The Next President is...

[Guardian]

No idea but a 2 second google search before you attribute quotes to folks is pretty simple.  Not pro harris in any way.  

I didn’t quote her.

[uhhello]

3 hours ago, Guardian said:

I didn’t quote her.

Royal you

[uhhello]

3 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Oh, hell no.

"Very fine people on both sides" never existed in reality, yet it became a weapon for four years.  Same for "I can see Russia from my front porch."

So, she said it.  True or not.

And she did raise money to bail out rioters.  Actions being even louder than non-existent words.

Except she didn't say it.  

[brickhistory]

 

52 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Except she didn't say it.  

Royal she.

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, brickhistory said:

 

Royal she.

Touche 🙂

[M2]

15 hours ago, uhhello said:

Except she didn't say it.  

Not quite grasping the point here, are you?

[uhhello]

43 minutes ago, M2 said:

Not quite grasping the point here, are you?

Please enlighten me on the point of of someone attributing a quote to someone who didn't say it.  I thought it was pretty simple.  

[Lawman]

Please enlighten me on the point of of someone attributing a quote to someone who didn't say it.  I thought it was pretty simple.  

For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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[Sua Sponte]

59 minutes ago, Lawman said:

For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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So, what has happened to presidents since online media has been a thing? Copy.

[Swamp Yankee]

On 4/4/2021 at 1:44 PM, Lawman said:

For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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You could substitute "8" for "4" as well as "Obama" for "Trump" and the statement would be equally accurate.  Both the right mainstream media and left mainstream media do it and we're all worse off as a result.  

Edited April 5, 2021 by Swamp Yankee

[VMFA187]

17 hours ago, Swamp Yankee said:

You could substitute "8" for "4" as well as "Obama" for "Trump" and the statement would be equally accurate.  Both the right mainstream media and left mainstream media do it and we're all worse off as a result.  

If you think the treatment of President Trump and President Obama by the press were similar you are completely delusional. 

[ClearedHot]

On 4/5/2021 at 1:42 PM, Swamp Yankee said:

You could substitute "8" for "4" as well as "Obama" for "Trump" and the statement would be equally accurate.  Both the right mainstream media and left mainstream media do it and we're all worse off as a result.  

Complete and utter malarkey.

ONE mainstream network went after Obama, Foxnews, some of it unwarranted Political tripe, some of it valid.  Meanwhile ALL of the remaining mainstream networks supported Obama.

The mainstream anti-Trump anti-GOP theme continues.   Look no further than the Ga Voter law controversy.  The WASHPO gives Biden four Pinocchios but the rest of the press pushes on as if it is absolute fact, furthering the cancel culture march.  To be clear, the law ADDED early voting days, still allows food and water in lines, just without party branding, and is less restrictive than current laws in New York State.  Even with those facts CNN and MSNBC run speeches with Chuck Schumer screaming about racism and telling corporations to boycott Georgia.  Meanwhile google and Delta airlines sign partnership deals with that great human rights advocate...CHINA, and the mainstream press says NOTHING.

Another wonderful example...the 60 minutes hit piece on DeSantis Sunday night.  60 minutes used to be a bastion of investigative reporting...finding real corruption, now they purposely edit to invent a pay for play controversy.  The FACTS are 180 out from what 60 minutes says.  It was a democrat that made the decision to use Publix.  While the closest Publix to some of the areas was indeed 30 minutes away...there were two state vaccination sites ONE mile away.  Shame on 60 minutes and shame on you for a complete lack of intellectual honesty.

If both it happens to both sides why hasn't New York based 60 Minutes dedicated even one second of air time to the Cuomo controversy?  Falsified nursing home deaths, Toxic/sexist work environment with eight accusers, sending state representatives to his mother's house and his brothers house to test them, using state workers to edit and work on his personal book....nothing to see here right?  Not a fucking word by 60 minutes.

And why haven't the gun hating networks like MSNBC and CNN said a word about Hunter and his gun.  They support a federal background check if I want to give my 13 year old son a .22 that has been in the family for 100 years but Hunter can lie on his background check (a FELONY), acquire the gun, then toss it in the trash and the Secret Service cleans it up, no charges...all without the press saying a word.

