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[Negatory]

21 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

I think one of the most persistent tropes that operates in our discourse is that we actually have a truly "free" market. Nothing could be further from the truth. So when I hear about all the failings of capitalism I just laugh. We have a very mixed economy. We have actual monopolies. Regulatory capture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture) is rampant. And there are all sorts of other factors in our economic system that work against free market principles. All that is to say that I dismiss arguments that point at what we currently have to say "look, capitalism doesn't work."

I never came close to saying that. My point is literally in line with what you’re saying: you can have meaningful regulation and limit the free market and have it be our version of “capitalism.” 
 

But this point does require many people to concede that government intervention and limitations on the free market do not automatically equal socialism, and I feel like that’s the more common trope on this forum.

[ViperMan]

32 minutes ago, Negatory said:

I never came close to saying that. My point is literally in line with what you’re saying: you can have meaningful regulation and limit the free market and have it be our version of “capitalism.” 
 

But this point does require many people to concede that government intervention and limitations on the free market do not automatically equal socialism, and I feel like that’s the more common trope on this forum.

Well you did reference "pure unbridled economic libertarianism" and the failings of the "free market system in America" so label me confused then.

[slackline]

I wasn’t trying to be superior. Just pointing out that socialism and paradise don’t equate.

Do better at what? I just asked you if they were socialist. And look to the Scandinavian countries Bernie likes to quote as being socialist or having social policy. They readily admit that they aren’t socialist and the policies of socialism they in acted in the past failed and they went back to a more free market economy.

I’m asking you very simple questions man. Sorry you can’t answer them and only point the finger back at me and claim I’m dumb for not seeing your unexplained points. Plus if you aren’t advocating for those programs, then why bring them up? Seriously. Answer some questions. Take them at face value. And don’t just assume I’m trying to be dumb. I’m not. Genuinely trying to understand why you are bringing this stuff up. And if you aren’t advocating for the stuff you are bringing up then what is your point. Having trouble following you.

When I said do better, I was referring to a perceived tendency of yours to infer things from what people say, not just me. Then you proceed to “educate” people on what you erroneously attributed to them.

What questions am I not answering? When I make a point to highlight yet again that I am not advocating for universal healthcare, and I also agreed with a lot of your points on why it wouldn’t work in our country, there is no longer really any valid questions coming from you that merit an answer. I don’t care what countries are socialist and what aren’t. Had nothing to do with the point I made. Go back and reread what I said (that’s also part of the “do better”. Read the words people say, not what you want it to say so you can then “educate” them again) because it’s pretty clear what I was saying.

So, once again, my bad if I’ve skipped any questions. Hit me again, Ike, and this time put some stank on it. I’ll answer your questions.

I brought those countries up because they have literally been mentioned in here a few times the last few days as examples of countries that do have systems closer to socialist programs with higher taxes and universal healthcare. The people living in said countries seem to be pretty dang happy with it, so I asked why there was a need to constantly belittle what is clearly working for, and making those people happy. It doesn’t mean that’s what I think we should be doing here.

Let me make it painfully clear one more time: my bottom line is that our current system sucks. We can do better. I encourage the discussion in here because there are smart people on this subject that have brought up smart points. There’s a couple of old cranks in here that just refuse change because that’s in their nature. I’m not engaging with those people. I’m engaging with the people that bring something to the table even if we’re “just tilting at windmills...” Who knows, maybe someone in this forum will one day be instrumental in the future policy making of this awesome country. This “tilting” might just make a difference. I know I’ve learned from both sides of the conversation.


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[Sim]

 

Here's a topic. 2A will go away under Biden.  Also he is under impression that children can be murdered under federal law. 🤣

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans.

[viper154]

48 minutes ago, Sim said:

 

Here's a topic. 2A will go away under Biden.  Also he is under impression that children can be murdered under federal law. 🤣

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans.

I think it’s a safe bet he will do his best to implement more anti gun regulation. How successful he is will depend on several factors. 
 

