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[kaputt]

No surprise that this conversation is trying to be steered away from the main issue. 
 

No one cares or is debating what Elon should be spending his time or money doing or what his best skills are. 
 

The issue is the blatant hypocrisy of the left and the fact that they now want to sack an individual they used to love because he doesn’t toe their leftist line. The Biden administration wants to investigate Musk as a potential national security threat now due to this Twitter purchase. They of course claim this is “standard procedure”, despite Elon and his companies having in been involved in national security related activities for years now. 
 

All this is, is proof that the current admin and the leftists supporting it are threatened by anyone and everything that doesn’t support the approved narrative and will stop at nothing to try and shut it down and regain control over their own set of approved “facts”.  
 

 

[nsplayr]

🤷‍♂️ I don’t think anyone here is making any of those arguments. I would drive a Tesla or go to space on a SpaceX rocket, and I use Twitter every day. Certainly not canceling Elon or his companies!

I just think he is a quirky guy with big Recently Divorced Energy that is just stepping on rakes and wasting his time and money with Twitter when he could be doing better stuff. I also don’t support empowering bigots and Nazis to post their vile trash, but I guess then again he owns Twitter and I don’t, so do as you like. The real free speech story of this year is in China and Iran, not on any US internet sites or apps. 

The off-hand remark about “looking into Musk” is silly like you said, he already is launching NSA satellites with his other company!

Edited November 30, 2022 by nsplayr

[Biff_T]

It's funny watching them get bent out of shape over this.   Abortion, guns, trans and Twitter.  That's essentially what they care about.    

Meanwhile, our infrastructure is decaying, there are more homeless people in CA than there are citizens living WY, and I'm a bad guy because I'm Irish/American or otherwise white (everyone else is proud of their pre American heritage so why can't I be?).  

Clowns.  

[Prozac]

16 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Then you're a Nav.

Ohhhh, the boom’s dissing the nav!

 

Somebody get me my box lunch while I watch! 😂🤣 (Stated with love and ‘all due’ respect boys)

[Pooter]

Even before twitter valuations tanked Elon offered hugely over market value to buy the company.  I don't think making money in the short term on twitter was ever part of the plan.  

He's spoken at length numerous times about how he's a free speech absolutist and how important it is for humanity to have a public square that isn't hampered by censorship.  I think Elon genuinely cares about turning twitter into that and he's okay with ad revenue/profits suffering in the near term at the expense of a long-term vision.  

But @nsplayrhas a point.  The dude needs to get out of his own way.  Shitposting 24/7 and rolling out (and then retracting) half-baked features while simultaneously firing 75% of the employees is not how you make sustainable, thoughtful changes in a social media company.  Twitter does need to make *some* money, and the CEO acting like an erratic scatterbrained douche isn't helping keep advertisers around.  

Would the left have tried to de-platform and de-app store twitter regardless of Elon's strategy? Of course.  Their new (actually old) move is to simply claim everything they don't like is a dangerous existential threat, and the simple fact that someone who believes in free speech now runs twitter is "dangerous" to them.  

So maybe it's good Elon came in guns blazing with middle fingers in all directions if the left was going to act the same way regardless.  I just hope the near term financial turmoil of twitter isn't enough to compromise the platform in the long run.  

[Sim]

 

Oh no! 🙄 I'm shocked! 

[uhhello]

Lots of billionaires in here with vast experience running social media companies too.  It's awesome.  So much knowledge and insight as to how many workers are required and what needs to be done to sustain/grow the company.  

[Pooter]

30 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Lots of billionaires in here with vast experience running social media companies too.  It's awesome.  So much knowledge and insight as to how many workers are required and what needs to be done to sustain/grow the company.  

Doesn't take a billionaire investor galaxy brain to tell that things aren't going swimmingly over at twitter right now.  But you keep telling yourself Elon is playing 4D chess as he posts pictures of handguns on his nightstand as twitter valuation tanks, they roll-out and then immediately retract features, and 14 of the top 50 largest advertisers on the platform pull chocks.

[FourFans]

4 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Doesn't take a billionaire investor galaxy brain to tell that things aren't going swimmingly over at twitter right now.  But you keep telling yourself Elon is playing 4D chess as he posts pictures of handguns on his nightstand as twitter valuation tanks, they roll-out and then immediately retract features, and 14 of the top 50 largest advertisers on the platform pull chocks.

Have you ever been a unit that went from oppressive leadership to excellent leadership?  Did it perfectly improve overnight, or was there a transition period?  Of course there's going to be speedbumps.  Go lookup how many spacex rockets blew up or crashed before the first one worked...even a little.  Purchasing Twitter wasn't an impulse buy, but a strategic move.  Hell it might have been REAL virtue signaling.  I'm pretty sure Musk knows what he's doing.  What none of us have right now is the "aha" information from the behind the scenes.  Just wait.

Edited November 30, 2022 by FourFans130

[Pooter]

4 minutes ago, FourFans130 said:

Have you ever been a unit that went from oppressive leadership to excellent leadership?  Did it perfectly improve overnight, or was there a transition period?  Of course there's going to be speedbumps.  Go lookup how many spacex rockets blew up or crashed before the first one worked...even a little.  Purchasing Twitter wasn't an impulse buy, but a strategic move.  Hell it might have been REAL virtue signaling.  I'm pretty sure Musk knows what he's doing.  What none of us have right now is the "aha" information from the behind the scenes.  Just wait.

I hear you man, and I really do support what Elon is trying to do.  I don't think twitter was an impulse buy either.  But that doesn't mean the guy in charge hasn't behaved impulsively since. 

