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[nsplayr]

8 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Fact: Being "Pro-Choice" makes you not a Catholic.

This is a simple matter of definitions.

Disagree! As do the majority of Catholics and the head of the church.

8 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

As to the politics, so I understand you clearly. You like [Joe Biden’s policies over the last two years].

Edited January 24, 2023 by nsplayr

[Clark Griswold]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

<< Picture of dude saying yes >>

So you're okay with the SW border situation?  You believe the administration is correctly interpreting and enforcing the laws of the USA regarding immigration and employment enforcement?

[O Face]

4 hours ago, nsplayr said:

 

If only that inflation was malleable and dick shaped, you could really experience the ecstasy of 20% more. 

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said:

So you're okay with the SW border situation?  You believe the administration is correctly interpreting and enforcing the laws of the USA regarding immigration and employment enforcement?

I would like to see some changes, but largely around significantly upping legal immigration caps and legal work permits.

Immigration is a massive net positive for the US, esp compared to our global competitors or even most allies, and we should take advantage.

BL: I don’t want to stem the tide of people illegally immigrating, I just want to stop it from being illegal.

OBE reasons to keep people out (Title 42) should end because COVID has not been a reason to keep people out in a long time; it’s already endemic here.

The asylum system is rife for exploitation, so that can and should be changed too, but you would largely solve the problem if you just legalized economic reasons for immigration for Mexicans, Central Americans, Cubans, etc. who often make dubious asylum claims.

Just make almost all of it legal and welcome in some new American residents!

[Lord Ratner]

15 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Disagree on your summary of my views.

Catholic stuff aside, I like Joe Biden as a person and I like a lot of the policies he’s pushed through as President the last two years. He’s been more successful than I would have thought both electorally and legislatively.

He has also made mistakes and said a lot of dumb stuff over the years, and my biggest critique is that he’s too old to be president now, let alone run for another term. Flame away if it makes you feel better, but that’s not some radical view. He’s a mainstream Dem and so am I and he’s passed a fair amount of bills that are good from the perspective of mainstream Dems.

Back on religion, I find his faith to be sincere and genuine and an unmitigated positive part of his personal qualities, even if I’m not that religious myself. I respect people who are sincerely religious although I’m also equally fine supporting people who are not (e.g. I don’t believe Obama was sincerely that religious and I strongly supported him).

I am just baffled that, among all other options, a couple of y’all think Biden’s religion is a valid attack line, either because you think he’s faking it somehow, is amoral in general and therefore also lying about his faith, or because of a couple of dickhead bishops want to stop him from eating a cracker. I suspect it’s door #2 for you fourfans? (Sic) “Biden is a lying bad man all around and therefore all this Catholic stuff is fake and bad too.”  
Close enough?

IMHO it would be very strange to be a public, lifelong believer and regular church attendant, all as a setup to “rehab your image.” It would be a really long bit to commit to, although not without precedent!

This is like Jews who only go to synagogue a couple times a year, but take every opportunity to call themselves Jewish while they advocate for and support political stances that are in direct opposition to the Jewish faith. Being raised both Catholic and Jewish, I've seen many of both. And for clarity, I am firmly atheist.

 

Since I don't believe in any of the sanctity or spiritually of the religion, perhaps I have an easier time identifying religious vs non-religious people. You are religious if you follow the teachings of your religion. You are not if you don't.

 

You can love the idea of airplanes, respect the history of airplanes, marvel at the complex engineering of airplanes, and even spend a lot of time hanging out at FBOs, airshows, and in airplanes. But if you don't fly them, you're not a pilot, regardless of whether you believe yourself to be one.

 

One of the most vital elements of religion is the formation of a clear and definable identity that one can use to guide their life such that they can successfully adapt to living in a given society, and advance that society through their participation. Each religion has different prescriptions for doing so, but this new-age nonsense of I don't have to do anything but identify as the religion in order to be a part of it is strangely reminiscent of the new and obnoxious dogma regarding gender. 

[DSG]

49 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Just make almost all of it legal and welcome in some new American residents!

It's all great until their citizen children assimilate downward and learn the DEI grift.  Then you get the worst of both worlds.

[uhhello]

Lots of politicians going through their garage file cabinets right now 🙂

[Prozac]

16 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Fact: Being "Pro-Choice" makes you not a Catholic.

This is a simple matter of definitions.

Ok. Does being pro-evolution make you not a Christian? I mean, it’s all right there in the Bible. Who are you to pick and choose what you get to believe? BTW, this is one of the biggest problems I have with religion in general: For some people, it’s about a personal relationship with God and morality, and a vehicle for growing as a human being. Cool. For too many others though, it’s a bludgeon to hammer others with for not abiding their own personal beliefs.
 