Team blue will have to take both the Senate and Congress. If they succeed at taking the Senate they are going to need all of team Blue to vote the party line. In some swing states and highly contested areas this might not be a smart play for a future reelection.  I would predict at least few members might not vote the party line depending on the bill. 
 

Next factor would be the Supreme Court. With a pending confirmation in the next week leaning the court to the right, I would predict the court would strike down any extreme anti 2A legislation. Caveat being, if team blue can pack the court. Biden/Harris ticket has refused/dodged  to answer if they will pack the court, but that combined with this confirmation being “shoved down their throats” I would assume it’s a safe bet that’s their plan. There is also the standing law (1930s? I forget the name of the top of my head) that heavily restricted automatic weapons, suppressors and explosives requiring the tax stamp and all the other BS.  That combined with the 1994 expired AR ban sets somewhat of a precedent. 
 

Ya, that statement is pretty misleading. No law requires shotguns to only hold 3 rounds. The act of bird hunting with a shotgun requires it to be plugged to only hold 3 rounds. (sts) There is no federal law prohibiting the amount of rounds a shotgun can hold for non hunting purposes. (At least that I’m aware of) Last I checked, shooting any person (not trying to cause life threatening harm to you or others) is illegal regardless of how many rounds your firearm has. 

[Sim]

Media is ignoring this. More people know about Guilliani and Borat then Bobulinski.  Just this simple fact shows that media is suppressing and playing defense for Corrupt Bidens - shows how much fake they are.  

 

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

[Sua Sponte]

Or maybe other media outlets cannot very the authenticity of the source and/or story? There’s probably reason why only Trump friendly Fox News and the NY Post is running stories about Biden approximately two weeks from the election.
 

I highly doubt it’s some massive suppression conspiracy, but I’m sure the Russians already found what to display in front of you, based on your metadata, so you can share on forums like this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-hunter-joe-biden-giuliani-red-flags-disinformation-2020-10

Edited October 22, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[slackline]

Media is ignoring this. More people know about Guilliani and Borat then Bobulinski.  Just this simple fact shows that media is suppressing and playing defense for Corrupt Bidens - shows how much fake they are.  
 
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

"how much fake they are".

Seriously, I hope that was a typo, or you're going to have trouble with your GRU supervisor.


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[Guardian]

When I said do better, I was referring to a perceived tendency of yours to infer things from what people say, not just me. Then you proceed to “educate” people on what you erroneously attributed to them.

What questions am I not answering? When I make a point to highlight yet again that I am not advocating for universal healthcare, and I also agreed with a lot of your points on why it wouldn’t work in our country, there is no longer really any valid questions coming from you that merit an answer. I don’t care what countries are socialist and what aren’t. Had nothing to do with the point I made. Go back and reread what I said (that’s also part of the “do better”. Read the words people say, not what you want it to say so you can then “educate” them again) because it’s pretty clear what I was saying.

So, once again, my bad if I’ve skipped any questions. Hit me again, Ike, and this time put some stank on it. I’ll answer your questions.

I brought those countries up because they have literally been mentioned in here a few times the last few days as examples of countries that do have systems closer to socialist programs with higher taxes and universal healthcare. The people living in said countries seem to be pretty dang happy with it, so I asked why there was a need to constantly belittle what is clearly working for, and making those people happy. It doesn’t mean that’s what I think we should be doing here.

Let me make it painfully clear one more time: my bottom line is that our current system sucks. We can do better. I encourage the discussion in here because there are smart people on this subject that have brought up smart points. There’s a couple of old cranks in here that just refuse change because that’s in their nature. I’m not engaging with those people. I’m engaging with the people that bring something to the table even if we’re “just tilting at windmills...” Who knows, maybe someone in this forum will one day be instrumental in the future policy making of this awesome country. This “tilting” might just make a difference. I know I’ve learned from both sides of the conversation.


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Haha. Not inferring anything. If anything I’m super literal and take your statements at face value in an effort to not infer anything. I very much dislike being taken out of context and something is then made up about my opinion.

Feel free to go back and review where I ask you questions. Or ask you why you say a particular statement and I question it and instead of clarifying, refuting, or debating you then make attacks on my character.

