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[ryleypav]

20 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Precisely. There is effectively no comparison between the two countries, yet somehow we think the leadership is the reason for the disparities? 

 

That's like comparing NYC to Catalina island. 

I'd argue you could accurately compare it to Hawaii. New Zealand's leadership asked for a unified front. We didn't, nor do we have a unified front between the states. 

[Seadogs]

9 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Site your source you dumb motherer.

https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/2020-11-09-complaint-as-filed.pdf

 

You need to take an anger management class. You seem way too angry, especially after your guy "won".

[Guardian]

Yeah. Riots if dems lose. All is well no need for violence if they win. Weird way to live life.

[Guardian]

Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX) Tweeted:
Biden supporters, faced with a loss, geared up for riots. Businesses boarded up in fear.

Trump supporters, faced with a loss, geared up to fight in court.

This difference matters.

Media elites can stop finger wagging at folks using a legitimate process to make their case, ok?

[Negatory]

I mean, you can take that multiple ways.

It’s just as easy to say that Dems were scared of overly violent Trump supporters retaliating.

Or that Democrats as a population are just more easily scared or anxious when compared to Republicans.

Doesn’t mean much, IMO.

Edited November 10, 2020 by Negatory

[CharlieHotel47]

Site your source you dumb motherer.

The only picture that comes to mind when I read the above post...


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[Guardian]

I mean, you can take that multiple ways.
It’s just as easy to say that Dems were scared of overly violent Trump supporters retaliating.
Or that Democrats as a population are just more easily scared or anxious when compared to Republicans.
Doesn’t mean much, IMO.

Overly violent trump supporters? Where are they? And if they do exist, what violence have they caused? Is it anything compared to the leftist supported riots this year on any scale?

Sorry but I’m afraid that is a straw man my friend. One set up not on fact but emotion, assumptions, and fear. The fear the leftist have been peddling has come back to them if what you say is true about being afraid of violent trump supporters.

Are there even any violent trump supporters in numbers comparable to the leftists?

So something that doesn’t exist in any scale worth mentioning is made even scarier by using “Overly” in front of it.

[ryleypav]

3 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Overly violent trump supporters? Where are they? And if they do exist, what violence have they caused? Is it anything compared to the leftist supported riots this year on any scale?

Sorry but I’m afraid that is a straw man my friend. One set up not on fact but emotion, assumptions, and fear. The fear the leftist have been peddling has come back to them if what you say is true about being afraid of violent trump supporters.

Are there even any violent trump supporters in numbers comparable to the leftists?

So something that doesn’t exist in any scale worth mentioning is made even scarier by using “Overly” in front of it.
 

While not necessarily violent, but didn't we just have tons of Trump supporters protest at the polls with guns, banging on windows? Not exactly peaceful, nor overtly violent. 

[Guardian]

Good point. No one killed? No damage?No one hurt?

So not violent.

[kaputt]

42 minutes ago, ryleypav said:

While not necessarily violent, but didn't we just have tons of Trump supporters protest at the polls with guns, banging on windows? Not exactly peaceful, nor overtly violent. 

But still same

[ryleypav]

19 minutes ago, kaputt said:

But still same

I never once said they were the same. 

[Lecarpetron Dukemarriot]

1 hour ago, ryleypav said:

While not necessarily violent, but didn't we just have tons of Trump supporters protest at the polls with guns, banging on windows? Not exactly peaceful, nor overtly violent. 

Cite your sources motherfvucker! 😂

[Guardian]

I never once said they were the same. 

Didn’t claim you did.

[Clayton Bigsby]

7 hours ago, pcola said:

I’m genuinely curious to hear from a few pro-Biden/never-Trumpers just exactly what do you foresee that will improve in your life under a Biden presidency. Will your job security/satisfaction increase? Your wealth or family’s security? Your satisfaction with your identity as an American?  Curious to hear other perspectives.