I also wonder how many of the fervent naysayers are Catholic. I grew up in the Catholic Church and, in my experience, beliefs of church officials vary widely by geography and demographics. It’s a rather large organization if you weren’t aware and a Catholic parishioner in Guatemala probably has some very different views and beliefs than one in Colorado, who, in turn will seem very strange indeed to one in Papua New Guinea. 
 

Additionally, I find it ironic that many who are currently criticizing Biden’s religious beliefs…also cheerfully voted for Donald Trump, probably the least religious, most unethical president this country has ever had. I chalk it up as yet another attempt to make the argument that “yeah, we elected an absolute slimeball, but look! Joe Biden is just as slimy, if not slimier!” Sorry, but conservatives are only fooling conservatives on that one. Ever wonder why, before he was elected president, Joe Biden was considered one of the most likable, least polarizing politicians in Washington, but now all of a sudden, he’s the devil incarnate? Hmmmmm. 🤔 Back to your echo chambers. 

[nsplayr]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Each religion has different prescriptions for doing so, but this new-age nonsense of I don't have to do anything but identify as the religion in order to be a part of it is strangely reminiscent of the new and obnoxious dogma regarding gender. 

And my argument is that supporting a government policy that bans abortion (or allows abortion) is not a critical aspect of being Catholic or Christian. Depending on your denomination and etc. you probably shouldn’t actually have an abortion yourself, but merely supporting a government policy on the subject one way or another is not the same thing. And the Pope has said as much WRT Catholics, case closed.

Yes, if you claimed to be Muslim and then said Mohammed isn’t a profit of God…ok well then you’re not really a Muslim. But super inside-baseball doctrine where there is a variety of opinion AND the head of the faith says it’s not critical…again, case closed.

2 hours ago, DSG said:

It's all great until their citizen children assimilate…

This part is actually the American superpower. The fact that many second or especially third generation immigrants are largely indistinguishable from folks descending from the Mayflower pilgrims is fantastic. You can come from whenever and truly become a real, no-shit American faster and more completely than anywhere else in the world, and that is a very good thing IMHO.

Edited January 24, 2023 by nsplayr

[FLEA]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I would like to see some changes, but largely around significantly upping legal immigration caps and legal work permits.

Immigration is a massive net positive for the US, esp compared to our global competitors or even most allies, and we should take advantage.

BL: I don’t want to stem the tide of people illegally immigrating, I just want to stop it from being illegal.

OBE reasons to keep people out (Title 42) should end because COVID has not been a reason to keep people out in a long time; it’s already endemic here.

The asylum system is rife for exploitation, so that can and should be changed too, but you would largely solve the problem if you just legalized economic reasons for immigration for Mexicans, Central Americans, Cubans, etc. who often make dubious asylum claims.

Just make almost all of it legal and welcome in some new American residents!

Unless they're Muslim right? Because Biden has done a hell of a job blocking immigration pathways for Afghan refugees. He's also completely gutted the diversity visa lottery. Dept of State gets 50,000 diversity visas to give away each year. Under Biden they've awarded less than half each year due to deliberate stonewalling and pressure from the Whitehouse. DoS has been sued and lost twice because of this, now being sued a 3rd time and WH has again instructed DOJ to defend it. (Despite having lost twice already for the same exact reason. Lawsuits were separate. They were class actions filed under DV applicants of desperate filing years.) 

Recommend you get the whole picture of your going to suddenly be pro-Immigration. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by FLEA

[arg]

4 hours ago, uhhello said:

Lots of politicians going through their garage file cabinets right now 🙂

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2023-01-24/classified-documents-found-at-former-u-s-vice-president-pences-indiana-home-cnn

[brabus]

29 minutes ago, arg said:

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2023-01-24/classified-documents-found-at-former-u-s-vice-president-pences-indiana-home-cnn

This isn’t that hard, just put it in a WUG dorm microwave and you’re fine. Do we have to hold their hand on everything!

[arg]

I'm going to check the stack of magazines on the back of my toilet.

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

Recommend you get the whole picture of your going to suddenly be pro-Immigration. 

Recommend you not assume…it makes an ass out of u and me!

I am very pro immigration, so much so that I recognize my views are outside of the mainstream even for a Dem. I’ve also held that view for my entire adult life, so it’s not some kind of sudden revelation here in the last few years.

I am disappointed we didn’t let in many, many more Afghans. We should have been flying them out for years. I am also disappointed we don’t increase many immigration program caps 5-10x, especially high-skilled ones. Finally, I don’t know why the Biden admin is trying to fight diversity visa program normalization post-pandemic. They should stop.

I feel like you’re trying to either catch me unaware of something or accuse me of “doing a hypocrisy” before you even ask an actual, genuine question.