I agree with your statement that our current system can be better. And I think that future is further away from providing “free” health care to all. Just like the tax system. A flat tax makes much more sense for all. But people seem to think that if you are successful you should pay more. Not if you spend more you should pay more. Just a very victim mentality and socialist view point that hasn’t ever worked out in the worlds history that I’m aware of. I’m wrong all the time though.

Are the people you claim that refuse to change because they are old that way for a reason? Assuming they are old on an internet chat room might not be the best. Better yet challenge them and ask why they believe that way. You might find more historical and experiential insight into why they don’t think the change being proposed is good instead of writing them off. It more likely comes across as they don’t agree with you or don’t have new ideas you might agree with so they are discarded. If that’s not your opinion then good. As it is a prevalent opinion out there these days. Hence “okay boomer.”

[Guardian]

I think it’s a safe bet he will do his best to implement more anti gun regulation. How successful he is will depend on several factors. 

I think it’s funny how liberals like guns more than republicans. They just disagree who should have them. Liberals think only the government should. Republicans think the private citizens should have them as well

Now liberals want to defund the police force and the military. Interesting.

[Sim]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Or maybe other media outlets cannot very the authenticity of the source and/or story?

Like they did Steele Dossier? Or Trump taxes? Or Ukraine lies? Anonymous intelligence leaks? 

There is a receipt with his signature, pictures of said person, emails that are confirmed by recipient of those emails, statements by people working with Biden, FBI investigation into CP and money laundering, FBI disposition with laptop serial number, FBI/DOJ saying it's not a Russian disinformation campaign.  

Left - "cannot authenticate" 

 

[Sim]

44 minutes ago, slackline said:

"how much fake they are".

Seriously, I hope that was a typo, or you're going to have trouble with your GRU supervisor.

Learn to read between the lines. I'm calling CNN, ABC, NBC, NPR, MSNBC, WashPost, NYT and the rest of the media playing defensive omission of the news to protect their favorite party.  But that doesn't surprise me since most people still have no clue what spy-gate is about - the biggest scandate in last 50 years.    

[Negatory]

55 minutes ago, Guardian said:

A flat tax makes much more sense for all. But people seem to think that if you are successful you should pay more. Not if you spend more you should pay more. Just a very victim mentality and socialist view point that hasn’t ever worked out in the worlds history that I’m aware of. I’m wrong all the time though.

I assume you are referring to the socialist United States of America of 1936-1980. 🇺🇸 

[slackline]

Haha. Not inferring anything. If anything I’m super literal and take your statements at face value in an effort to not infer anything. I very much dislike being taken out of context and something is then made up about my opinion.

Feel free to go back and review where I ask you questions. Or ask you why you say a particular statement and I question it and instead of clarifying, refuting, or debating you then make attacks on my character.

I agree with your statement that our current system can be better. And I think that future is further away from providing “free” health care to all. Just like the tax system. A flat tax makes much more sense for all. But people seem to think that if you are successful you should pay more. Not if you spend more you should pay more. Just a very victim mentality and socialist view point that hasn’t ever worked out in the worlds history that I’m aware of. I’m wrong all the time though.

Are the people you claim that refuse to change because they are old that way for a reason? Assuming they are old on an internet chat room might not be the best. Better yet challenge them and ask why they believe that way. You might find more historical and experiential insight into why they don’t think the change being proposed is good instead of writing them off. It more likely comes across as they don’t agree with you or don’t have new ideas you might agree with so they are discarded. If that’s not your opinion then good. As it is a prevalent opinion out there these days. Hence “okay boomer.”

Don't have tons of time, but your idea of a personal attack is seemingly very broad...

I say they're old because I know they're already retired. I'm almost there, but they went years ago, so at least older than me, and I'm older than a lot. I stand by my statement.


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[Sua Sponte]

33 minutes ago, Sim said:

Like they did Steele Dossier? Or Trump taxes? Or Ukraine lies? Anonymous intelligence leaks? 

There is a receipt with his signature, pictures of said person, emails that are confirmed by recipient of those emails, statements by people working with Biden, FBI investigation into CP and money laundering, FBI disposition with laptop serial number, FBI/DOJ saying it's not a Russian disinformation campaign.  

