BuddhaSixFour Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Look dude, if there's someone here you can quote or remember supporting Republican spending increases, let's see it. Otherwise this obviously ignorant "if you voted for someone you must support every single thing they've ever done or ever will do" act of yours is just boring. With the exception of maybe one or two people, every single person who voted for Trump here has been quite honest about the trade-offs being made when voting for him. I bet the people in your life would benefit greatly if you unplugged yourself from political news for a bit. Thats not our point. We know you are against spending increases and that Brabus is genuinely concerned about the deficit. The point is that less than a month in, the GOP is proving it doesn’t share those values at all, and that DOGE is saving pennies over here to distract you while you while they rob you over there.
Lord Ratner Posted February 26 Posted February 26 12 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said: Thats not our point. We know you are against spending increases and that Brabus is genuinely concerned about the deficit. The point is that less than a month in, the GOP is proving it doesn’t share those values at all, and that DOGE is saving pennies over here to distract you while you while they rob you over there. No dude. That's not the point. Also the Republican spending plans were known before the election. It was all over the news obviously. The point is that the Republican party has recognized what the Democrats knew and started years ago. Once the American people are hooked on free cheese, you ain't unhooking them. Not without some sort of external catastrophe resetting societal expectations. Donald Trump is the reason the Republicans have figured that out. I lament at the implications, but I don't deny the reality. If you want to go shout at a crowd of deranged mega hypocrites, you're at the wrong website. Like I said, everyone here who supported Donald Trump that I know of did so explicitly acknowledging the problem with deficit spending. I have gone into great detail of my personal beliefs. We are going to spend ourselves into Oblivion no matter what, so what I have to vote on is who is going to allocate this magic money towards the items that best position us to win world war 3, which I believe is inevitable. It doesn't help that we are also in the middle of a political shift, where the parties fall apart and realign under new identities. So all of your gnashing at wailing at Republicans is pointless, because the Republican party of George w bush has already been killed, and we don't know what the Republican party being born of Donald Trump will look like when it is fully formed. Just like progressivism assassinated the Democratic party, we have no idea what they will look like when they reorganize. For now, it looks like Republicans are going to steal labor away from Democrats. But I'm sure there will be more realignments involved. 1
BuddhaSixFour Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Okay, then I’m not talking to you personally. Carry on.
brabus Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) @BuddhaSixFour To be honest, DOGE and this bill combined are cutting trillions in wasteful spending, not “pennies.” Now what I don’t like is why are we possibly adding upwards of 3-4 trillion to the deficit? Essentially this negates all the wasteful spending we’re cutting. I suppose the positive for one side is at least the money is potentially being spent on things they agree with/can accept vs. the alternatives. Regardless, I don’t like it at all. I’d like to know what spending falls under the massive amount earmarked under ways and means? Don’t have time to dig into it, but they’d be very hard pressed to convince me it makes sense to add to the deficit. Edited February 26 by brabus 2
disgruntledemployee Posted February 26 Author Posted February 26 5 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: Look dude, if there's someone here you can quote or remember supporting Republican spending increases, let's see it. Otherwise this obviously ignorant "if you voted for someone you must support every single thing they've ever done or ever will do" act of yours is just boring. With the exception of maybe one or two people, every single person who voted for Trump here has been quite honest about the trade-offs being made when voting for him. I bet the people in your life would benefit greatly if you unplugged yourself from political news for a bit. You read quite emotional. It's OK. Trump blustered his lies of making things great again, to include out of control spending. Some Rs balk and he brow beats em in line, except 1. I called out Trump's actions, that's all. And it's too easy because he does it all the time. And yet you seem to take it personally. Instead of attacking me for calling the shot, lay some criticism where it belongs... the dude doing the shots. You could have easily said, "Not a good look to go bashing Ds and out of control spending and yet he looks to do the same." Or something like that. 1
HeloDude Posted February 26 Posted February 26 If the Trump/GOP don’t lower the deficit then it was all a joke. I get how they want to “increase spending at a lower rate” compared to the Dems, but this is the same nonsense they (the GOP) have done before. If someone wants to know where I stand, look at what Massie says and I’m sure I’m close to his position. 1 1
BashiChuni Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, HeloDude said: If the Trump/GOP don’t lower the deficit then it was all a joke. I get how they want to “increase spending at a lower rate” compared to the Dems, but this is the same nonsense they (the GOP) have done before. If someone wants to know where I stand, look at what Massie says and I’m sure I’m close to his position. this. the deep state is in both sides of the political spectrum. it's why businesses contribute to both parties...why risk ever being out of influence/power based on elections? 1
Sua Sponte Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, HeloDude said: If the Trump/GOP don’t lower the deficit then it was all a joke. I get how they want to “increase spending at a lower rate” compared to the Dems, but this is the same nonsense they (the GOP) have done before. If someone wants to know where I stand, look at what Massie says and I’m sure I’m close to his position. Prepare to laugh, because that joke is about to be reality.