So if you yourself want more Afghans to immigrate or want to give out all the diversity lottery visas we should have given out over the last several years, we can agree! I was already aware of that stuff but I’m glad to hear you are too.

Edited January 24, 2023 by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html
 

Classified docs found at Pence’s Indiana home after a voluntary search. This is a systematic problem that we should fix.

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html
 

Classified docs found at Pence’s Indiana home after a voluntary search. This is a systematic problem that we should fix.

We can start with making it illegal.....

[Pooter]

These goddamn clowns (hillary, trump, biden, and pence) along with all of their staffers should all be in jail as far as I'm concerned. Because that is exactly what would happen to any of us if we were found  sitting on a pile of classified at home. 
 

The processes don't need to be revamped. Our political leadership needs to be revamped. 
 

The process is actually super easy. Don't take fucking classified to your house. If you can't manage that with your bloated staff of god-knows-how-many brown nosing aides you have no business running a country. 

[Sua Sponte]

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Recommend you not assume…it makes an ass out of u and me!

I am very pro immigration, so much so that I recognize my views are outside of the mainstream even for a Dem. I’ve also held that view for my entire adult life, so it’s not some kind of sudden revelation here in the last few years.

I am disappointed we didn’t let in many, many more Afghans. We should have been flying them out for years. I am also disappointed we don’t increase many immigration program caps 5-10x, especially high-skilled ones. Finally, I don’t know why the Biden admin is trying to fight diversity visa program normalization post-pandemic. They should stop.

I feel like you’re trying to either catch me unaware of something or accuse me of “doing a hypocrisy” before you even ask an actual, genuine question.

So if you yourself want more Afghans to immigrate or want to give out all the diversity lottery visas we should have given out over the last several years, we can agree! I was already aware of that stuff but I’m glad to hear you are too.

Who’s paying for the influx of immigrants? Denver had received about 5,000 Venezuelans who randomly just showed up since Christmas (they weren’t sent here by another governor, they communicated on social media and got their own bus). The mayor said the city has spent $2.5 million on paying for shelter (converting city rec centers), food, clothing, etc.

He’s seeking reimbursement from the state and Feds, but that’s not happening anytime soon. Until that happens it’s coming out of his operation budget for the city, which had been earmarked for other items within the city. So, whose footing thr bil? Tax payers of course.

The problem with extreme pro-immigration extremists is they’re wanting everyone to come in, but they also usually live in an area that doesn’t have a relatively high migrant population to begin with. It’s like arm chair quarterbacking. We’re running out of water here in the west, housing costs are insane throughout the country, and we’re most likely in a recession now (despite the Feds changing the definition of what one is).

Congress needs to fix the immigration via reform before we just open our borders and allow thousands of more people into the country to further strain an already overburdened infrastructure.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[arg]

4 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Recommend you not assume…it makes an ass out of u and me!

I am very pro immigration, so much so that I recognize my views are outside of the mainstream even for a Dem. I’ve also held that view for my entire adult life, so it’s not some kind of sudden revelation here in the last few years.

I am disappointed we didn’t let in many, many more Afghans. We should have been flying them out for years. I am also disappointed we don’t increase many immigration program caps 5-10x, especially high-skilled ones. Finally, I don’t know why the Biden admin is trying to fight diversity visa program normalization post-pandemic. They should stop.

I feel like you’re trying to either catch me unaware of something or accuse me of “doing a hypocrisy” before you even ask an actual, genuine question.

So if you yourself want more Afghans to immigrate or want to give out all the diversity lottery visas we should have given out over the last several years, we can agree! I was already aware of that stuff but I’m glad to hear you are too.

Okay, genuine question. What would you do if a bus with a few was dropped off in front of your house.

If in front of my house I would check to see if they needed food or water, then let them know the nearest town was 20 miles north.

[Clark Griswold]

12 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I would like to see some changes, but largely around significantly upping legal immigration caps and legal work permits.

Immigration is a massive net positive for the US, esp compared to our global competitors or even most allies, and we should take advantage.

BL: I don’t want to stem the tide of people illegally immigrating, I just want to stop it from being illegal.

OBE reasons to keep people out (Title 42) should end because COVID has not been a reason to keep people out in a long time; it’s already endemic here.

The asylum system is rife for exploitation, so that can and should be changed too, but you would largely solve the problem if you just legalized economic reasons for immigration for Mexicans, Central Americans, Cubans, etc. who often make dubious asylum claims.

Just make almost all of it legal and welcome in some new American residents!

I could go round and round arguing with you on your opinions on immigration (legal and illegal) and we would not change each other's minds, also I consider you a good faith arguer and non-shitposter so if that's your opinion fair enough.