For me at an immediate level, absolutely immeasurably yes on the first two.  I'm an ATC, federal employee.  Being reclassified as a political appointee and having my due process rights waived was not something I was happy about, because I'm not an appointee, and that was just within the last couple weeks.  Let's also not forget the two and a half months I went without a paycheck, over the holidays no less, for absolutely nothing.  It's not the first shutdown I've been through, it certainly won't be the last (guessing we have one coming in a month or so), but it was the longest and the most obscene.  And the anti-labor executive orders...don't think I even need to explain those, how detrimental they'd be.  I'm very active in our union, it's the proper avenue for us to improve and address the workplace.   I think we have a good mix where it's optional to be in the union in the first place, you only pay dues if you're in, and we can't strike so the legally-mandated communication is different.  I could go on if needed but I think I made my point.  Also I was very concerned for the future of my profession, our wage, and my leave time...lots of talk of big changes for those in a second term.  And our labor contract expires two years into it.

For the satisfaction of identity as an American...well, I'd like to be able to travel the world again, and it's somewhat abhorrent that we still can't go to Canada or any of Europe because of the President's erratic-at-best, or even lack of plan for COVID.  Our response and stats do all the talking here.  You can say what you want on political leanings or leverage, but the fact that we're shut out from our longest-standing, closest allies should alarm you.

And sadly I trust the career politician to create a functional, cohesive government/cabinet more than the current clown show that only favors loyalty, like it's the fucking Mob or something.

Edited November 10, 2020 by Clayton Bigsby

[FLEA]

7 minutes ago, Clayton Bigsby said:

For me at an immediate level, absolutely immeasurably yes on the first two.  I'm an ATC, federal employee.  Being reclassified as a political appointee and having my due process rights waived was not something I was happy about, because I'm not an appointee, and that was just within the last couple weeks.  Let's also not forget the two and a half months I went without a paycheck, over the holidays no less, for absolutely nothing.  It's not the first shutdown I've been through, it certainly won't be the last (guessing we have one coming in a month or so), but it was the longest and the most obscene.  And the anti-labor executive orders...don't think I even need to explain those, how detrimental they'd be.  I'm very active in our union, it's the proper avenue for us to improve and address the workplace.   I think we have a good mix where it's optional to be in the union in the first place, you only pay dues if you're in, and we can't strike so the legally-mandated communication is different.  I could go on if needed but I think I made my point.  Also I was very concerned for the future of my profession, our wage, and my leave time...lots of talk of big changes for those in a second term.  And our labor contract expires two years into it.

For the satisfaction of identity as an American...well, I'd like to be able to travel the world again, and it's somewhat abhorrent that we still can't go to Canada or any of Europe because of the President's erratic-at-best, or even lack of plan for COVID.  Our response and stats do all the talking here.  You can say what you want on political leanings or leverage, but the fact that we're shut out from our longest-standing, closest allies should alarm you.

And sadly I trust the career politician to create a functional, cohesive government/cabinet more than the current clown show that only favors loyalty, like it's the fucking Mob or something.

You're going to be really disappointed if you think Biden is going to get you to Europe. Dude, Germans can't even visit France right now. There's no way they will try to accommodate people outside the Shenzhen in the near future. I've lived and worked here since the start of this shenanigans. Its a fucking disaster right now. 

 

[Negatory]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Overly violent trump supporters? Where are they? And if they do exist, what violence have they caused? Is it anything compared to the leftist supported riots this year on any scale?

Sorry but I’m afraid that is a straw man my friend. One set up not on fact but emotion, assumptions, and fear. The fear the leftist have been peddling has come back to them if what you say is true about being afraid of violent trump supporters.

Are there even any violent trump supporters in numbers comparable to the leftists?

So something that doesn’t exist in any scale worth mentioning is made even scarier by using “Overly” in front of it.
 

You missed the point. Both sides arguments are strawmans, and neither is more valid. Be fair. How about this sort of activity?

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order

Here’s a GAO study showing that far right extremism/terrorism has caused more fatalities since 9/11 than Islam.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

"Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is Page 5 GAO-17-300 Countering Violent Extremism about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016 (see fig. 2). Details on the locations" (pg. 4)

Edited November 10, 2020 by Negatory

[Negatory]

Now it’s on you to cite a source that proves that leftist “terrorism” or acts are worse than that which I just provided.