The mainstream press is absolutely complicit with the DNC.  Look at the softball interview with Hunter now that he is releasing a book.  "Well the laptop may be mine, I don't know."  How about you do some real journalism and read the emails to him and get him to deny on camera.  All the while the mainstream network and the tech oligarchs crushed the story during the election...and now we know it was TRUE!

The mainstream media is dead in this country and  I am happy to acknowledge that FoxNews is in lock step with the GOP but EVERY other mainstream network is a political arm of the DNC.

 

 

[brickhistory]

But...but...the mean tweets...they had to be stopped...

[TreeA10]

A great example of media partisanship is this MLB debacle.  Since the media LIED about the new Georgia law and Biden LIED about the new Georgia law, MLB (whose commissioner has a membership at Augusta) are moving the All Star game from 51% minority Atlanta to 76% white Denver which happens to be in a state that REQUIRES voter ID and all of this is costing the city of Atlanta a cool $100 million dollars. Absolutely stupid woke morons.

[Swamp Yankee]

On 4/6/2021 at 9:29 AM, ClearedHot said:

Complete and utter malarkey.

ONE mainstream network went after Obama, Foxnews, some of it unwarranted Political tripe, some of it valid.  Meanwhile ALL of the remaining mainstream networks supported Obama.

The mainstream anti-Trump anti-GOP theme continues.   Look no further than the Ga Voter law controversy.  The WASHPO gives Biden four Pinocchios but the rest of the press pushes on as if it is absolute fact, furthering the cancel culture march.  To be clear, the law ADDED early voting days, still allows food and water in lines, just without party branding, and is less restrictive than current laws in New York State.  Even with those facts CNN and MSNBC run speeches with Chuck Schumer screaming about racism and telling corporations to boycott Georgia.  Meanwhile google and Delta airlines sign partnership deals with that great human rights advocate...CHINA, and the mainstream press says NOTHING.

Another wonderful example...the 60 minutes hit piece on DeSantis Sunday night.  60 minutes used to be a bastion of investigative reporting...finding real corruption, now they purposely edit to invent a pay for play controversy.  The FACTS are 180 out from what 60 minutes says.  It was a democrat that made the decision to use Publix.  While the closest Publix to some of the areas was indeed 30 minutes away...there were two state vaccination sites ONE mile away.  Shame on 60 minutes and shame on you for a complete lack of intellectual honesty.

If both it happens to both sides why hasn't New York based 60 Minutes dedicated even one second of air time to the Cuomo controversy?  Falsified nursing home deaths, Toxic/sexist work environment with eight accusers, sending state representatives to his mother's house and his brothers house to test them, using state workers to edit and work on his personal book....nothing to see here right?  Not a ing word by 60 minutes.

And why haven't the gun hating networks like MSNBC and CNN said a word about Hunter and his gun.  They support a federal background check if I want to give my 13 year old son a .22 that has been in the family for 100 years but Hunter can lie on his background check (a FELONY), acquire the gun, then toss it in the trash and the Secret Service cleans it up, no charges...all without the press saying a word.

The mainstream press is absolutely complicit with the DNC.  Look at the softball interview with Hunter now that he is releasing a book.  "Well the laptop may be mine, I don't know."  How about you do some real journalism and read the emails to him and get him to deny on camera.  All the while the mainstream network and the tech oligarchs crushed the story during the election...and now we know it was TRUE!

The mainstream media is dead in this country and  I am happy to acknowledge that FoxNews is in lock step with the GOP but EVERY other mainstream network is a political arm of the DNC.

 

 

If by malarkey you mean your post, then we’re in agreement.  Right wing talk radio, OAN, Newsmax, Blaze, Wash Times, Daily Standard, podcasts galore, and the younger-demographic fast-growing online media such as Quilette, etc. plenty of conservative outlets exist.  Whether they’re successful and gain viewership is up to them.  In fact , most have been successful, particularly in developing well-regarded pundits (Hannity, yes, but also Shapiro, Glenn Beck to name two) I don’t think you’re stupid, but clearly you are firmly stuck in a echo chamber with regard to rhetoric. The rub, of course, is the presumption that “your side” is always truthful and unbiased while the “other side”is not. You can debate point-by-point ad infinitum. However, a mature perspective is that currently both sides are highly biased.  Stop with the poor little conservative press shtick; it’s no longer valid.  The very-right-wing conservative pundits need to stop acting like oppressed little bitches. They have a platform, they’re using it, and have a strong voice to the public at large (some of which I wholeheartedly agree with). The “coastal elites” (whatever that now means) no longer solely control the narrative.  It’s not 1994 with Rush vs Everyone Else.  
In concept, I’m glad that the media has multiple voices.  The problem is that the moderates have been drowned out. Probably because that narrative is boring and doesn’t get folks fired up (exhibit A: this thread).  It’s either: the other side is communist, atheist transgenders OR the other side is uneducated, bible-thumping racists.  Really, that’s the best we can do?  You have to go 3000+ mi East to get a what may be the only relatively balanced perspective (BBC).  That’s pathetic. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Swamp Yankee

