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[slackline]

1 minute ago, Guardian said:

I’ll read it. But I’d like your word for it. And why what he says isn’t correct or wrong or why daily wire is wrong. Haven’t seen too much that they have said that doesn’t fact check true.

I made it easy for you.  Based on their score of 34.5/100, it's not worth taking the time to watch his videos.  I tried, but he has an awful lot of something you deride in his voice, emotion.  Couldn't finish it.  

[slackline]

Just now, Guardian said:

Didn’t see news guard tech say daily wire is bad anywhere.

But it was a pretty substantial document so I might have missed it.

It was really hard to miss...  Took up the entire right side of the screen.

All jokes aside, I miss easy stuff too from time to time.  Yesterday, I didn't know seadog's /s thing meant sarcasm...  We all miss stuff, no biggie, but I helped you out and pasted a pic of the rating...

[Guardian]

I’m not on a computer. I’m on a phone. That doesn’t appear on my phone. Which is why I stated I don’t see it.

So you will make emotional arguments but when someone is using emotion to make their arguments you won’t listen and critique? Just use another source to say they are bad thus ignore it all together? Not saying that’s good or bad. Just trying to unemotionally Ascertain your position.

[Guardian]

Wonder what CNN and MSNBC are rated on that site. If they have higher ratings then that tells me what I need to know about the site’s credibility and ability to be as objective as possible.

[ThreeHoler]

I’m 90% certain Guardian is the latest PYB. How long until a full blown meltdown? Does he still drive his Eclipse?


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[Guardian]

Dude. Eclipses are the heat!

[Guardian]

Nothing to see here!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/michigan-witness-former-state-senator-witnessed-early-morning-ballot-dump-61-boxes-tcf-center-video/

[Sua Sponte]

50 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

I’m 90% certain Guardian is the latest PYB. How long until a full blown meltdown? Does he still drive his Eclipse?


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Not possible. He hasn’t mentioned that his wife went to law school at Harvard within the first few posts.

[DosXX]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Anyone have any thoughts on Dominion?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHjQSiMHOUd/?igshid=1kdytsuqa6pxi

She said "I'm going to release the kraken" and "this is a new American Revolution". Almost beyond parody levels of cringe.

I wrote a post here recently on the 'millions of shifted votes' from Dominion and how to debunk it yourself. Believing this means you would even have to believe that DHS cyber security agency is corrupt at all levels as well. If you're past that point I don't think much can be said to change your mind but you can respond to what I posted earlier if you're open to discussing it seriously. 

[Guardian]

Yeah. That was cringe worthy! Regardless of which side your on. Made me laugh in a pitiful way. I missed your post. I wish I didn’t post ever 5 seconds because then I might be able to find it. If it’s not to much trouble I’m open to pm if you don’t want to repost. Very open to the discussion and thought exercise.

As for my wife going to Harvard.....what wife? No way son. No thanks.

[slackline]

I’m not on a computer. I’m on a phone. That doesn’t appear on my phone. Which is why I stated I don’t see it.

So you will make emotional arguments but when someone is using emotion to make their arguments you won’t listen and critique? Just use another source to say they are bad thus ignore it all together? Not saying that’s good or bad. Just trying to unemotionally Ascertain your position.

I was simply commenting on the fact that you constantly rail on and on about emotion being left out, so I found it odd you'd share something from someone who was so clearly emotional.

I'd love for you to go back and point to my emotional arguments. Please. And you talk about using other sources to discredit things like it's bad... I'm taking a page out of Trump's playbook. That's where he lives. Zero facts, smear campaigns and attempts to discredit others that don't agree with him. At least every source I've used comes from reputable, highly informed people instead of consiracy quacks. Then when you don't like it, you say it's straight out of the communist playbook. Tell me that's not using emotional, baseless arguments...


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[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

I missed your post. I wish I didn’t post ever 5 seconds ...

We do too bud, we do too.

[Guardian]

We do too bud, we do too.

