The Next President is...

[HeloDude]

59 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

I did not admit that I believe his indictments to be political.  I literally said "I don't know.  Some?" (...the question mark used to underscore my uncertainty.)

So your response to my question if you believe all, some, or none of his incitements to be legitimate and non-political is “some?”, but at the same time you don’t believe his indictments to be political?  Ans then recently you said you’re uncertain…talk about mental gymnastics!

[brabus]

11 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

I'm afraid his character flaws go far beyond being a "jerk."  Trump is a buffoon.  Willfully ignorant, petty, petulant, spiteful and jealous.  Selfish and self-serving.  Those are terrible, maybe even dangerous, traits for a President to have

The brain buster though is you just described Biden perfectly. Also easily described just about everyone in the political class. There’s the real problem in our country - we only run and elect people (in recent history) who fit these traits. So given that Biden and Trump are equal in shit character, might as well go with the guy who’s policies are more favorable for America and less favorable for our enemies. 
 

I don’t think you have TDS, I think you have only provided an assessment on one side while not doing (or at least not presenting) the same “balanced” assessment on the other side. As for this conservative, I’m not making excuses for trumps behavior, but I’m also not pretending the other guy has better character. So once again we’re forced to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich, so I’m taking the one with better and more effective policies. 

[SpeedOfHeat]

14 hours ago, Sim said:

<yawn> Still voting Trump. Sorry, but not sorry. Don't care what fake news say. Or brainwashed NPCs with 10,000 word essays. 

To brainwashed NPCs, can you pass this quiz? 

Typical Trump fanboy.  Anything you don't want to hear immediately dismissed as ".....fAkE nEwS....." 

And "10,000 word essays"....nice.  Translation:  "I, like Trump, don't read.  Reading is difficult." 

As Trump says, he "loves the poorly educated."

To your laundry list of hoaxes, yes, idiots on both sides have unfortunately fallen for a lot of obvious lies.  You and your fellow MAGA "NPCs" can play bingo with the following:

The election was stolen;  Mike Lindell the Pillow Guy; Trump's going to 'drain the swamp'; COVID will go away by itself - probably by Easter; QANON; the Deep State; the vaccines are microchipped, Mexico will pay for the wall, Obama care will be replaced.....and on and on.

Go to a Trump rally, or watch Jan 6th footage, and tell me those people aren't brainwashed.

14 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So your response to my question if you believe all, some, or none of his incitements to be legitimate and non-political is “some?”, but at the same time you don’t believe his indictments to be political?  Ans then recently you said you’re uncertain…talk about mental gymnastics!

There's no mental gymnastics.  It's actually just mental capacity and reading comprehension on your end.  I get it -- this question about how many indictments are political is your clever little "gotcha."  Except you never actually articulate your point, so the gotcha never comes.

3 hours ago, brabus said:

The brain buster though is you just described Biden perfectly. Also easily described just about everyone in the political class. There’s the real problem in our country - we only run and elect people (in recent history) who fit these traits. 

Brabus, honestly, you can't be serious.  Biden is severely diminished, no doubt.  Anyone can see that.  He can barely formulate sentences, and often looks confused and lost.  It's really embarrassing, and only his (very few) die-hard fanatics pretend not to see it.  And I don't agree with Biden's policies and/or direction for the country. 

But to say that: "buffoon.  Willfully ignorant, petty, petulant, spiteful and jealous.  Selfish and self-serving" also describes him "perfectly" is ridiculous.  He doesn't have the mental capacity to even be those things if he wanted to.  Biden is a dementia patient, and a few of his remaining marbles are $hitty liberal talking points and ideas.  While I agree that he should not be President and I cannot vote for him, it's far from "equal in $hit character" to Trump.

And then to go on to lump all politicians into that category?  With all due respect, give me a break, man.  You think those traits describe DeSantis, Ramaswamy, and Haley?  Those 3 aren't perfect by any means, but come on, they're clearly not selfish without measure, willfully ignorant, and child-like in the way Trump is.  Not remotely close. 

I will never vote for a democrat because of their terrible ideas and policies.  I also cannot, in good conscience, cast a vote for Trump, which is why I wish desperately for Haley to be the nominee.  Given the circumstances, I would have gladly, with a big smile on my face, cast a vote for DeSantis, Ramaswamy, or Haley.  But here we are.

