disgruntledemployee Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 Trump says he ended weaponization of Fed Govt. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-the-weaponization-of-the-federal-government/ Now he says Biden pardons (which I didn't agree with) are void and now he will go after them. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-biden-pardons-now-113131037.html Isn't that, going after political enemies, the definition of a weaponized DOJ? Hypocrite. 1
Swizzle Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Preemptive pardons are a novelty. So is a shadow governor using an autopen. It'll all probably go to SCOTUS, and perhaps for good reason. 1
disgruntledemployee Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 8:54 AM, ClearedHot said: If you are basing your assessment on two months of the stock market, have not made hedges and actually made money off these events...then you are most certainly a sheeple. I'm asking how your/BODNers investments are doing (I'm not making an assessment) with the turmoil created by T2, dun dun da dunt. If you predicted the downturn and shorted everything, congrats. But I think most Trump voters expected him to make everything great and didn't short the market and when they checked their accts recently, went WTF.
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 17 Posted March 17 This is a pretty cool legal theory. Autopen signatures aren’t valid unless you can prove that the President had specific knowledge of the thing being signed, and maybe not even then. That makes a ton of sense in the case of fraudulent signatures that the President didn’t intend, assuming this is a thing that happens. But that’s only tenable if the standard is that voiding something requires proof of fraud, not a presumption of fraud. Otherwise, none of you are retired. Your retirement orders were auto penned and the President was very likely entirely unaware you even exist or that the order was signed. Careful what you wish for.
HeloDude Posted March 17 Posted March 17 27 minutes ago, Banzai said: I see we've moved from 'intentionally crashing the economy is good actually' to 'but what about your politics?' Classic distraction. By the way I'm an independent. The free market doesn't care about your feelings or mine - it responds to reality. Nations that deliberately sabotage their own economies get replaced by competitors who don't. That's not progressive or conservative - it's just history. The Dutch and British empires learned this lesson the hard way. But please, keep ignoring historical examples while you jerk off thinking about how you're owning "progressives." I'm sure China, India, and the EU will politely wait while we experiment with economic self-harm. Reminder you still haven’t engaged in the discussion at all. Dude, if you (not me) are going to bring up “regressive” tariffs/taxes/fees, then be willing to have the discussion…as in all of these existed before January 20th of this year. If not, you just have TDS (which we all knew anyway).
Blue Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Swizzle said: Preemptive pardons are a novelty. So is a shadow governor using an autopen. It'll all probably go to SCOTUS, and perhaps for good reason. Yeah, this. The question of using the autopen is just one of many threads to start pulling. The real questions I'd hope to get insight on would be the reality of Joe Biden's mental state throughout his presidency, who exactly was making decisions on his behalf, and the extent of those decisions. Edited March 17 by Blue 1
bfargin Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said: Trump says he ended weaponization of Fed Govt. ……… Isn't that, going after political enemies, the definition of a weaponized DOJ? Hypocrite. Mayorkas should rot in a federal hard-core pound-in-the-butt prison (in gen pop) with the murderers and rapist for what he did to our nation. That’s not weaponizing the DoJ, that’s being just and punishing him for his treason. 1 1
GrndPndr Posted March 17 Posted March 17 I believe the statute or code/law does not specify how a pardon may be signaled/codified by the President. Apparently, both Obama and Trump I used the auto-pen on a number of occasions, including the signing of Bills. So WTF - anything goes?
HeloDude Posted March 17 Posted March 17 47 minutes ago, Banzai said: It's actually impossible to argue in good faith with you. I don't know why you're saying I have TDS lol, give me any examples backing up your claim. Or is this just the point in the argument where someone would typically just call you a magat and then you'd feel really justified in your bad feewings? Economics for dummies: "Regressive" is a word to describe economic tax policy that impacts the working class more substantially than the upper class. Our tax structure is progressive now. Really caught up in semantics (about all the wrong things). You probably still call your fries freedom fries, don't you? You haven't engaged with a single point or discussion about real economic policy. You have essentially only brought up false dichotomies and examples that are not related. Finally, people like you that screech TDS as a defense are exactly the same as libtards who screech about pronouns or being racists - change my mind. Just a fundamental lack of ability to defend an intellectual position. I'm good bro. Stop coming onto me. Are you seriously saying we don’t have taxes/regulatory fees that poor people also pay? Here’s just one easy one for you: The gas tax. Unless you were for getting rid that before January 20th? And I’m a libertarian…I don’t care if bad policy is enacted by Trump or a Democrat, it’s still bad policy. You seem to only be exist against a policy if Trump is for it.
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 17 Posted March 17 26 minutes ago, GrndPndr said: I believe the statute or code/law does not specify how a pardon may be signaled/codified by the President. Apparently, both Obama and Trump I used the auto-pen on a number of occasions, including the signing of Bills. So WTF - anything goes? For anyone who actually cares about the topic itself, this is the legal analysis written during Bush 2 that has been the guiding principle: “The President need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 by directing a subordinate to affix the President’s signature to such a bill, for example by autopen.” I get that the argument is that Biden was too senile to possibly knowingly direct a subordinate to autopen on his behalf, but there are remedies to remove an unfit president and those weren’t taken. It’s a can of worms to say we get to go back and relitigate every law or executive order based on what we think the mental state of the president was at the time. I mean, I’m willing to declare Trump functionally illiterate, and incapable of understanding the documents put in front of him (I.e. not understanding the mechanics of tariffs), but he is the president. Unless he’s removed from office, that’s that.
