The Next President is...

[arg]

2 hours ago, uhhello said:

So brave!!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mark-milley-resignation-letter-lafayette-square/index.html

From the article

" I believe that you have made a concerted effort over time to politicize the United States military."

That quote belongs in the hypocrisy thread 

[Sim]

[Day Man]

"you searched my safe? after I specifically asked you not to?" - Michael Scott  - DJT

 

 

[dream big]

7 hours ago, uhhello said:

So brave!!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mark-milley-resignation-letter-lafayette-square/index.html

How he and Lloyd still have jobs after the global embarrassment that was our NEO of AFG is beyond me. If the 2024 Republican nominee doesn’t play reels of Afghans falling off the C-17, 24/7, they don’t deserve to be President. 

[ClearedHot]

 

 

[LiquidSky]

Ah yes the conspicuously timed post that thinks putting on a jacket is more relevant than the recent headlines:

Trump probed under Espionage Act, says warrant.

Warrant.

 Trump search warrant: FBI took top secret documents from Mar-a-Lago

 

P.S. If we're stooping low let's not forget this video.

Turns out human shit happens to everyone. 

 

[ClearedHot]

9 minutes ago, LiquidSky said:

Turns out human shit happens to everyone.

It just happens everyday with your guy...stairs, bikes, jackets, sunglasses...

[busdriver]

What are the odds this turns into a queep discussion about whether or not paperwork was done correctly after Trump declared a bunch of shit de-classified?

[LiquidSky]

1 hour ago, busdriver said:

What are the odds this turns into a queep discussion about whether or not paperwork was done correctly after Trump declared a bunch of shit de-classified?

Assuming that's the defense they go with the question will be, 

Does the prosecution have to prove it was still classified and no process to declassify it took place (and what is that process?) or does the defense have to prove it was declassified (and they're not retroactively saying that)?

No legal expert but assuming the whole innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Is "I totally declared that declassified" but there's no paperwork, notes, videos, audio, witnesses etc. reasonable enough doubt? Is that enough for someone to have doubt that it's legit vs retroactive CYA for law breaking. 

Also if that defense does hold up and doing so somehow does count what are the actual National Security implications? Is this material now accessible to the general public via FOIA request? It theoretically should be if unclasses. Remember TS is material that would "cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if made publicly available." 

 

Edit: Apparently may not matter.

"But whether the former president actually declassified the documents may not ultimately matter. The Espionage Act, for instance, does not distinguish between classified and declassified materials – unauthorized retention of any document relevant to the statute remains a crime. "

Edited August 12, 2022 by LiquidSky

[StoleIt]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

 

 

I'm more shocked that the Marine 1 crews wear bags. I'm pretty sure an ICBM could be inbound and I'd still have to change into blues to fly any Top 5 mission, let alone POTUS.

[tac airlifter]

what is happening to former President Trump is an obscenely inappropriate. The FBI & DOJ have lost credibility.  Thus far these investigations have amounted to hoax after hoax after hoax followed by blowing out of proportion small procedural issues.  Maybe this one has real meat (doubtful), maybe not, but at this juncture that aspect is irrelevant.

 None of us on this forum knows what was in those boxes or what storage agreements had been negotiated, but we do know there was a legal mechanism to address grievances before executing a high profile armed raid as performed. That operation was 100% designed to intimidate and humiliate a political opponent, and that is clear as day.  Indefensible.

[Lord Ratner]

It seems like democrats are hell-bent on getting Trump reelected.

 

This is either some serious 4D chess or they are literally too stupid to breathe. Imagine the insanity of making a lunatic with a martyr complex into a martyr.

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

what is happening to former President Trump is an obscenely inappropriate. The FBI & DOJ have lost credibility.  Thus far these investigations have amounted to hoax after hoax after hoax followed by blowing out of proportion small procedural issues.  Maybe this one has real meat (doubtful), maybe not, but at this juncture that aspect is irrelevant.

 None of us on this forum knows what was in those boxes or what storage agreements had been negotiated, but we do know there was a legal mechanism to address grievances before executing a high profile armed raid as performed. That operation was 100% designed to intimidate and humiliate a political opponent, and that is clear as day.  Indefensible.

what scenario are you imagining, that is in our country's interest, necessitates him having nuclear-related TS/SCI documents unsecured in his home?

[ClearedHot]

7 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

It seems like democrats are hell-bent on getting Trump reelected.