Left - "cannot authenticate" 

 

For one the FBI hasn’t said anything other than they “have nothing to add” to what the DNI said. They’re not going to comment on an ongoing investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-hunter-biden-laptop-russia/2020/10/20/3478408a-133d-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html

“The Washington Post has been unable to verify the authenticity of any of the emails published by the New York Post, and the Biden campaign has disputed the New York Post’s claims about what the emails show.”

 

[Sim]

24 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

“The Washington Post has been unable to verify the authenticity of any of the emails published by the New York Post, and the Biden campaign has disputed the New York Post’s claims about what the emails show.”

 

"1) FBI & DOJ concur w/ Ratcliffe that Hunter Biden's laptop & the emails in question weren't part of a Russian disinformation campaign," Fox News producer Sean Langille tweeted Tuesday evening. "2) The FBI DOES have possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question." He said it was first reported by Fox News's Justice Department producer Jake Gibson.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-and-doj-do-not-believe-hunter-biden-laptop-part-of-russian-disinformation-campaign

 

Oh look! More releases. 

Money laundering! 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laptop-hunter-biden-linked-fbi-money-laundering-probe

Many democrats involved! 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts

Edited October 22, 2020 by Sim

[Sua Sponte]

You respond by citing a tweet from the Fox News Producer and a known Conservative bias magazine/website.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-examiner

I guess the DNI doesn’t speak for the entire intelligence community.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

Edited October 22, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[Sim]

Remember folks, only liberal media is authoritative source and only they can report it.

[slackline]

Remember folks, only liberal media is authoritative source and only they can report it.

Dude, Flea, KA, Guardian and many others have about a thousand times more credibility than you.

Maybe you're legit, my apologies if you are, but you scream "troll" from the rooftop...


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[Sua Sponte]

19 minutes ago, Sim said:

Remember folks, only liberal media is authoritative source and only they can report it.

Uh, NPR is centered bias, especially when compared MSNBC/CNN. Just because you don’t like what they said doesn’t mean your opinion, or theirs, is codified as fact.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-media-bias

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

Remember folks, only liberal media is authoritative source and only they can report it.

Is it harder for you on here because there's no "Share" button like on Facebook/Twitter for your echo chamber bullshit to spread?

Story isn't even on https://www.drudgereport.com/ for coverage right now.

 

 

[Sim]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Uh, NPR is centered bias, especially when compared MSNBC/CNN

President Ronald Reagan once observed: “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”

 

https://www.journalism.org/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/pj_2020-01-24_media-polarization_2-02/

 

[Sim]

10 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Story isn't even on https://www.drudgereport.com/ for coverage right now.

You probably don't know this...but drudgereport died long time ago. It's no longer a conservatives news portal.  Many sites have taken over such as  https://rantingly.com/  or https://bonginoreport.com/

[Sim]

1 hour ago, slackline said:

Maybe you're legit, my apologies if you are, but you scream "troll" from the rooftop...

You keep calling me a Russian GRU officer and I'm the "troll". You think I have zero credibility? You're so far stuck in your bubble that any source or link that I post is a russian disinformation.  Exit legacy media and view something else with different opinions. Example  https://www.youtube.com/c/RonPaulLibertyReport  or https://youtu.be/ZnzXJh6J1pc

 

[slackline]

You keep calling me a Russian GRU officer and I'm the "troll". You think I have zero credibility? You're so far stuck in your bubble that any source or link that I post is a russian disinformation.  Exit legacy media and view something else with different opinions. Example  https://www.youtube.com/c/RonPaulLibertyReport  or 

 

Ok, typos from time to time are totally understandable on these dumb phones with autocorrect, but your grammar is consistently off just enough to be a troll or a bot.

I speak 4 languages fluently. You have enough mistakes made by non-native speakers that it's questionable. Maybe you grew up in a non-english speaking house, if so, that's cool. I got no problem with it, just saying, you sound shady...

Who's our smart people with sniffing these trolls out? He literally only posts propaganda.


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