Exhibit A: tweeting conspiracy nonsense about Paul Pelosi hours after a brutal attack.  

Don't get me wrong, the media line that the attacker was some "ultra maga" dude was ballwash from the start too.  But where in the social media CEO handbook does it say you should inject yourself into the public discourse by mean tweeting at an assault victim?  Is this just a natural part of the transition period to excellent leadership?

[uhhello]

42 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Doesn't take a billionaire investor galaxy brain to tell that things aren't going swimmingly over at twitter right now.  But you keep telling yourself Elon is playing 4D chess as he posts pictures of handguns on his nightstand as twitter valuation tanks, they roll-out and then immediately retract features, and 14 of the top 50 largest advertisers on the platform pull chocks.

Is there an article or statement somwhere specifically stating which companies have stopped adverstising?  I'm just saying there has been thousands of "such and such according to so and so" lately.  I'm not taking any sides here.  

[nsplayr]

I don’t have any special insight but this is extremely googleable: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/11/28/musk-says-apple-cutting-twitter-ads-here-are-the-other-companies-rethinking-their-ties/amp/

And FWIW I don’t know how much it matters or really care who advertises where or how (or if) Twitter makes money. If Elon wants to own it as a hobby and pay a much smaller payroll from his personal funds and call it a day, cool, go for it.

[Sim]

31 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Exhibit A: tweeting conspiracy nonsense about Paul Pelosi hours after a brutal attack.  

 

“a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye.” is a conspiracy theory?  

Impressive exhibit! 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Sim

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

 

“a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye.” is a conspiracy theory?  

Impressive exhibit! 

 

 

Man somebody should pay you to curate a list of batshit alt-right obscure no name "news" sites. The links you come up with make newsmax and oan look reputable by comparison. 
 

Why didn't Paul Pelosi "run away" from his attacker? Must be some giant conspiracy.. or perhaps.. and hear me out on this one because it's pretty wild.. he didn't scamper away because he's eighty-fucking-two years old

[tac airlifter]

39 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Man somebody should pay you to curate a list of batshit alt-right obscure no name "news" sites. The links you come up with make newsmax and oan look reputable by comparison. 
 

Why didn't Paul Pelosi "run away" from his attacker? Must be some giant conspiracy.. or perhaps.. and hear me out on this one because it's pretty wild.. he didn't scamper away because he's eighty-fucking-two years old

Bro everything about the “official version” of that story smells like ass.  Elon said what anybody with common sense was thinking.

 

[O Face]

10 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Bro everything about the “official version” of that story smells like ass.  Elon said what anybody with common sense was thinking.

 

Not to mention the NBC reporter, who was there with the breaking news, has apparently vanished and NBC suddenly has a newfound respect for “accurate” reporting. 

[busdriver]

4 hours ago, Pooter said:

Doesn't take a billionaire investor galaxy brain to tell that things aren't going swimmingly over at twitter right now.  But you keep telling yourself Elon is playing 4D chess as he posts pictures of handguns on his nightstand as twitter valuation tanks, they roll-out and then immediately retract features, and 14 of the top 50 largest advertisers on the platform pull chocks.

To be fair.  Twitter hasn't looked good from a financial perspective, ever.  It simply isn't a profitable business, and its "valuation" has always been nonsense.

 

Also, characterizing a muzzle loading pistol (alongside a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware) and a sci-fi video game prop (from a game in which totalitarian corporations rule the world) as a picture of "handguns" is well, missing the point I guess.

[arg]

The fact that this administration said they are keeping an eye on twitter should scare the shit out of you.

[FLEA]

18 minutes ago, arg said:

The fact that this administration said they are keeping an eye on twitter should scare the shit out of you.

I earnestly would be but honestly I believe Joe thinks Twitter is his nieces pet farm chicken. 

[FourFans]

Best place to post it: Jocko Willink's most recent podcast is with Tulsi Gabbard.  Great interview.  I'd vote for her.

[dream big]

23 minutes ago, FLEA said:

I earnestly would be but honestly I believe Joe thinks Twitter is his nieces pet farm chicken. 

His handlers don’t 

[Guardian]

Is there a way to check Twitter membership and money made before and after Elon? Heard something this morning that it has more members and is making more money now than ever. Didn’t get a reference.

[HeloDude]

7 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Best place to post it: Jocko Willink's most recent podcast is with Tulsi Gabbard.  Great interview.  I'd vote for her.

Unless she’s drastically changed her position on the issues, that’s a hard pass for me.  
 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/

[nunya]

5 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Unless she’s drastically changed her position on the issues, that’s a hard pass for me.  

She is trying to convince us just that - she's changed her position. She's an inverse Charlie Crist and I think her real staying power will be about the same.

Edited December 1, 2022 by nunya

[FourFans]

Ok, I'll admit I don't agree with many of her positions.  If I'm honest, I've NEVER found an actual electable politician that I agree with on most topics.  Of all the options out there, she seems intelligent, articulate, clearly hasn't had a stroke, is willing to discuss difficult topics without equivocating on terms, and seems willing to compromise where it's necessary.  That list would eliminate most of our current politicians.  Hell, she stood up to 3 hours getting asked hard(ish) questions by Jocko.  That's got to count for something.  Imagine Biden, Pelosi, Fetterman or AOC doing that.  Is she my favorite?  Nope.  But I'd take her and Dan Crenshaw in a heartbeat over the asshats we currently have in power.

4 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Unless she’s drastically changed her position on the issues, that’s a hard pass for me.  
 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/

Who would you prefer?

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by FourFans130