The Next President is...

[Sua Sponte]

24 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Just so I understand you clearly…you honestly think that if Trump were to win in 2024, that a state would take him in and put him in prison?  Or, if he was already in prison, not release him?…and I’m not asking about an article, I’m asking you what you personally believe would actually happen.  Likewise what would happen if tomorrow South Dakota charged Biden with a crime…do you actually think Biden would stand trial as a sitting president, as well as be allowed to be put in state prison if convicted?

Even as the libertarian here, I’m discussing what we believe would actually happen…not what the Hamas loving Harvard folks write about.

Yes. He was charged and/or found guilty of a state crime. Can a president pardon himself of said state crime(s)? If not, then why can’t that state enforce their own laws? The Constitution is silent where it doesn’t say you cannot imprison a president, so why couldn’t that happen? Why are we now asking ourselves this? Because presidents usually don’t go around allegedly committing state crimes while in office.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

16 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Yes. He was charged and/or found guilty of a state crime. Can a president pardon himself of said state crime(s)? If not, then why can’t that state enforce their own laws? The Constitution is silent where it doesn’t say you cannot imprison a president, so why couldn’t that happen? Why are we now asking ourselves this? Because presidents usually don’t go around allegedly committing state crimes while in office.

I very much disagree.  If this was the case, any state can pass some silly law and charge a president for violating it.  And as much as I dislike Trump personally, there’s a decent chance we may find out in a little over a year.  Also if you think every other President has been squeaky clean (to include our current one) then I guess we’ll again have to agree to disagree.

[Sua Sponte]

15 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

I very much disagree.  If this was the case, any state can pass some silly law and charge a president for violating it.  And as much as I dislike Trump personally, there’s a decent chance we may find out in a little over a year.  Also if you think every other President has been squeaky clean (to include our current one) then I guess we’ll again have to agree to disagree.

That’s fine you disagree, but neither I, nor you, are the people charged with interpreting the Constitution. Your posts about these topics are usually a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger effect. I didn’t say every other president has been squeaky clean, but you knew that, you’re just being stupid. I said that presidents normally don’t go around violating state laws while they’re sitting in office, which is why this is now some uncharted legal landscape the courts are entering in. Trump was still the lame duck president when his alleged criminal actions occurred in Georgia (Dec 2020). Are you to say that since he was technically president at the time the allegedly conduct happened that Georgia wouldn’t be able to prosecute him since he was, at the time, the president?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-23sc188947-criminal-indictment

I’m curious why you don’t think a president, who cannot pardon himself or others from state law violations, couldn’t be charged with violating state law? Are military personnel, who usually aren’t residents of the states they’re stationed in, immune from violating laws of the state they’re stationed in? Even if they aren’t residents of said states? Does the military have the authority to just immunize military personnel from state law violations because they’re essentially federal employees?

Edited October 21, 2023 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

48 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

That’s fine you disagree, but neither I, nor you, are the people charged with interpreting the Constitution. Your posts about these topics are usually a textbook example of Dunning-Kruger effect. I didn’t say every other president has been squeaky clean, but you knew that, you’re just being stupid. I said that presidents normally don’t go around violating state laws while they’re sitting in office, which is why this is now some uncharted legal landscape the courts are entering in. Trump was still the lame duck president when his alleged criminal actions occurred in Georgia (Dec 2020). Are you to say that since he was technically president at the time the allegedly conduct happened that Georgia wouldn’t be able to prosecute him since he was, at the time, the president?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-23sc188947-criminal-indictment

I’m curious why you don’t think a president, who cannot pardon himself or others from state law violations, couldn’t be charged with violating state law? Are military personnel, who usually aren’t residents of the states they’re stationed in, immune from violating laws of the state they’re stationed in? Even if they aren’t residents of said states? Does the military have the authority to just immunize military personnel from state law violations because they’re essentially federal employees?

I literally said that if Trump wins, do you think he’ll go to prison if convicted or remain in prison if previously convicted before the 2024 election…and your answer is yes, and my answer is no.  And your response to that is that I’m stupid.  So again focus on the actual prison piece not whether or not he is charged or convicted.

My money is that if Trump wins in 2024, he will be in the White House come January 20th, 2025, regardless of any state court outcomes.  You can disagree and call me a stupid, but do you really think the country would survive with an elected president being in a state prison?  Now as for Trump winning, I definitely have my doubts (and would much rather see someone else), but looking at the current polls and how bad Biden is doing, it’s definitely not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.