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[Sim]

 

[Sim]

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In 2018 alone "voters in South Carolina [were] reporting machines that switched their votes after they'd inputted them, scanners [were] rejecting paper ballots in Missouri, and busted machines [were] causing long lines in Indiana."14 In addition, researchers recently uncovered previously undisclosed vulnerabilities in "nearly three dozen backend election systems in 10 states."15 And, just this year, after the Democratic candidate's electronic tally showed he received an improbable 164 votes out of 55,000 cast in a Pennsylvania state judicial election in 2019, the county's Republican Chairwoman said, " [ n ]othing went right on Election Day. Everything went wrong. That's a problem."16 These problems threaten the integrity of our elections and demonstrate the importance of election systems that are strong, durable, and not vulnerable to attack.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/H.I.G. McCarthy, & Staple Street letters.pdf

Signed,

Elizabeth Warren

United States Senator

Ron Wyden 

United States Senator 

Amy Klobachar

United States Senator

 

And then we have; 

“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history." - DHS  🤣

[slackline]

 

Parading another YouTube warrior who is clearly qualified by his owning of a mic, a camera and a YT account. No wonder you guys are such ardent defenders of everything Trump does. If that is the bar you've set, then yeah, a conspiracy theory doesn't seem so crazy.

You have let Trump and all of these other completely unqualified people lead you down a primrose path... It's just not true.

It actually hurts to see so many highly educated people buying everything coming out from all these YT experts and anyone with a mic and a camera. They're clearly not doing this stuff to drive subscribers and views on their own channels, therefore making more money...

What would be more entertaining and drive views? A conspiracy theory with drama saying the election was stolen, or the more likely eventuality that the election played out almost exactly how it was predicted?

Early lead for Trump because he downplayed the Rona and pushed for in person voting, followed by massive waves of mail-in ballots leading to a flip of that lead...?


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[slackline]

In 2018 alone "voters in South Carolina [were] reporting machines that switched their votes after they'd inputted them, scanners [were] rejecting paper ballots in Missouri, and busted machines [were] causing long lines in Indiana."14 In addition, researchers recently uncovered previously undisclosed vulnerabilities in "nearly three dozen backend election systems in 10 states."15 And, just this year, after the Democratic candidate's electronic tally showed he received an improbable 164 votes out of 55,000 cast in a Pennsylvania state judicial election in 2019, the county's Republican Chairwoman said, " [ n ]othing went right on Election Day. Everything went wrong. That's a problem."16 These problems threaten the integrity of our elections and demonstrate the importance of election systems that are strong, durable, and not vulnerable to attack.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/H.I.G. McCarthy, & Staple Street letters.pdf

Neat. You have anything saying those issues weren't addressed?

Why would you believe a bunch of YouTubers, but not Trump appointed DHS people? Seems odd his own people would get in on the conspiracy to throw out their money ticket, don't you think? That just doesn't check...


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[Sim]

22 minutes ago, slackline said:

Why would you believe a bunch of YouTubers,

You called me Russian a Troll from GRU. So it's obviously you're delusional.  Nothing will be good enough for you. 

For the rest that isn't suffering TDS - A "youtuber" is a Trump legal team presenting their case and evidence.  An extended discussion on a medium (youtube) is hell of a lot better than 15 seconds bites on legacy media (CNN/FOX/etc).  

[brabus]

[Negatory]

Here’s the truth. I don’t want to watch an hour long video on something when it’s not something that has been shown to be very likely a factor. Give me something that’s easier to digest, or something that points to a need to watch this.

I 100% believe there was election fraud. There are probably many cases of it. But there are cases of election fraud every year on both sides. Right now, I believe that the order of magnitude of the fraud is the same as it always is - so small that it doesn’t matter.

Put the numbers in context, at least. Don’t just say there’s examples of fraud - I know there will be on both sides. One of the examples that really falls on deaf ears is when someone claims that there are dozens of examples of election fraud in a state... and then it’s literally 25 single people who registered incorrectly. It comes across clickbaity, probably wouldn’t ever come close to affecting anything, and makes me less likely to care the next time.

