SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 a sign you're losing the intellectual argument is when you have nothing to offer but "well you're a putin agent" drivel it isn't adding anything to the conversation and very childish.That’s rich.
chase Posted March 2 Posted March 2 47 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: A good summary By a guy who lost his investments in Russia and now takes money from the Kremlin? That’s rich—even coming from you. 1
BashiChuni Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, chase said: By a guy who lost his investments in Russia and now takes money from the Kremlin? That’s rich—even coming from you. by a guy with 11 posts and no evidence of said claim? very rich. again your side throws insults with no historical facts, content, or evidence. might be a clue that you're being deceived. how about you address the points mr. sachs made? any rebuttals to his claims? or just insults? Edited March 2 by BashiChuni
HU&W Posted March 2 Posted March 2 On 3/1/2025 at 8:18 AM, 17D_guy said: So how about that Oval Office meeting? Possibly one of the most transparent demonstrations of high stakes diplomatic negotiation that’s ever been available to the public. It had the feel of a meeting that should have been behind closed doors. So why wasn’t it? We can assume that both sides were blundering fools who allowed their emotions to take over. Or, they knew exactly what they were doing. So, what would be the desired outcomes from such a public display? What were the realized outcomes. Putin certainly watched the interchange. He’s probably going to come away from it willing to allow Trump to be an impartial arbitrator. Z comes away staying true to his position, and not undermining the faith of his people. He fought valiantly for the Biden status quo, and lost. Which sends a clear message to anyone who benefits from the status quo (most of Europe) that they’re not getting any more free chicken from the US. Z gained incredible negotiating power with European leaders. He also gets access to some creative peace solutions if the rare earth minerals deal ever gets realized. Trump gets to stay true to his campaign promises, and further separate himself from Biden. He also gets to avoid direct provocation of large scale US conflict. Vance gets yet another opportunity, as Trump’s successor apparent, to demonstrate a hardline diplomatic posture, putting American outcomes first. So, they may all be fools. Or, we might find ourselves looking back on this event as an inflection point in the path to peace. 1 1
chase Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, BashiChuni said: by a guy with 11 posts and no evidence of said claim? very rich. again your side throws insults with no historical facts, content, or evidence. might be a clue that you're being deceived. Right into personally attacking me, huh? I never implied I’m not on your side, whatever that is. The guy is literally a talking head on Russian-paid state TV. 3 1
BashiChuni Posted March 2 Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, chase said: Right into personally attacking me, huh? I never implied I’m not on your side, whatever that is. The guy is literally a talking head on Russian-paid state TV. Standing by for ANY facts or discussion about the conflict and way forward…
disgruntledemployee Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 13 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: by a guy with 11 posts and no evidence of said claim? very rich. again your side throws insults with no historical facts, content, or evidence. might be a clue that you're being deceived. how about you address the points mr. sachs made? any rebuttals to his claims? or just insults? 2 2 1
BashiChuni Posted March 2 Posted March 2 You guys have nothing but an emotional argument. Emotional arguments don’t hold up to logical, reason based facts. Sad.
Lord Ratner Posted March 2 Posted March 2 19 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: You guys have nothing but an emotional argument. Emotional arguments don’t hold up to logical, reason based facts. Sad. Or, arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. You just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like you won the match. There are more interesting people to converse with here. Though you are occasionally amusing. 4 2
gearhog Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) Please keep us updated, @SurelySerious @Sua Sponte. What a predicament. On 2/27/2025 at 3:17 PM, Sua Sponte said: First, the DoD said to hold off responding. Second, federal employees don’t work for Elon. How about you send me five bullet of what you did last week so I can run it through AI and have it determine if you should be fired from your job. On 2/27/2025 at 2:54 PM, SurelySerious said: Bullshit. It’s just utter stupidity phishing to waste millions of people’s time. Like every bad manager in the AF that steals time for total nonsense. https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1896280128432623774 Edited March 2 by gearhog
BashiChuni Posted March 2 Posted March 2 40 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Or, arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. You just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like you won the match. There are more interesting people to converse with here. Though you are occasionally amusing. Again. You have nothing to refute just insults and emotions.
SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Please keep us updated, [mention=7998]SurelySerious[/mention] [mention=79687]Sua Sponte[/mention]. What a predicament. https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1896280128432623774Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business.
HeloDude Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business. How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian?
BashiChuni Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business. thoughts and prayers
SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian? I simply don’t care how long it would take, it’s still wasted man hours for no gain. Directed from someone (Musk) with no authority, to boot. Fraud, Waste, Abuse.
SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 thoughts and prayersCommissioned officer bro, OPM can’t fire me.
HeloDude Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: I simply don’t care how long it would take, it’s still wasted man hours for no gain. Directed from someone (Musk) with no authority, to boot. Fraud, Waste, Abuse. So it’s “busy work” but you can’t tell me how long you think it will or should take? And I’m pretty sure the SecDef just directed it, did he not?
SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 So it’s “busy work” but you can’t tell me how long you think it will or should take? And I’m pretty sure the SecDef just directed it, did he not?It is by definition busy work, regardless of the amount of time. Musk even said it himself in a tweet. Just because it only takes X amount of time doesn’t make it right. You want to participate in Elon’s loyalty test (and I must assume you’re a DoD civilian then, because that’s what Hegseth said), by all means. Join the Party.
HeloDude Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: It is by definition busy work, regardless of the amount of time. Musk even said it himself in a tweet. Just because it only takes X amount of time doesn’t make it right. You want to participate in Elon’s loyalty test (and I must assume you’re a DoD civilian then, because that’s what Hegseth said), by all means. Join the Party. Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? I already had to work with them once lol. To be fair, I supervised a few awesome government civilians. When it came to the others, many were average, and quite a few I would have loved to have had them quit. I have little doubt this task would take any of the awesome/average civilians more than 15 minutes. Again, SecDef is requiring it, so it’s most definitely now being required by the boss. Side note—the ones who were average at best were always the ones asking about time off awards and the “60 minute rule”.
SurelySerious Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? Guess I was confused why you were so into an OPM mandate. Have fun with that retirement, then.
Sua Sponte Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian? That depends. Do they work in a SCIF? Are they the UPC? Are they the SES in TRANSCOM? It’s also not a “pulse check” when they want it every Monday.
Sua Sponte Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? I already had to work with them once lol. To be fair, I supervised a few awesome government civilians. When it came to the others, many were average, and quite a few I would have loved to have had them quit. I have little doubt this task would take any of the awesome/average civilians more than 15 minutes. Again, SecDef is requiring it, so it’s most definitely now being required by the boss. Side note—the ones who were average at best were always the ones asking about time off awards and the “60 minute rule”. Most of the helicopters pilots I met while I was in the USAF, especially at Fairchild, were either retarded, deaf, or both. I did meet a few who weren't, but that was a rarity. Thanks for your subjective POV. Edited March 3 by Sua Sponte
Smokin Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I never worked for an exec, but I did receive taskers like this. Me saying "I don't work for the exec" and ignoring him would be stupid because clearly the exec was doing something on behalf of his boss, who was my boss's boss. I also find it more than a little funny that most of the people complaining about this have spent 100X more time complaining about it than just doing it. This is like listening to my kids complain for an hour about homework that only takes them 5 minutes once they stop fussing and just do it. This does not violate your oath of office and should not violate your morals, so stop whining, just do it, and move on with your life. 1
RASH Posted March 3 Posted March 3 State quals, or STFUSent from my iPad using Baseops Network mobile app
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