[Negatory]

Ill give you one more source you can try to debunk (with a source):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7%3famp

[Guardian]

I’ll look into those. Specifically broadening your argument to cover 25 years isn’t a good thing. You dislike trump right? And antifa and BLM (the group not the ideal) are who I am talking about but the leftists in general. So see if you can find reference in America in the last 4 years to what we are talking about and I will keep it even since George Floyd.

Here are 25 deaths

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

And to broaden it out, because I’m sure you will complain about me scoping it,instead of just talking about death let’s talk about money.

How much money has “violent” rightist or republican riots or violence caused. Yes I said violent violence. But I put a bunch of words in between so I should be fine.

Leftist ideals caused 1-2 billion with a B for insurance companies alone. How about the average worker or citizen? How about the business owners? Right wingers owe them any money?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/09/16/riots-following-george-floyds-death-could-cost-up-to-2b/amp/

Again, I will re read what you wrote and look into your links. Thank you.

[Guardian]

You missed the point. Both sides arguments are strawmans, and neither is more valid. Be fair.

I would like you to explain how riots that happened and caused damage and death under any pretense is a straw man.

[Negatory]

Your source doesn’t say, out of those that died, whether they were killed by conservatives or liberals. Your source said only 2/9 of those killed at BLM protests were conservatives. This is another straw man that doesn’t say who’s doing the violence.

“Nine of the people killed during protests were demonstrators taking part in Black Lives Matter protests. Two were conservatives killed after pro-Trump “patriot rallies”. All but one were killed by fellow citizens.“

I mean, if you wanna keep staying straw man, I’ll just point to Kyle up in Kenosha bringing an illegal gun and killing some folks.

 

The point is that both sides are bad. I don’t think you’ll convince me that it’s one sided.

[Guardian]

You missed the point. Both sides arguments are strawmans, and neither is more valid. Be fair. How about this sort of activity?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order
Here’s a GAO study showing that far right extremism/terrorism has caused more fatalities since 9/11 than Islam.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
"Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is Page 5 GAO-17-300 Countering Violent Extremism about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016 (see fig. 2). Details on the locations" (pg. 4)

Can you point me to where in the 62 page document you are quoting?

Also I’m not sure of your first link. What are you trying to show. Threats of violence aren’t violence. Protests that were carried out peaceably or caused no death or destruction in itself compared to what we have seen since Mr Floyd died doesn’t even compare.

[bfargin]

Plus Negatory is comparing mainstream democrats to "right wing" extremists who aren't conservatives. Talk about total nonsense. There have been no conservative groups rioting and robbing!

 

[Guardian]

Your source doesn’t say, out of those that died, whether they were killed by conservatives or liberals. Your source said only 2/9 of those killed at BLM protests were conservatives. This is another straw man that doesn’t say who’s doing the violence.
“Nine of the people killed during protests were demonstrators taking part in Black Lives Matter protests. Two were conservatives killed after pro-Trump “patriot rallies”. All but one were killed by fellow citizens.“
I mean, if you wanna keep staying straw man, I’ll just point to Kyle up in Kenosha bringing an illegal gun and killing some folks.
 
The point is that both sides are bad. I don’t think you’ll convince me that it’s one sided.

I didn’t say those dying had to be conservatives? I’m saying death is death regardless of who is dying and the riots supported by leftist ideals caused it. Not a straw man.

Is that what you think I’m saying? To be valid it has to be violence carried out from one aide to the other? I’m not. Just said violence period dot.

There were no riots supported or carried out by the right that I’m aware of.

Fine bring him up. He illegally had a gun that he used to defend himself from some crazies that was within his right of self protection.

It’s not completely one sided. But the preponderance of violence surrounds leftist groups and ideals.

[FLEA]

33 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Now it’s on you to cite a source that proves that leftist “terrorism” or acts are worse than that which I just provided.

Since 9/11 probably not much. But the entire Rapoport 3rd wave terrorism idealogy was centered around left extremist. Weather Underground being the most well known US example.