When I hear that there is provable fraud that has X impact that actually could affect the election results, I will be interested. Otherwise, it’s noise or propaganda.

[TreeA10]

We need a voting system that is reliable enough that it can't be used to dispute the outcome.  If doubt or uncertainty enters the equation, either side will use it to justify outrage and call the election illegitimate.  Right now, there is enough evidence of error to muddy the waters.  Dead people HAVE voted.  Improper signatures HAVE been accepted.  Election rules regarding deadlines WERE changed.  Ballots HAVE been found all over the place.  Fix these and other issues and nobody gets to argue they won because the other side cheated.

In the mean time, there is a legal process that is on the books.  If Trump wants to work that process, let him.  If he is wrong, he loses.  If he is right, Biden loses.  Simple other than the fact I don't think either side will accept it.  The former will rant and rave and be his usual obnoxious self while that latter will return to his basement while his minions burn down more cities.  American loses either way.

[Homestar]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

 

Hey look! Another YouTube video posted by Sim that no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins. 

[17D_guy]

8 minutes ago, TreeA10 said:

We need a voting system that is reliable enough that it can't be used to dispute the outcome.  If doubt or uncertainty enters the equation, either side will use it to justify outrage and call the election illegitimate.  Right now, there is enough evidence of error to muddy the waters.  Dead people HAVE voted.  Improper signatures HAVE been accepted.  Election rules regarding deadlines WERE changed.  Ballots HAVE been found all over the place.  Fix these and other issues and nobody gets to argue they won because the other side cheated.

In the mean time, there is a legal process that is on the books.  If Trump wants to work that process, let him.  If he is wrong, he loses.  If he is right, Biden loses.  Simple other than the fact I don't think either side will accept it.  The former will rant and rave and be his usual obnoxious self while that latter will return to his basement while his minions burn down more cities.  American loses either way.

Here's a good overview of every Trump lawsuit, its current standing and some of the evidence - https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/
If you don't like the Time link, there's one on wiki as well, but time was more concise.

You're not going to get a perfect system for voting, because we're human.  There are always going to be issues.  Every reliable source has said that the election was very secure, and there were minor issues...just like every year.  Does fraud happen, yes.  But it's not on an order of magnitude that the Pres is claiming, and they're generally caught.

[brabus]

The discussion on dominion is pretty alarming, but for now it’s just talk. I’ll care when there’s actually evidence presented to back this talk. However, I do believe it should be looked at. 
 

I’m with Tree - how is it we have failed to tighten the system up to the point no side can use it as a reason to sow distrust in the voter ranks? This should be easy, and I do not understand why people are against some of the easy ways to accomplish this. 

[dream big]

Whatever the outcome, Trump will go peacefully, but he isn’t disappearing.  He is still a powerful voice in politics on the right with almost half the country who loves him (let us not kid ourselves in thinking this election was not extremely close.) Two outcomes if Biden does indeed win:

1. Rumor has it Trump starts his own news company to rival Fox News. If successful, he will make the Democrat’s lives and jobs a living hell.  They’ll miss when he was President and could be somewhat restrained.  Now..precedent was that you don’t bash your successor but thanks to Bush Obama and Clinton all railing against Trump for four years, I’d say that Trump couldn’t care less about that precedent.  
 

2. Trump runs in 2024, 100% legal.  Who knows, he might win.  Joe Biden can’t put a sentence together and Kamala received less than 4% of the vote in her primary. Kamala herself will inspire a red wave in 2022 and 2024..she is just not likable and her policies are pretty unpopular as indicated by the other elections we just had.  This outcome would be entertaining if only to see the utter meltdown on the left.  I think many of them are also delusional in thinking Biden will actually be the President if he wins and don’t see the giant elephant in the room that are Biden’s faculties and mental health.  I think his eventual ousting under the 25th amendment will upset a lot of moderate democrats...heck I don’t even think Biden sees the snake in the room.
 

Final point, I think the left will miss Trump as President.  He was their scapegoat, their punching bag, what will they do now? One thing is for sure, the polling industry is dead.