 

This is either some serious 4D chess or they are literally too stupid to breathe. Imagine the insanity of making a lunatic with a martyr complex into a martyr.

100% agree, if they would have just left it alone he was done, instead they made him a martyr and reinvigorated his base. 

[ClearedHot]

3 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

100% agree, if they would have just left it alone he was done, instead they made him a martyr and reinvigorated his base. 

 

[tac airlifter]

6 hours ago, Day Man said:

what scenario are you imagining, that is in our country's interest, necessitates him having nuclear-related TS/SCI documents unsecured in his home?

I think you missed the point of my post. Your above statement indicates outrage about something that has not been proven, only alleged anonymously. We’ve seen that one before.

my post was specific to the manner in which this raid was carried out.  

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

100% agree, if they would have just left it alone he was done, instead they made him a martyr and reinvigorated his base. 

I too encourage elite political leaders to be above the law and have the ability to commit ongoing crimes with no repercussions…for political convenience no less! 😑

Without speculating about any future charges or whatabouting anyone else’s past actions…having boxes of TS/SCI at your Florida golf club 18 months after leaving office seems bad. I would not want to be that guy.

[pawnman]

7 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

I too encourage elite political leaders to be above the law and have the ability to commit ongoing crimes with no repercussions…for political convenience no less! 😑

Without speculating about any future charges or whatabouting anyone else’s past actions…having boxes of TS/SCI at your Florida golf club 18 months after leaving office seems bad. I would not want to be that guy.

That's why the FBI raided Hillary Clinton's house to take her email servers...

 I agree that Trump should be held accountable. But my faith in the agencies of the DOJ to act impartially is at an all-time low.

[ClearedHot]

28 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

I too encourage elite political leaders to be above the law and have the ability to commit ongoing crimes with no repercussions…for political convenience no less! 😑

Without speculating about any future charges or whatabouting anyone else’s past actions…having boxes of TS/SCI at your Florida golf club 18 months after leaving office seems bad. I would not want to be that guy.

You don't want to whatabout anyone else but you will whatabout the stuff at Trump's house...come on brother, at least be fair.  I agree, having TS at your house is unsat and ALL should be held accountable.  Trust me, I don't want Trump to run again, I want him to go away, but shouldn't we at least see the evidence and context?  If he is guilty of a crime I have no issue with him being prosecuted but there are so many unknowns at this point.  Was the stuff declassified (properly), was it purposeful, was it Trump that said move those documents?  There are questions NOT excuses, shouldn't there at least be the appearance of a proper investigation/trial before you rush to the tree with a rope?

Given your statement, what should have happened to Hillary when they confirmed she had TS/SCI - SAP on her server...please share your opinion.  How was she not prosecuted?  This is why we are so divided, there is most certainly the appearance of a double standard of justice between the DNC and the GOP.  Honestly, don't you think they should at least look at the laptop and the implication that Biden is the "Big Guy?"  Was it right for FBI agents to lie to the FISA Court to get a warrant to surveil and American citizen? 

All of this would be a non-issue and Trump would be in time-out had Hillary been held to the same standard and we had an honest investigation of the laptop and how it connects through the Biden family, but all of that has been actively suppressed by the press, the intel apparatus and as some recent whistleblowers have pointed out, members of the FBI.  As an fierce patriot (which I know you  are), how does that not bother you at the core? 

18 minutes ago, pawnman said:

That's why the FBI raided Hillary Clinton's house to take her email servers...

 I agree that Trump should be held accountable. But my faith in the agencies of the DOJ to act impartially is at an all-time low.

Personally the most disappointing part of everything that has happened the past few years.  Growing up my family had a relationship with a very high ranking member of the FBI, had I not become a pilot I likely would have pursued that route.  I idolized the FBI agents we knew, one of whom went on to lead the HRT.  Unfortunately the past few years have led me to question what I thought was an organization beyond reproach.   When we found out Kevin Clinesmith lied to the FISA court (he did plead guilty to a felony count), I was hopeful it was a one-off rouge agent.  Then IG Horowitz released his report which showed the FBI lied to both both houses of Congress about the dossier...(the FBI lied to help impeach a President, how does that not anger everyone on this board?)  The "Insurance Policy" I hoped was again a rouge agent bloviating, but now with the Whistleblowers coming forward to say the FBI actively suppressed the Laptop, come on man...something is rotten in at least part of that agency.