BashiChuni Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said: Prepare to laugh, because that joke is about to be reality. i'm afraid you're correct
busdriver Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Did you guys ever actually think reducing the deficit was going to happen in this administration? He took entitlement reform/cuts off the table long ago. 1
ClearedHot Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Epstein list supposed to be released in full today, will be interesting to see how much oxygen that consumes and who is caught up in the web. One of the flight trackers on X was monitoring to see how many business jets left the country last night. 1
herkbum Posted February 27 Posted February 27 What did the flight tracker find?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
brabus Posted February 27 Posted February 27 11 hours ago, busdriver said: Did you guys ever actually think reducing the deficit was going to happen in this administration? The better phrasing is did anybody think any president in the 21st century was going to reduce the deficit? This is not a current or future excuse for the Trump admin. But just a means to highlight this is not a Trump problem, it is an everybody problem. To be fair, Trump has done better than his predecessors, but by no means am I cheering the current state that he, along with the guys prior to him, have had their hands in helping perpetuate. 2
Sua Sponte Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Unfortunately, after being told to terminate two people yesterday my name appeared on a list to be terminated. Been a wild ride. 2
17D_guy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Unfortunately, after being told to terminate two people yesterday my name appeared on a list to be terminated. Been a wild ride. Tell your story and contact your reps. GOP leadership has told the reps/senators to stop holding townhalls. So ours did a tele-townhall at 2pm on a Tuesday. Heaven forbid they actually face their constituents, which to me would be the first priority of the job.
busdriver Posted February 27 Posted February 27 6 hours ago, brabus said: The better phrasing is did anybody think any president in the 21st century was going to reduce the deficit? Social Security insolvency, otherwise maybe after the boomers all die off. Gen X is small enough that it might not be complete political suicide. Might.
Sua Sponte Posted February 27 Posted February 27 No way.... https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/27/business/elon-musk-faa-air-traffic-control-failing-spacex/index.html 1
SurelySerious Posted February 27 Posted February 27 No way.... https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/27/business/elon-musk-faa-air-traffic-control-failing-spacex/index.htmlElon uses his position to lobby and steer to his business, but I thought it couldn’t be true!
Day Man Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Unfortunately, after being told to terminate two people yesterday my name appeared on a list to be terminated. Been a wild ride. getting terminated by the guy you bought your car from is crazy. that sucks dude, and i'm genuinely sorry you got caught up in this mess. in another life i did a lot of work with veteran resumes if you would like to PM me yours for review/feedback (feel free to remove your PII) Edited February 27 by Day Man 1 2
Lord Ratner Posted February 28 Posted February 28 39 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: Elon uses his position to lobby and steer to his business, but I thought it couldn’t be true! Is it the better system or not? I wish we had a competitive market for things like this, but we don't. He is uniquely good at monopolizing markets that were neglected. EVs, space lift, orbital Internet, etc.