As for comparing Joe military person to the president…ummm, it’s the same reason why Hillary won’t be charged/punished for her crimes with mishandling classified information, but airman snuffy would.  Same applies to state crimes.  The elites are rarely charged for their crimes, especially compared to everyday folks.

[herkbier]

2024 President elect Trump in a GA prison would make for a fantastic reality tv season

[Sua Sponte]

4 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

I literally said that if Trump wins, do you think he’ll go to prison if convicted or remain in prison if previously convicted before the 2024 election…and your answer is yes, and my answer is no.  And your response to that is that I’m stupid.  So again focus on the actual prison piece not whether or not he is charged or convicted.

My money is that if Trump wins in 2024, he will be in the White House come January 20th, 2025, regardless of any state court outcomes.  You can disagree and call me a stupid, but do you really think the country would survive with an elected president being in a state prison?  Now as for Trump winning, I definitely have my doubts (and would much rather see someone else), but looking at the current polls and how bad Biden is doing, it’s definitely not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.

As for comparing Joe military person to the president…ummm, it’s the same reason why Hillary won’t be charged/punished for her crimes with mishandling classified information, but airman snuffy would.  Same applies to state crimes.  The elites are rarely charged for their crimes, especially compared to everyday folks.

My response that you’re stupid is I have asked you various questions on why he wouldn’t be held to justice in state court for violating state laws and you haven’t answered at all, which I’m not shocked. Whether the country would survive is irrelevant, since there is a system in place to have the country ran if the president is removed from office. Again, an armada of legal challenges would happen and would force the SCOTUS to either hold that yes, or no, a president could be tried, convicted, and imprison for violating state laws while a sitting president. This would also have the 25th Amendment possibly come into play and be exercised if the president is confined and no longer to execute the office. 

I agree that the elites are rarely charged held to justice for their crimes, however there’s a very good chance Trump will be going to prison in New York, Georgia, and/or federal. A huge reason why he’s running for president again is so he can pardon himself and cronies and get rid of all the federal punitive landscape that he’s currently caught in. 

[HeloDude]

45 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

My response that you’re stupid is I have asked you various questions on why he wouldn’t be held to justice in state court for violating state laws and you haven’t answered at all, which I’m not shocked.

I literally said it’s the same reason why elites are rarely held to the same standard of regular day folks…or do you disagree with that as well?  Throw that in with the basic idea that the country wouldn’t stay together if their elected president couldn’t be the president, and well, there’s my answer.  You can disagree and call me stupid, but I seriously doubt I’m the only one on this forum who thinks in such way…or are we all stupid?

I get it…you don’t like Trump.  I also don’t like him, just for different reasons I’m sure.  And if you think Trump’s biggest reason for running is so he doesn’t have to go to jail, then we disagree on many things (shocker).  He actually believes he was cheated out of 2020 and he actually believes that he would do better than the other people running.  He’s a jerk and a narcissist, no doubt.  But his policies were overall much better than his predecessor and his successor.

As for you believing it’s irrelevant whether the country survives or not…kind of makes the rest of the argument moot if it doesn’t, right?

Feel free to quote me on this in the future:  If Trump is the GOP nominee (likely, unfortunately) and wins in November 2024 (I give him 40% chance at this point), if he is still alive on January 20th, 2025, then he’s is physically in the White House…regardless if he’s a convicted felon in Georgia or anywhere else.

[Sua Sponte]

On 10/20/2023 at 9:33 PM, HeloDude said:

I literally said it’s the same reason why elites are rarely held to the same standard of regular day folks…or do you disagree with that as well?  Throw that in with the basic idea that the country wouldn’t stay together if their elected president couldn’t be the president, and well, there’s my answer.  You can disagree and call me stupid, but I seriously doubt I’m the only one on this forum who thinks in such way…or are we all stupid?

I get it…you don’t like Trump.  I also don’t like him, just for different reasons I’m sure.  And if you think Trump’s biggest reason for running is so he doesn’t have to go to jail, then we disagree on many things (shocker).  He actually believes he was cheated out of 2020 and he actually believes that he would do better than the other people running.  He’s a jerk and a narcissist, no doubt.  But his policies were overall much better than his predecessor and his successor.

As for you believing it’s irrelevant whether the country survives or not…kind of makes the rest of the argument moot if it doesn’t, right?