[Swamp Yankee]

6 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

If you think the treatment of President Trump and President Obama by the press were similar you are completely delusional. 

MSNBC, CNN etc. ripped Trump.  Fox, Rush etc ripped Obama.  What were you were saying, again?

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, Swamp Yankee said:

MSNBC, CNN etc. ripped Trump.  Fox, Rush etc ripped Obama.  What were you were saying, again?

 

6 hours ago, Swamp Yankee said:

If by bullshit you mean your post, then we’re in agreement.  Right wing talk radio, OAN, Newsmax, Blaze, Wash Times, Daily Standard, podcasts galore, and the younger-demographic fast-growing online media such as Quilette, etc. plenty of conservative outlets exist.  Whether they’re successful and gain viewership is up to them.  In fact , most have been successful, particularly in developing well-regarded pundits (Hannity, yes, but also Shapiro, Glenn Beck to name two) I don’t think you’re stupid, but clearly you are firmly stuck in a echo chamber with regard to rhetoric. The rub, of course, is the presumption that “your side” is always truthful and unbiased while the “other side”is not. You can debate point-by-point ad infinitum. However, a mature perspective is that currently both sides are highly biased.  Stop with the poor little conservative press shtick; it’s no longer valid.  The very-right-wing conservative pundits need to stop acting like oppressed little bitches. They have a platform, they’re using it, and have a strong voice to the public at large (some of which I wholeheartedly agree with). The “coastal elites” (whatever that now means) no longer solely control the narrative.  It’s not 1994 with Rush vs Everyone Else.  
In concept, I’m glad that the media has multiple voices.  The problem is that the moderates have been drowned out. Probably because that narrative is boring and doesn’t get folks fired up (exhibit A: this thread).  It’s either: the other side is communist, atheist transgenders OR the other side is uneducated, bible-thumping racists.  Really, that’s the best we can do?  You have to go 3000+ mi East to get a what may be the only relatively balanced perspective (BBC).  That’s pathetic. 

Removed to avoid another Karen report.  Trying to compare a couple of blogs and pod casts to mainstream media AND the tech oligarchs is the worst kind of argument.  The one time someone other than Fox started to get traction (NYPOST with the Hunter Laptop story that we now know to be TRUE), the tech oligarchs stepped in to not only silence the story, they freaking erased it.  That doesn't happen with the liberal message.

Go ahead and post your teary bullshit reply...but but but. 

[Pooter]

Boy that escalated quickly.. 

So let's go a step further with that New York post laptop story.  What happened when Twitter suspended the account and "erased" said story? Did the hunter Biden laptop narrative drop off the face of the earth never to be heard about again?

Of course not.

Every conservative pundit this side of Jupiter got a hold of it and had a giant conniption shit fit about it.  If anything The NYP story probably got more visibility. In the end conservatives all still found out about it and got super mad, while Democrats all ignored it...  

Weird, that sounds like exactly what happens any time a supposed scandal comes out in an election cycle.  The party on defense ignores/minimizes/suppresses the story, and the other party acts like it's the next watergate.

 

Do I like that Twitter tried to suppress the story? No.  Do I think it made any difference whatsoever? Also no.  You're calling people cry babies while simultaneously invoking the term "tech oligarchs" and acting like conservatives have zero power in the media sphere.  Let's just pump the brakes a bit there.  Some of these podcasts and blogs you dismissively refer to have viewership numbers that blow msnbc out of the water. 

 

[ClearedHot]

24 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Boy that escalated quickly.. 

So let's go a step further with that New York post laptop story.  What happened when Twitter suspended the account and "erased" said story? Did the hunter Biden laptop narrative drop off the face of the earth never to be heard about again?