Edited January 25 by SpeedOfHeat

[dream big]

Not sure America can handle another Trump v Biden spit fest (case in point this thread, which I really enjoy but just shows how everyone is just stuck in their echo chambers)..2020 was horrible enough, and here we go again. However, as alluded to, America brought this on itself. 

[brabus]

5 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

you can't be serious

Completely serious. Biden is as big a POS human as the political class comes. Maybe look beyond his current dementia, going all the way back to the early days. He and his family (and many of the elite in the US) are selfish dirtbags who think they are above the law and better than all of us not in said elite class. If you can’t see that, I guess you actually do have TDS. Making excuses for Biden as if he’s a better human than Trump is ludicrous and uninformed. At best they’re both equally shit. 
 

I don’t put Desantis or Vivek in the political class (we’re taking people like Schumer, Pelosi, McConnell, etc.) I actually don’t like Haley much, but while very much establishment, she is better than all the aforementioned names (not including Desantis/Vivek imo). In the end, I would have much rather seen Desantis, Vivek or Haley be the nominee, and would happily vote for any of them vs. the shitshow that the Dems are. But here we are, and I’m voting based on policy, not emotions. Votes driven by emotion is how we’ve arrived at this point. 

Edited January 25 by brabus

[disgruntledemployee]

23 hours ago, Sim said:

<yawn> Still voting Trump. Sorry, but not sorry. Don't care what fake news say.

Words...

For you and anyone else walking in the Trump elephant train...

Trump shit on your Constitution and wiped his ass with your American flag.  Enjoy drinking his piss.

 

And Biden is just as fucking dishonorable.

PS. 3/4 of the tags I used when I created this thread over 7 years ago are still relevant, JFC.

Edited January 26 by disgruntledemployee

[Biff_T]

This never gets old.

https://youtu.be/mCJMF7mflGE?si=jsjAfB2Wi8mnANAc

[Biff_T]

https://voiceofoc.org/2024/01/ca-attorney-general-enforces-housing-mandates-on-orange-county-cities/

 

Overeach from the state government.   They want to turn OC and SD into LA and SF.  They want to fuck up the good that's left here in CA by forcing more people into the cities.  They are mandating (sounds gay) that cities in OC and SD make room for more people.  How does that sound.. ?  State overreach is how it is in CA.  Elect someone like Newsom and this will translate into more Federal government laws to keep the states from having any sort of independence from big  government.   

Edited January 29 by Biff_T
Spelling bee failure

[ClearedHot]

The nit wit in chief is actually on TV touting the resulting of the investigation into his mishandling of classified information. 

He actually just said "Over my career in public service, I have always worked to protect America’s security. I take these issues seriously and no one has ever questioned that," 

Some highlights from the report:

Special Counsel Bur described Biden as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." 

The investigation "uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen."

"Mr. Biden wrote his 2007 and 2017 memoirs with the help of a ghostwriter. In a recorded conversation with his ghostwriter in February 2017, about a month after he left office, Mr. Biden said, while referencing his 2009 Thanksgiving memo, that he had "just found all the classified stuff downstairs." -  He knew and it was purposeful.

"Mr. Biden's ghostwriter and destruction of evidence. After learning of the special counsel's appointment in this matter, Mr. Biden's ghostwriter deleted audio recordings he had created of his discussions with Mr. Biden during the writing of Mr. Biden's 2017 memoir. The recordings had significant evidentiary value."

"Marked classified documents about Afghanistan. These documents from fall 2009 have classification markings up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level. They were found in a box in Mr. Biden's Delaware garage that contained other materials of great personal significance to him and that he appears to have personally used and accessed."

 

 

[BashiChuni]

Hur’s report describes Biden’s memory in damning terms, at one point stating that it “appeared to have significant limitations.”

"In his interview with our office, Mr. Biden’s memory was worse. He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended (“if it was 2013 – when did I stop being Vice President?”), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began (“in 2009, am I still Vice President?”). He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died. And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said he “had a real difference” of opinion with General Karl Eikenberry, when, in fact, Eikenberry was an ally whom Mr. Biden cited approvingly in his Thanksgiving memo to President Obama."

clearly biden is not in charge. this is obvious. and he is incompetent to be president now and in 2024.

https://www.mediaite.com/biden/elderly-man-with-a-poor-memory-devastating-doj-report-says-biden-did-not-remember-when-he-was-vice-president-and-when-his-son-died/

[BashiChuni]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-spoke-second-dead-113738984.html

[uhhello]

I can just imagine the oval office when DOJ pre-briefed them 🙂 I wonder what version 1 read like. 

