The Next President is...

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, Smokin said:

Sure could.  I honestly averaged about 20 min on my OPRs on writing the actual bullets, which was more difficult than this because there were far more than 5 and you had the standard character BS to deal with.  So, yes, absolutely.

Everyone in the executive branch works at the behest of the President.  At the end of the day, if his team wants to fire you, then a list of 5000 things you did that literally saved the world and was written by Shakespeare won't save you.  I know it's unemotional for me to say this, but I do say this as someone that was notified that my unit was shutting down and 90% of the unit would essentially be fired, so I do understand the emotions involved.  

If they basically randomly downsize, then what you write is irrelevant.  If they are really just doing a pulse check, then what you write is irrelevant.  If they are going to do layoffs based on performance, then I have little doubt that everyone on here is in the top 10% of government employees and you'll be good.

This is 100% spot on. It doesn't matter what people write, they're just going to fire you (right after they upload the data you sent them). Any federal employee's performance is irrelevant unless you're an "easy kill" by being on a performance improvement plan.

[17D_guy]

34 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

This is 100% spot on. It doesn't matter what people write, they're just going to fire you (right after they upload the data you sent them). Any federal employee's performance is irrelevant unless you're an "easy kill" by being on a performance improvement plan.

Or probationary, which has zero to do with performance or how long you've worked. But I guess all the civ's are poor performers, or that one guy one time did fraud for a long time, so it's worth it.

Also, VA just announced cutting 15% of the work force without any impact to care or services. Guess that's going to be just as successful as these tariffs.

[BFM this]

2 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Or probationary, which has zero to do with performance or how long you've worked. But I guess all the civ's are poor performers, or that one guy one time did fraud for a long time, so it's worth it.

Also, VA just announced cutting 15% of the work force without any impact to care or services. Guess that's going to be just as successful as these tariffs.

Given my limited experience with the VA, 50% of the VA workforce could be Thanos-snapped off the books and I would imagine the impact to care or services would not be measurably different.

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Also, VA just announced cutting 15% of the work force without any impact to care or services. Guess that's going to be just as successful as these tariffs.

Was VA care not adequate in 2019?

[Smokin]

5 hours ago, icohftb said:

So the president can fire anyone who didn't vote for him?

They have and do.  Trump fired every single Biden appointed US Attorney.  And before anyone gets upset and screams how terrible it is for King Trump to do that, Biden did the same thing four years ago.  And Trump fired Obama's on his first term.  And Obama did the same thing.

Trump's first term showed him, and anyone that was paying attention, that the executive branch needs to clean house when a new President takes office as career bureaucrats and people that disagree with his agenda will actively sabotage the agenda from within.  There's a reason the Constitution was amended to make the Vice President part of the Presidential ticket rather than the runner up.  Turns out that people put their own agenda ahead of that of the President.  Mass replacements typically haven't gotten very far down the food chain, but the principle is there and has been executed by both parties.

It sucks for the people that get fired.  I totally get that and feel bad for them.  But at the same time, the government was not designed to be an employment service and has grown so much that it is unrecognizable from our Federal government 70 years ago.  It needs to be cut.  Unfortunately, some good guys that are genuinely doing good work for America will get caught in the cross fire.  But the alternative is realistically to do nothing.  Wikipedia claims that the US has a higher percentage of the work force in the public sector than four Western European countries.  That's pretty crazy.

[icohftb]

8 hours ago, Smokin said:

They have and do.  Trump fired every single Biden appointed US Attorney.  And before anyone gets upset and screams how terrible it is for King Trump to do that, Biden did the same thing four years ago.  And Trump fired Obama's on his first term.  And Obama did the same thing.

Trump's first term showed him, and anyone that was paying attention, that the executive branch needs to clean house when a new President takes office as career bureaucrats and people that disagree with his agenda will actively sabotage the agenda from within.  There's a reason the Constitution was amended to make the Vice President part of the Presidential ticket rather than the runner up.  Turns out that people put their own agenda ahead of that of the President.  Mass replacements typically haven't gotten very far down the food chain, but the principle is there and has been executed by both parties.

It sucks for the people that get fired.  I totally get that and feel bad for them.  But at the same time, the government was not designed to be an employment service and has grown so much that it is unrecognizable from our Federal government 70 years ago.  It needs to be cut.  Unfortunately, some good guys that are genuinely doing good work for America will get caught in the cross fire.  But the alternative is realistically to do nothing.  Wikipedia claims that the US has a higher percentage of the work force in the public sector than four Western European countries.  That's pretty crazy.

You said previously the entire executive branch. You mean appointees?