Feel free to quote me on this in the future:  If Trump is the GOP nominee (likely, unfortunately) and wins in November 2024 (I give him 40% chance at this point), if he is still alive on January 20th, 2025, then he’s is physically in the White House…regardless if he’s a convicted felon in Georgia or anywhere else.

Did the country stay together when Nixon resigned before he was impeached? There is a process to run the country if the president either leaves office abruptly or is removed. Do you think as many people are going to start overrunning the Capitol again when they’ve seen a lot of those that did during 1/6 prosecuted and thrown in federal prison? Are you the only one that feels that way on here, of course not, this place is an echo chamber of certain political stances. But this is also forum of people saying how Biden was going to be 25 Amendement’d so Harris could take over and this was some master DNC plan to do so. 

I don’t like Trump because he only cares about Trump. He doesn’t care about the DNC or RNC, he cares about retaining the power and the “unique” abilities that comes with being POTUS (like not being federal indicted while in office and if it were to happen, pardoning himself and his cronies). It’s easy to believe that the election was rigged when your own advisors and attorneys are telling you that you lost and you just disregard them and surround yourself with your echo chamber. His policies being better are subjective, as always.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/grading-trumps-economic-policies

It will be up to the RNC to see if they support Trump as a nominee or not. The best thing for them to do is cut ties, like most of them have, with Trump and let him rot. How’s that Speaker election going for Jim Jordan with his fellow Republicans, losing votes every time he was up for a vote? It’s people like Jordan, who refuse to acknowledge that the election wasn’t stolen, that the RNC needs to rid themselves of and press. Unfortunately, DeSantis isn’t doing so hot, so it will be very interesting the next year.

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Did the country stay together when Nixon resigned before he was impeached? There is a process to run the country if the president either leaves office abruptly or is removed.

Nixon voluntarily resigned…so yeah, your argument has nothing to do with this realistic potential that I proposed…unless you think Trump would win in 2024 and then resign.

As for the process to remove Trump…ok, do you think that if Trump were to win in 2024 that the House would vote to impeach him and the Senate remove him after January20th, 2025 because he has been convicted in a state court?  And as for the 25th Amendment, yeah, that won’t happen either.
 

Like I said man, our differences on this issue are simple:  You believe that if Trump were to win in 2024 that he won’t physically be in the WH come January 20, 2025 due to being in prison, and I disagree.  We’ll have to wait and see…though Trump would still need to win in 2024 and as I said the other day, I give him a 40% chance, though the current polling has him winning vs not.  But I think the majority of the polling is junk, so I don’t give it much credibility.

As for your additional hypothetical that if Trump would win and would be in a Georgia prison on January 20th, 2025, do I think a January 6th situation would occur?…oh, it would be much, much worse.  But it would be a “mostly peaceful protest” that the left supports lol.

[17D_guy]

And Jenna Ellis had a very moving statement when pleading guilty. Also seems Meadows has completely flipped.

[ClearedHot]

Dozens of FBI sources gave ‘criminal information’ on Bidens that DOJ tried to discredit as ‘foreign disinformation’:

Nothing to see here...the liberals are "mostly happy with Biden."

[Biff_T]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Dozens of FBI sources gave ‘criminal information’ on Bidens that DOJ tried to discredit as ‘foreign disinformation’:

Nothing to see here...the liberals are "mostly happy with Biden."

Everything is misinformation.  That's how they sleep at night. 

Time to admit shit is not as "gay" as once thought and that the world is getting on the verge war....again.  The party of peace led us to war and embraces war.  Think about that.   The right had always been for a good war to sell weapons but now the left has shown they also like to sell those weapons.   

There should outrage from the dems. 

The two party system doesn't let people think for themselves but we definitely dont need a one party system.  

We will see real change when people quit picking sides and do what's right.   Our current leadership will never do what's right, unless it happens to line up with the money making machine.  

The President is a crook.  

Edited October 26, 2023 by Biff_T
Spelling bee failure

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, Biff_T said:

We will see real change when people quit picking sides and do what's right.

What half the country thinks is right, the other half thinks is evil, and vice versa.  But don’t worry, our country can be “fixed”.

[Biff_T]

15 hours ago, HeloDude said:

What half the country thinks is right, the other half thinks is evil, and vice versa.  But don’t worry, our country can be “fixed”.

I don't think enough people really want to fix it.  That would require  not being selfish and true compromise.   Nobody wants that.  Not in modern-day America where your likes on the internet matter more than feeding your children.  Neither side.  Enjoy a weaker dollar and more war for the foreseeable future.  