bfargin Posted March 17 Posted March 17 If he’s using these tariffs to bully neighbors into doing the “right” thing, some targeted tariffs might not be a bad idea. If he’s using them to incentivize US companies to bring more industry and manufacturing home, targeted tariffs might not be a bad idea either, as long as he recognizes that prices will rise for consumers. If it’s a long term strategy to make the country stronger with full knowledge that’s it’s going to hurt middle and low income citizens in the short run, it may or may not be a great idea. We’ll know in 5+ years more fully the consequences. Personally I’d love to see more manufacturing return to the US. Last I checked there were only 2 companies that actually make nails and screws here in the US. There are only 2 or 3 aluminum smelters still here. 2 ship builders and they take years longer to make ships than many intl shipbuilders. I have no idea how many steel producers are still around, but I’d guess very few. I’m not positive this is the right move on Trumps part, but what we’ve been doing for the past 40+ years has gutted our industrial/manufacturing base. 2
disgruntledemployee Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 22 hours ago, bfargin said: Mayorkas should rot in a federal hard-core pound-in-the-butt prison (in gen pop) with the murderers and rapist for what he did to our nation. That’s not weaponizing the DoJ, that’s being just and punishing him for his treason. I could use your whole post and replace the name with D. Trump. Or a Biden. Don't pretent the rest are angels. The D. stands for dishonorable.
17D_guy Posted March 18 Posted March 18 So, the administration is ignoring judges orders now. Guess we all cool with that too since they're not orders we agree with?
uhhello Posted March 18 Posted March 18 17 minutes ago, 17D_guy said: So, the administration is ignoring judges orders now. Guess we all cool with that too since they're not orders we agree with? It's not as simple as you make it seem 1
BashiChuni Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 hours ago, 17D_guy said: So, the administration is ignoring judges orders now. Guess we all cool with that too since they're not orders we agree with? curious why you aren't happy getting rid of illegal alien gang members? bet you wouldn't want them in your neighborhood... 3 1
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 hours ago, BashiChuni said: curious why you aren't happy getting rid of illegal alien gang members? bet you wouldn't want them in your neighborhood... Who’s against deporting them? The debate here is between deporting them with or without due process.
HeloDude Posted March 19 Posted March 19 34 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said: Who’s against deporting them? The debate here is between deporting them with or without due process. Were the people deported in the US illegally?
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 19 Posted March 19 15 minutes ago, HeloDude said: Were the people deported in the US illegally? I don’t know and neither do you. That’s what due process is for.
HeloDude Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said: I don’t know and neither do you. That’s what due process is for. The Secretary of State said they were here illegally…do you believe he is wrong? Do you believe he is lying?
Sua Sponte Posted March 19 Posted March 19 14 minutes ago, HeloDude said: The Secretary of State said they were here illegally…do you believe he is wrong? Do you believe he is lying? How is someone considered legal or illegal, immigration-wise, if the someone isn't afforded due process to determine their status? You would agree that they weren't afforded due process, correct? https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 48 minutes ago, HeloDude said: The Secretary of State said they were here illegally…do you believe he is wrong? Do you believe he is lying? Our entire system of government is predicated on the idea that Marco Rubio’s personal credibility isn’t a legally binding construct. I suspect you know that. It seems perfectly plausible most of these guys were illegal shit bags. Cool. Stick them in front of a judge, prove it, send them on their way to whatever hell hole prison you like. There’s no reason to not do it right. Edit: Rather, there are reasons to not do it right. It’s just that none of them are good. Edited March 19 by BuddhaSixFour 1
HeloDude Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said: Our entire system of government is predicated on the idea that Marco Rubio’s personal credibility isn’t a legally binding construct. I suspect you know that. It seems perfectly plausible most of these guys were illegal shit bags. Cool. Stick them in front of a judge, prove it, send them on their way to whatever hell hole prison you like. There’s no reason to not do it right. So for the government to deport anyone known to be here illegally, they have to be given a trial where the government must prove to a judge (or jury) they’re here illegally? When Obama deported millions of illegals, were they all give their due in front of a judge?…if not, why was this allowed to occur? We all knew the left was all for making it super difficult to deport those here illegally, but they’ve now extended it to violent criminals. No wonder the left is against voter ID laws. Well, the good news is that it will be the political gift that keeps on giving.
BuddhaSixFour Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Well, here’s an explanation of the law that you’re pretending to know something about: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11357/IF11357.5.pdf It lays out the exactly when “expedited removal” applies. It doesn’t require a trial or hearing, but it does lay out under what conditions someone can get a hearing and on what grounds. It’s a good balance of expediency in obvious situations with a due process remedy to catch mistakes. Give it a read. It’s interesting stuff. It’ll serve you better than… whatever that little outburst was. 1
bfargin Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Thanks leftist douchebags for letting them in illegally by the millions (e.g. DNC-the puppet masters of braindead Biden, dems in congress, Mayorkas) If they can’t provide evidence of entering legally (stamped passport and declaration receipt) they should be sent home as soon as they are captured. No trial/hearing necessary since it’s guaranteed they entered illegally. Non citizens don’t have all the protections of the constitution. The gang member scum could have been dispatched with far cheaper with a 35cent 9mm round to guarantee they don’t murder or rape again. A plane ride was extremely generous. 1
M2 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Interesting, it appears Trump is giving up the SACEUR position after the US has filled it (STS) for 75 years... Trump Intends to abandon US command of NATO forces in Europe
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