Edited February 8 by uhhello

[ClearedHot]

The other major story today played out in the SCOTUS.  Jason Murray representing six Colorado Republicans who filed suit last year to remove the former president from the ballot, and Shannon Stevenson representing the Colorado secretary of state argued in support of the Colorado decision to remove Trump from the ballot.  I listened to most of it and was pleasantly surprised to hear the liberal leaning justices asking some of the toughest questions.  At one point Murray was on the ropes and had to admit that if they were "procedurely wrong, then the case was dead right there"...then he went to their insurance policy where he stated if the Democrats win the house they can vote to disqualify Trump before he can be sworn in.  Isn't that overturning an election?

[BashiChuni]

i think the democratic establishment is setting biden up to step aside

1) no way the special counsel was allowed to write those damning words about bidens age without strategic messaging from democratic strategists. it would have been LESS damaging if they had simply charged him. instead they unequivocally said he is not mentally competent to stand trial. huge blow during an election year.

2) biden took off the cuff WH press corps questions for the first time since? i can't remember the last time he took un-scripted questions. biden has been held on a very tight leash by his political handlers....it doesn't make sense that on the worst day of his reelection campaign so far they let him speak AND answer press questions. doesn't make sense AT ALL.

3) NBC and CNN WH correspondents were asking openly hostile questions about his age. those networks have not done that during his presidency. they usually ask pre-scripted softball questions. not this time. and as the twitter files have demonstrated there are numerous connections from political strategists to the press. these questions are not asked without explicit permission from the party power brokers & news chiefs. those press corps reporters would be replaced on the spot if they weren't towing the company guidance IRT tough questions.

4) Biden is clearly not mentally capable to be president. it's becoming too obvious to hide. he called the president of egypt the president of mexico in his presser. the democratic power players are starting to get nervous that the dam of bidens incoherent faculties is starting to fracture, and not even the most powerful media spin playbook is capable of sweeping it under the rug anymore.

 

i don't think he makes it to election day.

[Lord Ratner]

50 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

i think the democratic establishment is setting biden up to step aside

1) no way the special counsel was allowed to write those damning words about bidens age without strategic messaging from democratic strategists. it would have been LESS damaging if they had simply charged him. instead they unequivocally said he is not mentally competent to stand trial. huge blow during an election year.

2) biden took off the cuff WH press corps questions for the first time since? i can't remember the last time he took un-scripted questions. biden has been held on a very tight leash by his political handlers....it doesn't make sense that on the worst day of his reelection campaign so far they let him speak AND answer press questions. doesn't make sense AT ALL.

3) NBC and CNN WH correspondents were asking openly hostile questions about his age. those networks have not done that during his presidency. they usually ask pre-scripted softball questions. not this time. and as the twitter files have demonstrated there are numerous connections from political strategists to the press. these questions are not asked without explicit permission from the party power brokers & news chiefs. those press corps reporters would be replaced on the spot if they weren't towing the company guidance IRT tough questions.

4) Biden is clearly not mentally capable to be president. it's becoming too obvious to hide. he called the president of egypt the president of mexico in his presser. the democratic power players are starting to get nervous that the dam of bidens incoherent faculties is starting to fracture, and not even the most powerful media spin playbook is capable of sweeping it under the rug anymore.

 

i don't think he makes it to election day.

Yeah but did they wait too long? They know Kamala Harris is a guaranteed loss. Do they have time at this point to run a primary? I don't really know how it works this late in the game. If Biden is out then it seems like zero chance they are able to rein in Robert Kennedy, and I think if he's running as an independent the Democrats are in a Ross Perot scenario, also guaranteed to lose.

[gearhog]

Let's give credit where due:

Biden convinced Mexican President CC to allow aid to flow into Southern Gaza and convinced Israeli President BB to allow aid into Northern Gaza.

https://x.com/DYShor/status/1755771553747194351?s=20

[BashiChuni]

48 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Yeah but did they wait too long? They know Kamala Harris is a guaranteed loss. Do they have time at this point to run a primary? I don't really know how it works this late in the game. If Biden is out then it seems like zero chance they are able to rein in Robert Kennedy, and I think if he's running as an independent the Democrats are in a Ross Perot scenario, also guaranteed to lose.

i think this is the perfect time. you don't wanna peak too early a la Desantis.

gavin newsom can step in next month and easily defeat trump. as a republican i'd rather have trump face a clearly weak and diminished biden. newsom is a fool, but he looks and sounds presidential.

all it takes is for him to get on tv, look good in a debate, and boom he's gold. plus a solid taylor swift endorsement and you have a democratic win.

