The Next President is...

[brabus]

Irrelevant. Are WARs (or similar) bad? I don’t think so. I’ve also been very clear that this specific scenario is a shit show. I’m not defending who or how, but I will say the concept is sound and widely used. That is all. 

[brabus]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

it's not about merit, it's not about efficiency, it's not about reforming or improving the process

Do you get this worked up about every mass layoff? What about all the people forced out of a job because they wouldn’t take an experimental vaccine (fed and private sector)? The problem is you and the rest of the Dems have decided to put fed workers on a pedestal (except the ones who didn’t take the vax, fuck them right?) because it’s a convenient means to try to throw political poop at your opponent.
 

Also, I think we’ll be seeing plenty of efficiency, reform, and process improvement over time. 

[frog]

10 hours ago, brabus said:

Irrelevant. Are WARs (or similar) bad? I don’t think so. I’ve also been very clear that this specific scenario is a shit show. I’m not defending who or how, but I will say the concept is sound and widely used. That is all. 

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

[ClearedHot]

18 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Even in a "crisis" as some have claimed we're experiencing, here's a list of 5 things leaders shouldn't do (keeping with Elon's theme):

1. Mock & disparage their people
2. Issue illegal orders
3. Flail around and offer contradictory, fire-from-the-hip guidance
4. Employ a random person from outside the organization to order folks around
5. Fail to coordinate among their subordinate departments / sections so that no one knows what's going on

I must have missed your outrage when Biden killed thousands of coal miner jobs...his flippant retort for all those people was "learn to code".

Not defending what is happening as I think it is unneeded chaos....but the other side has done things that are equally insensitive and I never heard a peep out of you.

[SurelySerious]

I must have missed your outrage when Biden killed thousands of coal miner jobs...his flippant retort for all those people was "learn to code".
Not defending what is happening as I think it is unneeded chaos....but the other side has done things that are equally insensitive and I never heard a peep out of you.

Even more egregious the pipeline construction shutdowns costing tens of thousands of jobs that don’t even stop the movement of oil, just forced it to go via rail which is environmentally much worse.

[Lord Ratner]

56 minutes ago, frog said:

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

If the OG had delegated that authority to the MSG deputy, then yes. Can we all stop pretending like Elon just started doing this with a Gmail account? The president of the United States, who everyone in the government reports to, decided to do this. Like every other corporate "force reduction," he has delegated that work to someone else.

 

Doesn't the wing Commander have to sign all officer OPRs anyway? 

 

Do this many people really believe that the government owes someone a job?

Edited February 24 by Lord Ratner

[tac airlifter]

49 minutes ago, frog said:

This is the equivalent of the MSG Deputy tasking a Capt flying the line in the OG to justify their job. Would you be cool with that?

If the MAJCOM/CC did a BNR to said Deputy ordering this task: yes or course, wouldn’t you?
 

and let’s not pretend all fed workers are equivalent to a line captain training for war, lol.  The reason this effort is happening (acknowledging execution is a mess) is the massive amount of worthless workers discovered who were getting paid for not working or otherwise gaming the system and adding no value.  Not to mention the subtle threat of inside resistance to our duly elected new administration.  

[BashiChuni]

I think the emails aren’t the point. It’s trying to find a signal thru the noise. You actually think anyone is going to read millions of email replies?

say what you want about Elon, but he’s not dumb. This playbook was implemented on a much smaller scale at twitter and worked. Let’s see how it plays out. 

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

This playbook was implemented on a much smaller scale at twitter and worked. Let’s see how it plays out. 

if the goal was to lose users and a shitload of value, then yeah it worked

[BashiChuni]

4 minutes ago, Day Man said:

if the goal was to lose users and a shitload of value, then yeah it worked

The media claimed twitter was on the verge of failure “any day”. That didn’t happen. Twitter is very successful. Let Elon cook. 

[disgruntledemployee]

How can Elon fire a mil GS?  Doesn't he have to follow the same process as the civ's regular boss?

[ClearedHot]

15 minutes ago, Day Man said:

if the goal was to lose users and a shitload of value, then yeah it worked

I think the goal was to restore free speech, and yeah, it worked.

[dream big]

5 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I must have missed your outrage when Biden killed thousands of coal miner jobs...his flippant retort for all those people was "learn to code".

Not defending what is happening as I think it is unneeded chaos....but the other side has done things that are equally insensitive and I never heard a peep out of you.

You mean business as usual? Politics as usual wrt General Officer firings? That’s too reasonable and a Stoical response  for a group of folks that need to be constantly outraged by something.

[Sua Sponte]

3 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

How can Elon fire a mil GS?  Doesn't he have to follow the same process as the civ's regular b

[GrndPndr]

2 hours ago, Banzai said:

To be clear, your original comment was a false equivalency that sidesteps the actual arguments about holistic tax policy. You aren’t dumb (although you avoid arguments and argue fallaciously), so I know you know that taxes are a societal thing to fund programs for everyone. If I could get more for myself by paying more taxes, maybe I would. But in your scenario, you are arguing that people should just pay more money to get nothing - I.e. give the disproportionate return on those benefits to moochers like you.

