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[waveshaper]

29 minutes ago, LookieRookie said:

The doubling down on nothing being classified is insane.

My guess is that the blow-by-blow info on this Operation was originally being transmitted to the SECDEF by the COCOM CC via a SCIF/Secure Network and was in fact appropriately marked/designated "Highly Classified/TS/SCI/etc): It sounds like the SEFDEF might have officially screwed the pooch.

[jrizzell]

My guess is that the blow-by-blow info on this Operation was originally being transmitted to the SECDEF by the COCOM CC via a SCIF/Secure Network and was in fact appropriately marked/designated "Highly Classified/TS/SCI/etc): It sounds like the SEFDEF might have officially screwed the pooch.

I guess this is what happens when you nominate an Army Guard Major to be SECDEF

They need to own the mistake and then move on.


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[disgruntledemployee]

This is what happens when you hire amateurs.  When Trump made these noms, our enemies cheered him on.  Pete, a talk show type with lots of baggage with women, there's room there for manipulation. Tulsa, a flip flop, there's room there.

When Mattis was nominated, our enemies shit their pants. The T2.0 cabinet, they laughed out loud.

[BashiChuni]

Tulsi is a fantastic pick. Looks like Pete stepped in it. 💩 

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

Right...

we get it..."lock her up". do it, doubt anyone here gives a shit (including me). would love to see the same disdain for the complete willful disregard of OPSEC here as you have for Hillary

American military lives are literally being further risked due to the sloppy, apathetic, and general DGAF attitude of this admin

[McJay Pilot]

18 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Simple question, do you believe Tulsi wrt her quote below:

 “I can attest to the fact that there were not classified or intelligence equities that were included in that chat group at any time.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna197954

So, now we get to play “is she really that dumb” or “was she toeing the party line”. Neither are great options. 😬

To be clear, not in any way a spear at you, just furthering discussion! 🍻

[Sua Sponte]

24 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

I guess this is what happens when you nominate an Army Guard Major to be SECDEF

They need to own the mistake and then move on.


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When his boss doesn’t admit to fucking up, don’t expect him to do either.

[lloyd christmas]

Seems to me there are two different questions to ask.  

First, is the use of Signal approved for this level of classified conversation between these specific people (minus the reporter)?  If it is approved, then that part of the story is now moot.  If it is not approved, these guys have a massive problem and should be punished to the full extent   

Second, how did a journalist get on the thread?  This was clearly maliciously done or was gross careless negligence.  Seems to me that this is the real issue.  

[DosXX]

Signal is not even approved for CUI, much less classified info. There's been issues reported on for years now about officials using signal for CUI. 

Pentagon tech boss used unauthorized app for official communications: watchdog

[HeloDude]

46 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

Seems to me there are two different questions to ask.  

First, is the use of Signal approved for this level of classified conversation between these specific people (minus the reporter)?  If it is approved, then that part of the story is now moot.  If it is not approved, these guys have a massive problem and should be punished to the full extent   

Second, how did a journalist get on the thread?  This was clearly maliciously done or was gross careless negligence.  Seems to me that this is the real issue.  

This 

[disgruntledemployee]

22 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Yes, that's what I want.  The assertion is these were war plans for strikes that have already happened.  If that's true there is no OPSEC issue with releasing them, and it would convince me to advocate for punishment.  "Trust me, it's very secret and they should resign" is insufficient from the same person who pushed the Russian collusion hoax.

That said, adding a reporter to your principal chat group is laughably stupid & incompetent.  If Waltz did it, regardless of whether secrets were discussed, he should be fired.

So now you got to see the texts.  What do you think Trump should do?  Hesgeth?

All of them are stupid for playing on Signal.  Waltz is the idiot that let a non-cleared person into the chat (blame it on a staffer, of course, weak dick asshole).  But Pete is the dumb ass putting most of the classified in the chat. 

Do they deserve to remain in office?

[disgruntledemployee]

2 hours ago, McJay Pilot said:

So, now we get to play “is she really that dumb” or “was she toeing the party line”. Neither are great options. 😬

To be clear, not in any way a spear at you, just furthering discussion! 🍻

All the American public do is go off the video and based on that and reading the Signal screen shots, she's playing stupid, thus if so facto, she is stupid. 

Reminds me of Tom Brady's press conference on Deflategate.  Duhhh, I just throw da football...

Edited Wednesday at 07:42 PM by disgruntledemployee
Brady

[StrikeOut312]

11 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Do they deserve to remain in office?

No. They should get fired or they should resign. A little accountability would be a huge breath of fresh air.

I keep trying to wrap my head around a reason why they used signal and included a reporter, and all I can come up with is occam’s razor—they’re doofuses. Most of us on here know better, and we’d all get canned if we did the same thing.

extra thought—is this some kind of misdirection? Lots of attention on this one huge SNAFU…what’s going on unnoticed?