[Biff_T]

Limit Federal Government.   We have individual states for a reason.  Quit making laws that affect the entire country and let the states have more control.   The system is already in place.  Use it.  We dont need as much Federal government.  They have way too much power.  

You dont like abortion?  Dont live in CA.  

You dont like the religious right?  Dont live in Alabama.  

Dont like overreaching government?  Tell the Federal government to fuck off.   We have legal cannabis in a lot of states and yet it is Federally illegal.   

We have 50 states for reason. We don't all like the same shit.   

I don't want some terd from NYC telling me how to live in Cypress CA.  I already have enough terds here to deal with.  

Edit 2:  Turd is the correct spelling.   Burt Reynolds is not a pussy!

Edited October 31, 2023 by Biff_T
Affect vs effect.

[ViperMan]

11 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Limit Federal Government.   We have individual states for a reason.  Quit making laws that affect the entire country and let the states have more control.   The system is already in place.  Use it.  We dont need as much Federal government.  They have way too much power.  

You dont like abortion?  Dont live in CA.  

You dont like the religious right?  Dont live in Alabama.  

Dont like overreaching government?  Tell the Federal government to fuck off.   We have legal cannabis in a lot of states and yet it is Federally illegal.   

We have 50 states for reason. We don't all like the same shit.   

I don't want some terd from NYC telling me how to live in Cypress CA.  I already have enough terds here to deal with.  

Dude, not to be pedantic, but turd is spelled with a 'u'.

[Biff_T]

10 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Dude, not to be pedantic, but turd is spelled with a 'u'.

TERD for life!   U's are for pussies!

Edited October 28, 2023 by Biff_T
Spelling bee failure

[O Face]

On 10/28/2023 at 9:19 AM, Biff_T said:

TERD for life!   U's are for pussies!

Burt Reynolds was no pussy!!

[Biff_T]

31 minutes ago, O Face said:

Bert Reynolds was no pussy!!

 

@jiceThat's a lol! 

[gearhog]

Gotta give credit where due. Biden is great around kids.

Here, he hands out packs of cigarettes to desperate children in this wholesome White house Halloween party.

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1719277970022408411?s=20

[disgruntledemployee]

17 hours ago, gearhog said:

Gotta give credit where due. Biden is great around kids.

Here, he hands out packs of cigarettes to desperate children in this wholesome White house Halloween party.

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1719277970022408411?s=20

All the kids love Kinko for the presents that they will get,

Silly leather clothes to wear and happy cigarettes....  ha heh heh heh hehhh

[uhhello]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:00 AM, gearhog said:

Gotta give credit where due. Biden is great around kids.

Here, he hands out packs of cigarettes to desperate children in this wholesome White house Halloween party.

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1719277970022408411?s=20

The funniest part is I think you actually believe it 🙂

[gearhog]

2 hours ago, uhhello said:

The funniest part is I think you actually believe it 🙂

LOL. No, I think he's terrible with kids. I was being sarcastic.

[brabus]

Just got my mail in ballot for a state I haven't been a resident/legal voter in for over 10 years. Only have contacted the SoS office about this 5 times. Yep, mail in ballot system, totally legit!

[kaputt]

Election 2023: 3 key takeaways on abortion, Trump and Biden | Fox News

A small sample size of elections for sure, but some strong messaging from voters nonetheless. I've said this on here before, but the overturning of Roe v Wade was one of the single dumbest strategic moves by the Republican party in a very long time. Forget about the legal or technical aspects for a second and look at the big picture. One, abortion bans are in general not popular across most of the country. Two, the right essentially went at the heart of the left's version of the second amendment. This galvanized support and basically proved to many voters the Dem's drum beat of "they want to take away abortion!" was correct after all. Looking at the last two years, the overturning of that single measure has led to numerous election losses and looks like it will continue to do so.

Also, the moderate democrat Kentucky governor winning (again) in a deep red state highlights to me the desire in this country for moderation in politics. The far left and far right garbage that dominates the headlines is not what most people want. Personally, I think on the presidential level the republicans have the best candidates that actually could lean center on many issues and also provide genuine leadership. But of course, somehow, someway, Trump is going to be the nominee; nearly ensuring 4 more years of the current garbage we have. 

The only positive light I would take from this for conservatives is that this week's elections were far more local in nature, and the economy, the border, national security, etc... were not exactly what was being run on. Those three things look very bad on the current administration. But again, they're probably going to run against Trump so the issues will go out the window for half the country anyway.