 

 

[nsplayr]

This is the whataboutism! Hillary Hunter Nancy Pelosi laptops servers etc etc etc. Those are all conversations and grievances that can be had and aired, but not with me on the internet. Not worth the time spent for me, sorry. We can talk in person sometime but I imagine there are more fruitful things we could talk about instead 🍻

The situation at hand that I’m interested in is that in the last several days, the FBI executed a search warrant on Donald Trump’s house and walked away with TS/SCI and potentially even more sensitive stuff. The warrant indicated possible espionage concerns. He has not been the President for 18 months and has no reason to possess these documents.

Without further speculation…that seems bad! I support federal law enforcement agencies looking into that and condemn threats against FBI agents and federal judicial folks who are doing their jobs. I also find it really lame to say this will help Trump politically somehow, just like being impeached twice and losing the 2020 election helped him? Some real 8-D chess going on here…

To my Republican and conservative friends in general, I implore you to drop this guy and move on. Stop defending the indefensible by using a laundry list of every logical fallacy in the book. The GOP bench is stocked with other candidates who will enact policies you like and own the libs big time, I promise you.

[brabus]

Some people here have an extreme issue with reading comprehension. 

[Prosuper]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

You don't want to whatabout anyone else but you will whatabout the stuff at Trump's house...come on brother, at least be fair.  I agree, having TS at your house is unsat and ALL should be held accountable.  Trust me, I don't want Trump to run again, I want him to go away, but shouldn't we at least see the evidence and context?  If he is guilty of a crime I have no issue with him being prosecuted but there are so many unknowns at this point.  Was the stuff declassified (properly), was it purposeful, was it Trump that said move those documents?  There are questions NOT excuses, shouldn't there at least be the appearance of a proper investigation/trial before you rush to the tree with a rope?

Given your statement, what should have happened to Hillary when they confirmed she had TS/SCI - SAP on her server...please share your opinion.  How was she not prosecuted?  This is why we are so divided, there is most certainly the appearance of a double standard of justice between the DNC and the GOP.  Honestly, don't you think they should at least look at the laptop and the implication that Biden is the "Big Guy?"  Was it right for FBI agents to lie to the FISA Court to get a warrant to surveil and American citizen? 

All of this would be a non-issue and Trump would be in time-out had Hillary been held to the same standard and we had an honest investigation of the laptop and how it connects through the Biden family, but all of that has been actively suppressed by the press, the intel apparatus and as some recent whistleblowers have pointed out, members of the FBI.  As an fierce patriot (which I know you  are), how does that not bother you at the core? 

Personally the most disappointing part of everything that has happened the past few years.  Growing up my family had a relationship with a very high ranking member of the FBI, had I not become a pilot I likely would have pursued that route.  I idolized the FBI agents we knew, one of whom went on to lead the HRT.  Unfortunately the past few years have led me to question what I thought was an organization beyond reproach.   When we found out Kevin Clinesmith lied to the FISA court (he did plead guilty to a felony count), I was hopeful it was a one-off rouge agent.  Then IG Horowitz released his report which showed the FBI lied to both both houses of Congress about the dossier...(the FBI lied to help impeach a President, how does that not anger everyone on this board?)  The "Insurance Policy" I hoped was again a rouge agent bloviating, but now with the Whistleblowers coming forward to say the FBI actively suppressed the Laptop, come on man...something is rotten in at least part of that agency.

 

 

Something at least stinks on the 7th floor at FBI headquarters in DC.

 

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I too encourage elite political leaders to be above the law and have the ability to commit ongoing crimes with no repercussions…for political convenience no less! 😑

Without speculating about any future charges or whatabouting anyone else’s past actions…having boxes of TS/SCI at your Florida golf club 18 months after leaving office seems bad. I would not want to be that guy.

If you can't apply the law evenly, you're better off not applying it at all.

 

Fairness is an evolutionary trait that you can not violate. The response will be violent and immediate.

 

https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg

[Sim]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I implore you to drop this guy and move on.

LOL. Sorry but not sorry. Still voting for him.  But you keep supporting wars with no end and swamp creatures. (Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden) 

[TreeA10]

Amazing how members on this board call out commanders for favoritism given to shiny pennies or unequally enforced actions leading to lack of credibility and can't see those same issues applied to the federal government.