Edited Wednesday at 07:47 PM by StrikeOut312
Extra thought

[ClearedHot]

2 hours ago, Day Man said:

we get it..."lock her up". do it, doubt anyone here gives a shit (including me). would love to see the same disdain for the complete willful disregard of OPSEC here as you have for Hillary

Do you even read what others write or just throw $hit at the wall?  I have not defended anything that has happened and if you scroll up or go back I CLEARLY said hold them accountable.

2 hours ago, Day Man said:

American military lives are literally being further risked due to the sloppy, apathetic, and general DGAF attitude of this admin

Do you think lives were at risk when Hillary put 33,000 emails including SAR/SAP material on a private server?

[Day Man]

13 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Do you even read what others write or just throw $hit at the wall?  I have not defended anything that has happened and if you scroll up or go back I CLEARLY said hold them accountable.

did i say you defended anything? you have 42 43 posts mentioning Hillary, and simply say "ungood" about this...the inconsistency is obvious

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Do you think lives were at risk when Hillary put 33,000 emails including SAR/SAP material on a private server?

dunno, she didn't send them to a reporter so I don't know what they say 🤷‍♂️ 

maybe DOGE can figure it out instead of cutting VA resources?

[SHFP]

How soon we selectively, based on our politics, forget about the Benghazi and Afghanistan fiascos.   And don’t get me started again about Vietnam.

 

[Banzai]

21 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Simple question, do you believe Tulsi wrt her quote below:

 “I can attest to the fact that there were not classified or intelligence equities that were included in that chat group at any time.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna197954

I think it’s safe to say I don’t believe that.

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said:

So now you got to see the texts.  What do you think Trump should do?  Hesgeth?

He should fire Pete, that text was stupid and his subordinates would be fired for sending it.  Easy kill.
Waltz should likely resign, although I'm still murky on details so am uncertain. 

[tac airlifter]

4 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Agreed. “Check out this cool shit” type of talk. Completely unnecessary and the players in that chat had zero need to know. 

Yea super immature.  Can't imagine anyone in that chat needed that info.  
 

Curious what happens.  Democrats will clearly demand firing, but they didn't when last SECDEF botched AFG and was literally AWOL for days so R's will focus on the hypocrisy.  So maybe those positions are beyond accountability but I hope Pete gets fired.  If he had owned it I might have a different opinion but he also lied when questioned by the press so credibility shot.

[herkbier]

Immature and amateur. 
 

Trump, Harris, Biden, Clinton.. our “choices” for the last couple election cycles have been awful. We live in the world of Southpark, a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich 

[contraildash]

https://imgur.com/a/breaking-below-is-entire-transcript-of-messages-from-signal-group-chat-just-released-by-jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-hkD7Cdm

The message where SECDEF is posting times/assets/ect is cut off. Note the squared bottom of the text block and lack of a time stamp. There was more to that message that was not posted in the link above.

Just pointing that out.

Update: saw on another platform, the cut off part says:



LoL

[SurelySerious]

Immature and amateur. 
 
Trump, Harris, Biden, Clinton.. our “choices” for the last couple election cycles have been awful. We live in the world of Southpark, a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich 

[hindsight2020]

Of course, always with the punching down threats to the little guy saying the quiet part out loud. *yawn* It also doesn't surprise me we got the memo last week to usaf_All reminding us all serfs of article 88, 92 and 133, 134. Like clockwork. No better way to boost cohesion than threaten me with the gag order, already implicit to this all-volunteer so-called service. 

Wait until I get 7305 points. Substack and youtube here I come.  🤣

How the heck does Gabbard get to command a battallion while appointed to such a definitionally partisan appointment? In light of such glaring violation of all manners of opsec, this is rules for thee not for me run amok.

Edited Thursday at 01:20 AM by hindsight2020

[icohftb]

8 hours ago, waveshaper said:

My guess is that the blow-by-blow info on this Operation was originally being transmitted to the SECDEF by the COCOM CC via a SCIF/Secure Network and was in fact appropriately marked/designated "Highly Classified/TS/SCI/etc): It sounds like the SEFDEF might have officially screwed the pooch.

I wonder - was he in a secure facility when receiving and relaying the updates thru his phone?

[Sua Sponte]

5 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Yea super immature.  Can't imagine anyone in that chat needed that info.  
 

Curious what happens.  Democrats will clearly demand firing, but they didn't when last SECDEF botched AFG and was literally AWOL for days so R's will focus on the hypocrisy.  So maybe those positions are beyond accountability but I hope Pete gets fired.  If he had owned it I might have a different opinion but he also lied when questioned by the press so credibility shot.

Absolutely nothing will happen.