Of course not.

Every conservative pundit this side of Jupiter got a hold of it and had a giant conniption shit fit about it.  If anything The NYP story probably got more visibility. In the end conservatives all still found out about it and got super mad, while Democrats all ignored it...  

Weird, that sounds like exactly what happens any time a supposed scandal comes out in an election cycle.  The party on defense ignores/minimizes/suppresses the story, and the other party acts like it's the next watergate.

 

Do I like that Twitter tried to suppress the story? No.  Do I think it made any difference whatsoever? Also no.  You're calling people cry babies while simultaneously invoking the term "tech oligarchs" and acting like conservatives have zero power in the media sphere.  Let's just pump the brakes a bit there.  Some of these podcasts and blogs you dismissively refer to have viewership numbers that blow msnbc out of the water. 

 

Every "conservative pundit"...big deal that insured the viewers of FoxNews and Rush heard the story.  Meanwhile the rest of the mainstream suppressed it and made sure it was a back story with no details.  I honestly don't know if this is as big as Watergate, but if the son of the next President of the United States is telling a foreign company owned and run by the Chinese government that he needs 10% for the big guy...holy shit we might want to look into it. 

I cannot disagree with you more on the Twitter suppressing the story not making a difference...I think it made a HUGE difference and when the results of the FBI investigation finally come out I think it will be very troublesome. 

I am not so out of touch as to think these blogs don't have power, but it wasn't the younger generation that swayed this election...it was the soccer mom's and the independents and they get their news from the mainstream media which 24/7 pushed a narrative of hate towards the Orange Man. 

I don't even like Trump...but as we are now reaping what the never-trumpers sowed...we are seeing real damage with both policy and action.

 

[Swamp Yankee]

You certainly have a way with words.  Please check your blood pressure. No one wants you to go into cardiac arrest. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, this is the most shocking example of “triggered” I have ever witnessed! 

To address what appears to be the underlying theme of your latest posts, I am not attempting to defend or support any particular media story. I’m simply pointing out the outdated perception of the liberal-only mainstream media. Said perception is used, mainly (but certainly not solely) by the right these days to perpetuate a David vs Goliath narrative that provides a misplaced sense of virtuous struggle against the “forces of darkness” on the other side of the political divide.  Doing so does not facilitate a better understanding or more informed perspective about what’s going on.  
 
With that, sir, I bid you adieu for today. I look forward to further spirited, but calmer, debate. 

[brickhistory]

26 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Good advice! Sand in the vagina, depending on the volume of sand and the depth of the intrusion, can be a serious medical condition.

If this happens to you or someone you love, please seek medical care from a primary care provider or an urgent care facility as soon as possible.

Fcukin' liberal...again expecting someone else to fix your problem instead of taking care of it yourself...

 

 

 

I keed...

[Swamp Yankee]

50 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Good advice! Sand in the ######, depending on the volume of sand and the depth of the intrusion, can be a serious medical condition.

If this happens to you or someone you love, please seek medical care from a primary care provider or an urgent care facility as soon as possible.

This is why the beach scene in Airplane! was unrealistic. 

[Homestar]

6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Removed to avoid another Karen report. 

 

[Homestar]

6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Removed to avoid another Karen report. 

Hey, I didn't write the forum rules.....nor am I a mod/admin......

Edited April 7, 2021 by Homestar

[kaputt]

To get a little bit back on track here, I finally decided to read the Georgia voter law from the actual government of Georgia website. 
 

Holy smokes the media, politicians, and even our sitting President have completely fabricated the outrage over this law. It’s frankly unbelievable the lies they’ve been able to spread on it. 
 

About the only thing I wasn’t a fan of was the increased powers of the state over what are usually county run election procedures. But beyond that, every single measure in there is perfectly reasonable to helping ensure legal voters are able to vote. 
 

The whole thing about the ID requirement is massively blown out of proportion. If someone doesn’t have an ID, they can can use last 4 of social, a utility bill, or several other items in order to validate themselves as a legal Georgia voter.
 

And yes, grandma can still get water at the polls, it just can’t be handed out by someone who also says “here’s some water, but why don’t you vote for _____ today”. 
 

The worst part is that our own President got up there and called it worse than Jim Crow and wasn’t even remotely checked on that absolutely ludicrous statement. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by kaputt