If you support reduction of taxes while we’re in a deficit, i assume you would also support commensurate reduction in government entitlements like military retirement pay and disability, right? I mean. In the end you should be getting the same amount of money. 10% cut to taxes, 10% cut to pay, all evens out and seems super fair! Something tells me none of you would advocate for that.

No, you guys want more of everything, cuts to things you don’t use, and to not engage in a grown up conversation about how to realistically balance the budget.

You may have missed it.  Tax cuts do not have to be a zero sum gain.  Tax reductions (if structured correctly) result in increased revenue.  So no, we're not thinking about giving up toys in order to provide tax relief of some kind to the masses.

[uhhello]

Trump admin just walked back the ramifications of the GS email.  Voluntary and no repercussions if not responded to.

[Sua Sponte]

2 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Trump admin just walked back the ramifications of the GS email.  Voluntary and no repercussions if not responded to.

Yeah, the attorneys know it’s illegal. That’s why Kash Patel told the FBI not to respond. 

[BashiChuni]

[SurelySerious]

Elon FWA’ing with everyone’s time. IG complaints inbound.

[Sua Sponte]

28 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

IG complaints inbound.

No complaints when Trump fired the IGs.

[Lord Ratner]

7 hours ago, Banzai said:

No, you guys want more of everything, cuts to things you don’t use, and to not engage in a grown up conversation about how to realistically balance the budget.

Why do you clowns insist on creating some false aggregate of positions to create the perfect conservative bogey man to debate instead of the people actually here in the discussion? 

 

You wanna balance the budget? Freeze all distribution programs at their nominal levels immediately. Let inflation solve the rest. Cut Medicare of for anything but stabilization and pain management after 80 years old. Fix Medicaid so that some retarded homeless junkie can't use emergency rooms for free while everyone with a job and insurance has to pay a fortune for after-hours care. Reform all benefits programs to *once again* require working age adults to work or starve. Strip the military acquisitions process of all special interests. No more buying pens from the blind just because. Remove all tax benefits for capital gains on publicly traded and private equity assets. It's income, you pay income tax on it. Stop securing home loans and student loans at the federal level and stop the rocket ship of rising home and education prices. Means-test VA disability benefits. For every $3 above $100,000 you make you lose $1 of your benefit. Obviously you aren't financially suffering from your disability. 

 

None of this is going to happen right now because everybody is hooked on the drug of free shit. What's going to happen is at some point we are going to get into a bloody messy war, a bunch of our kids are going to get fucking slaughtered by the Chinese or the Russians or the Europeans or the Africans or whoever the fuck we end up fighting, and all of a sudden people will get very serious again. You'll spend your savings on war bonds that you know are going to depreciate in value because what other choice do you have when it's directly funding the survival of your children in some God forsaken warzone? It will suck for a lot of people with pink hair and custom pronouns as the society exits the war with a newfound sense of homogeneity and community responsibility. Being your "authentic self" will be wiped away by the same judgemental fury of the surviving servicemen who will shun and shame those who believe the society owes them a payout or a tax shelter. Both the ultra rich and the ultra lazy will find themselves with fewer allies than ever. 

 

Until then, chill out, have a beer, and be happy that we don't die of paper cuts or colds. This has all happened before and it will all happen again.

[BuddhaSixFour]

And just like that, proof it was never about the budget:

 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-republicans-advance-trump-agenda-final-vote-looms-tonight

 

“The House's resolution lays out a $1.5 trillion floor for spending cuts across committees with a final target of $2 trillion, as well as a $4.5 trillion ceiling on the deficit impact of any GOP plan to extend Trump's 2017 tax cuts, The Hill reports. It also includes $300 billion in additional spending on the border and defense, as well as a $4 trillion debt limit increase.”

 

 

[Sua Sponte]

36 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said:

And just like that, proof it was never about the budget:

 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-republicans-advance-trump-agenda-final-vote-looms-tonight

 

“The House's resolution lays out a $1.5 trillion floor for spending cuts across committees with a final target of $2 trillion, as well as a $4.5 trillion ceiling on the deficit impact of any GOP plan to extend Trump's 2017 tax cuts, The Hill reports. It also includes $300 billion in additional spending on the border and defense, as well as a $4 trillion debt limit increase.”

 

 

“If the Republican plan passes under the rosiest assumptions, which aren’t even true, we’re gonna add $328 billion to the deficit this year, we’re gonna add $295 billion to the deficit the year after that, and $242 billion to the deficit after that, under the rosiest assumptions” Massie warned, adding “Why would I vote for that?”

[disgruntledemployee]

So Trump is going to veto this spending bill, right?

[Lord Ratner]

4 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

So Trump is going to veto this spending bill, right?

Look dude, if there's someone here you can quote or remember supporting Republican spending increases, let's see it. Otherwise this obviously ignorant "if you voted for someone you must support every single thing they've ever done or ever will do" act of yours is just boring. With the exception of maybe one or two people, every single person who voted for Trump here has been quite honest about the trade-offs being made when voting for him.

 

I bet the people in your life would benefit greatly if you unplugged yourself from political news for a bit.

Edited February 26 by Lord Ratner