Beaker16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said: Is it the better system or not? I wish we had a competitive market for things like this, but we don't. He is uniquely good at monopolizing markets that were neglected. EVs, space lift, orbital Internet, etc. It's one thing to put forth money into R&D and create a successful company that beats out competitors in the market, but its another thing to be in a huge position of power, call out your competitors and say "hey Gov, this guy...buy my shit." Yes, the Gov needs to hold contractor companies accountable. But to see a "winning" accountability metric for the Gov side the entire acquisition's process needs revamping. The legalese and red tape required leads to a high effort to low reward for the Gov, and the process continues. Getting even more philosophical, eliminating bloat, or improving process efficiency is inherently inefficient as the process exists in the first place. IMO it stems from having ambiguous or nonexistent end goals, saying "go figure it out" and things get out of control. I can plan a Joint rescue mission, with the inherent goal of IP reintegration, if given METT-TC and some contact numbers. I can't fix or improve (in an effective manner) a HAF directed training course by just being told "here's the 10 Teams and SharePoint links". It comes down to a productiveness vs efficiency vs effectiveness issue, and too many damn "priorities." 1
SurelySerious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Is it the better system or not? I wish we had a competitive market for things like this, but we don't. He is uniquely good at monopolizing markets that were neglected. EVs, space lift, orbital Internet, etc. And he’s using his influence over the Executive to ensure his monopoly and amass more. He doesn’t care about any political views or the voters, he cares about his business. 1
BashiChuni Posted February 28 Posted February 28 monopoly? on what? cars? superior tesla car orbital internet? superior product spacex? superior launch platform at a cost savings from other competitors. elon is the richest man in the world he doesn't need more money. the dude is driven to fix problems and his resume is evidence of that. https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/06/05/did-spacex-really-save-taxpayers-40-billion/ "General Hyten, [then] the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told me last year ... the fact that we have competition now on going to space -- just for the military -- has saved them $40 billion in launch costs." Now, $40 billion is a big number, and it's not entirely clear how Hyten came up with it. Still, SpaceX has been launching government satellites at significant discounts to the prices charged by space companies such as Boeing (BA 0.46%), Lockheed Martin (LMT 1.12%), and Northrop Grumman (NOC 1.12%) for about a decade." 3
uhhello Posted February 28 Posted February 28 47 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: monopoly? on what? cars? superior tesla car orbital internet? superior product spacex? superior launch platform at a cost savings from other competitors. elon is the richest man in the world he doesn't need more money. the dude is driven to fix problems and his resume is evidence of that. https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/06/05/did-spacex-really-save-taxpayers-40-billion/ "General Hyten, [then] the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told me last year ... the fact that we have competition now on going to space -- just for the military -- has saved them $40 billion in launch costs." Now, $40 billion is a big number, and it's not entirely clear how Hyten came up with it. Still, SpaceX has been launching government satellites at significant discounts to the prices charged by space companies such as Boeing (BA 0.46%), Lockheed Martin (LMT 1.12%), and Northrop Grumman (NOC 1.12%) for about a decade." Its not even close currently. Blue Orgin hasn't published its price point but so far they have put 1 test satellite into LEO Falcon 9: Approximately $2,720 per kg to Low Earth Orbit (LEO). Falcon Heavy: Around $1,500 per kg to LEO. Electron Rocket: Approximately $37,500 per kg to LEO Atlas V: Approximately $13,000 per kg to LEO. Delta IV Heavy: Around $14,000 per kg to LEO
SurelySerious Posted February 28 Posted February 28 monopoly? on what? cars? superior tesla car orbital internet? superior product spacex? superior launch platform at a cost savings from other competitors. elon is the richest man in the world he doesn't need more money. the dude is driven to fix problems and his resume is evidence of that. https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/06/05/did-spacex-really-save-taxpayers-40-billion/ "General Hyten, [then] the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told me last year ... the fact that we have competition now on going to space -- just for the military -- has saved them $40 billion in launch costs." Now, $40 billion is a big number, and it's not entirely clear how Hyten came up with it. Still, SpaceX has been launching government satellites at significant discounts to the prices charged by space companies such as Boeing (BA 0.46%), Lockheed Martin (LMT 1.12%), and Northrop Grumman (NOC 1.12%) for about a decade."Ah yes, just like Putin isn’t driven to remake the Soviet Union. Your awareness of the world is suspect, but he absolutely is driven to make monopolies (now by using his influence of the executive to shut the door for any competition and steer contracts).Edit: “Why Nations Fail” Chapter 6 regarding Venice: creative destruction creates new players who outgrow the old money, but then change the governmental rules with their newfound influence to box out any further new money ideas. Growth and innovation stagnate. 1 1
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