Nice.

It wouldn’t have accomplished anything. The 5th time wouldn’t have accomplished anything. That’s how fucked the “damn near can’t fire fed civ” process is. I feel like not a lot of people realize how ridiculous it is. 

[Guest nsplayr]

This is real, no-shit communication from our Commander in Chief. Would you accept this as "leadership" from one of your flight commanders or shop chiefs? From a SQ/CC? From a WG/CC? They would be fired for this level of childish condensation toward the people they themselves are tasked to lead.

[brabus]

2 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

give people a chance to shape up via a PIP, and then cut folks who are not meeting the new standards.

Agree with everything else you said. Just highlighting this comment wildly simplifies a ridiculous process. It’s so far from being as simple as you just made it sound. I think it should be as easy as you made it sound, but that is far from reality. 

[Guest nsplayr]

4 minutes ago, brabus said:

Agree with everything else you said. Just highlighting this comment wildly simplifies a ridiculous process. It’s so far from being as simple as you just made it sound. I think it should be as easy as you made it sound, but that is far from reality. 

Sure, so have the GOP Congress pass schedule F or other similar reforms and make the process better. Has there been any movement on that at all?

Do I trust the current admin to run the process of changing federal civil service protections? Hell no I don't. But I do support some reforms to byzantine way we hire and fire fed civilians, I've seen some of the same stuff you've seen, we all have.

The admin is burning any possible bipartisan goodwill by flagratenly demonstrating right now that it's not about merit, it's not about efficiency, it's not about reforming or improving the process - it's about power and "traumatizing federal workers" so they will quit. Which is very dumb if they want to make any durable changes.

Edited February 23 by nsplayr

[Lord Ratner]

6 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

So get fucked with your "you don't know what it's like" bullshit paternalism.

Might be time to take another break from BO.net. This is obviously a very emotional issue for you based on your wife's job and you aren't going to get anything but frustration hearing the rest of us bloviate about it. 

 

Best of luck to you and your wife.

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, Banzai said:

Did you refuse to accept your COVID stimulus checks because you oppose government spending? If you didn’t, then why not?

I never got a Covid stimulus check…but nice try.

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This is real, no-shit communication from our Commander in Chief. Would you accept this as "leadership" from one of your flight commanders or shop chiefs? 

False comparison.  People voted for this bro, just say you hate democracy (joking🙂).

Edited to add: I also wouldn't accept a brain dead Alzheimer's patient in command, but don't forget you were pleased with your vote there.  

Edited February 24 by tac airlifter

[Banzai]

3 hours ago, HeloDude said:

I never got a Covid stimulus check…but nice try.

But we do know the answer to what you would have done.

[HeloDude]

18 minutes ago, Banzai said:

But we do know the answer to what you would have done.

Nice try at a save lol.

[Sua Sponte]

6 hours ago, brabus said:

For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable. 

Yeah, but you probably did Weekly Activity Reports (WAR) for leaders in your CoC. Not for some random dude on a social media site based on a tweet.

[brabus]

Irrelevant. Are WARs (or similar) bad? I don’t think so. I’ve also been very clear that this specific scenario is a shit show. I’m not defending who or how, but I will say the concept is sound and widely used. That is all. 

[brabus]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

it's not about merit, it's not about efficiency, it's not about reforming or improving the process

Do you get this worked up about every mass layoff? What about all the people forced out of a job because they wouldn’t take an experimental vaccine (fed and private sector)? The problem is you and the rest of the Dems have decided to put fed workers on a pedestal (except the ones who didn’t take the vax, fuck them right?) because it’s a convenient means to try to throw political poop at your opponent.
 

Also, I think we’ll be seeing plenty of efficiency, reform, and process improvement over time. 

[frog]

10 hours ago, brabus said:

Irrelevant. Are WARs (or similar) bad? I don’t think so. I’ve also been very clear that this specific scenario is a shit show. I’m not defending who or how, but I will say the concept is sound and widely used. That is all. 

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

[ClearedHot]

18 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Even in a "crisis" as some have claimed we're experiencing, here's a list of 5 things leaders shouldn't do (keeping with Elon's theme):

1. Mock & disparage their people
2. Issue illegal orders
3. Flail around and offer contradictory, fire-from-the-hip guidance
4. Employ a random person from outside the organization to order folks around
5. Fail to coordinate among their subordinate departments / sections so that no one knows what's going on

I must have missed your outrage when Biden killed thousands of coal miner jobs...his flippant retort for all those people was "learn to code".

Not defending what is happening as I think it is unneeded chaos....but the other side has done things that are equally insensitive and I never heard a peep out of you.

[SurelySerious]

I must have missed your outrage when Biden killed thousands of coal miner jobs...his flippant retort for all those people was "learn to code".
Not defending what is happening as I think it is unneeded chaos....but the other side has done things that are equally insensitive and I never heard a peep out of you.

Even more egregious the pipeline construction shutdowns costing tens of thousands of jobs that don’t even stop the movement of oil, just forced it to go via rail which is environmentally much worse.

[Lord Ratner]

56 minutes ago, frog said:

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

If the OG had delegated that authority to the MSG deputy, then yes. Can we all stop pretending like Elon just started doing this with a Gmail account? The president of the United States, who everyone in the government reports to, decided to do this. Like every other corporate "force reduction," he has delegated that work to someone else.

 

Doesn't the wing Commander have to sign all officer OPRs anyway? 

 

Do this many people really believe that the government owes someone a job?

Edited February 24 by Lord Ratner

[tac airlifter]

49 minutes ago, frog said:

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

If the MAJCOM/CC did a BNR to said Deputy ordering this task: yes or course, wouldn’t you?
 

and let’s not pretend all fed workers are equivalent to a line captain training for war, lol.  The reason this effort is happening (acknowledging execution is a mess) is the massive amount of worthless workers discovered who were getting paid for not working or otherwise gaming the system and adding no value.  Not to mention the subtle threat of inside resistance to our duly elected new administration.  

[BashiChuni]

I think the emails aren’t the point. It’s trying to find a signal thru the noise. You actually think anyone is going to read millions of email replies?

say what you want about Elon, but he’s not dumb. This playbook was implemented on a much smaller scale at twitter and worked. Let’s see how it plays out. 

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

This playbook was implemented on a much smaller scale at twitter and worked. Let’s see how it plays out. 

if the goal was to lose users and a shitload of value, then yeah it worked

[BashiChuni]

4 minutes ago, Day Man said:

if the goal was to lose users and a shitload of value, then yeah it worked

The media claimed twitter was on the verge of failure “any day”. That didn’t happen. Twitter is very successful. Let Elon cook.