I would disagree (well just a little round and round) that immigration is a massive net positive for the USA; controlled, legal, meritocratic, diverse immigration at a rate that can be assimilated is a net positive, how much of a positive I think is overstated IMHO.

[Lawman]

These goddamn clowns (hillary, trump, biden, and pence) along with all of their staffers should all be in jail as far as I'm concerned. Because that is exactly what would happen to any of us if we were found  sitting on a pile of classified at home. 
 
The processes don't need to be revamped. Our political leadership needs to be revamped. 
 
The process is actually super easy. Don't take ing classified to your house. If you can't manage that with your bloated staff of god-knows-how-many brown nosing aides you have no business running a country. 

The absolute most aggravating part of this is there staffs are really the ones that F this up and face no consequence.

Nobody honestly thinks Trump or Biden etc went and got boxes and packed their office do they? No of course not that’s the staff flunky job. So why the hell after these things happen do we not crucify them and revoke clearances. My regimental S2 pulled up some of Hillary’s staff after the whole thing and they all still showed up in JPAS. Like holy hell we will crucify a good Soldier for plugging the printer in the wrong color cable… but hey you actively ignored and moved stuff either through neglect or deliberate effort… oh no big deal. Please by all means keep your lively hood.


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[Pooter]

3 minutes ago, Lawman said:

The absolute most aggravating part of this is there staffs are really the ones that F this up and face no consequence.

Nobody honestly thinks Trump or Biden etc went and got boxes and packed their office do they? No of course not that’s the staff flunky job. So why the hell after these things happen do we not crucify them and revoke clearances. My regimental S2 pulled up some of Hillary’s staff after the whole thing and they all still showed up in JPAS. Like holy hell we will crucify a good Soldier for plugging the printer in the wrong color cable… but hey you actively ignored and moved stuff either through neglect or deliberate effort… oh no big deal. Please by all means keep your lively hood.

Absolutely Insane. And now we have 2 dem and 2 GOP fuck ups so it's basically a classified cornhole wash where no one gains or loses any points. My bet is no one gets prosecuted at all. 
 

Sad when principles are so far gone that mishandling classified only matters to politicians in so far as you can use it to bludgeon your opponents. 

[FourFans]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Recommend you not assume…it makes an ass out of u and me!

I am very pro immigration, so much so that I recognize my views are outside of the mainstream even for a Dem. I’ve also held that view for my entire adult life, so it’s not some kind of sudden revelation here in the last few years.

I am disappointed we didn’t let in many, many more Afghans. We should have been flying them out for years. I am also disappointed we don’t increase many immigration program caps 5-10x, especially high-skilled ones. Finally, I don’t know why the Biden admin is trying to fight diversity visa program normalization post-pandemic. They should stop.

I feel like you’re trying to either catch me unaware of something or accuse me of “doing a hypocrisy” before you even ask an actual, genuine question.

So if you yourself want more Afghans to immigrate or want to give out all the diversity lottery visas we should have given out over the last several years, we can agree! I was already aware of that stuff but I’m glad to hear you are too.

Dude.  This is why I like you.

[RASH]

I'm going to check the stack of magazines on the back of my toilet.

#NOPORN


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[dream big]

12 hours ago, Prozac said:

Ok. Does being pro-evolution make you not a Christian? I mean, it’s all right there in the Bible. Who are you to pick and choose what you get to believe? BTW, this is one of the biggest problems I have with religion in general: For some people, it’s about a personal relationship with God and morality, and a vehicle for growing as a human being. Cool. For too many others though, it’s a bludgeon to hammer others with for not abiding their own personal beliefs.
 

I also wonder how many of the fervent naysayers are Catholic. I grew up in the Catholic Church and, in my experience, beliefs of church officials vary widely by geography and demographics. It’s a rather large organization if you weren’t aware and a Catholic parishioner in Guatemala probably has some very different views and beliefs than one in Colorado, who, in turn will seem very strange indeed to one in Papua New Guinea. 
 

Additionally, I find it ironic that many who are currently criticizing Biden’s religious beliefs…also cheerfully voted for Donald Trump, probably the least religious, most unethical president this country has ever had. I chalk it up as yet another attempt to make the argument that “yeah, we elected an absolute slimeball, but look! Joe Biden is just as slimy, if not slimier!” Sorry, but conservatives are only fooling conservatives on that one. Ever wonder why, before he was elected president, Joe Biden was considered one of the most likable, least polarizing politicians in Washington, but now all of a sudden, he’s the devil incarnate? Hmmmmm. 🤔 Back to your echo chambers. 

Joe Biden was never likeable. He was always a racist, misogynistic, bumbling moron who was just trying to find more young women to sniff.  What you said about Trump and what I said about Biden can be true at the same time you know. The difference is the country did very well under one of those two…and it’s not Mr. Sniffs.