-----TIN FOIL HAT THEORY BELOW----

Biden passes away before the election. newsom steps in. he would win by a LANDSLIDE.

[O Face]

36 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

i think this is the perfect time. you don't wanna peak too early a la Desantis.

gavin newsom can step in next month and easily defeat trump. as a republican i'd rather have trump face a clearly weak and diminished biden. newsom is a fool, but he looks and sounds presidential.

all it takes is for him to get on tv, look good in a debate, and boom he's gold. plus a solid taylor swift endorsement and you have a democratic win.

-----TIN FOIL HAT THEORY BELOW----

Biden passes away before the election. newsom steps in. he would win by a LANDSLIDE.

Agreed. My theory for a while now has been that the Dems were going to wait until the bitter end of Biden and “something” would happen and Newsom would swoop in to save the day. Not saying they’re going to have him killed, I mean Hillary isn’t running again or anything, but as I read that sham of an investigation, and they kept harping on just how fucking senile he is, as if that should surprise anyone, I figured that was their ticket to bring in someone else as a savior. 

[ClearedHot]

10 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Yeah but did they wait too long? They know Kamala Harris is a guaranteed loss. Do they have time at this point to run a primary? I don't really know how it works this late in the game. If Biden is out then it seems like zero chance they are able to rein in Robert Kennedy, and I think if he's running as an independent the Democrats are in a Ross Perot scenario, also guaranteed to lose.

The scenario quietly playing in the background, and the one that scares me the most...

Dems get to the Convention and Michelle comes sweeping in to save the day.  Maybe then she could finally be proud of her country.

[lloyd christmas]

I don’t think the Dems can contain this issue with Biden anymore.  There is absolutely no doubt that he is in rapid decline.  It’s sad and very hard to watch but most of all, it’s dangerous for our country.  The world is watching this unfold.  The special council’s report, whether intentional or not, is the death knell for his presidency.  I think we are a week or two out from Biden’s resignation. The Dems will get their woman/woman of color as POTUS at least until Jan 2025 which is what they really want.  The election will play itself out without Biden one way or another.  It’ll be really fascinating and sad to get the truth about what really happened with the Biden’s when he’s gone.  The truth will come out.  

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

I don’t think the Dems can contain this issue with Biden anymore.  There is absolutely no doubt that he is in rapid decline.  It’s sad and very hard to watch but most of all, it’s dangerous for our country.  The world is watching this unfold. 

His impromptu news conference last night was a complete abortion.  Peter Doocy started the "failing memory" line of questioning which led to an insult from Biden, luckily another reporter followed up.  The look on Biden's face the entire time...eyes squinted as he struggled to answer.  The worst part, after saying there is nothing wrong with his memory, he referred to Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah El-Sisi as the “president of Mexico.  This happened the same week he referred to François Mitterrand, who died in 1996, instead of French President Emmanuel Macron and the late Helmut Kohl instead of former German Chancellor Angela Merkel.  And still our liberal friends are "mostly happy" with what is going on.

[tac airlifter]

40 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

His impromptu news conference last night was a complete abortion.  Peter Doocy started the "failing memory" line of questioning which led to an insult from Biden, luckily another reporter followed up.  

I don’t think it was just luck, something seems to have shifted behind-the-scenes as previously fawning media turns on Biden in formation.  Perhaps polling has them shook and they’re trying to force a new candidate.  But I don’t think Michelle Obama will be it, she doesn’t seem interested.

Regarding that bizarre event last night, this guy said it better than me:

 

[HeloDude]

Assuming Biden doesn’t seriously decline further in the next several months, he won’t resign.  The Dems don’t want Kamala as President and they definitely don’t want her as the nominee in November…if Biden resigns soon and they don’t give Kamala the nomination then that will split the party.  
 

Most likely scenario IMO is that Biden pulls a Johnson and says he won’t accept the nomination due to health concerns and Kamala will say she doesn’t want the nomination so she can focus on doing XYZ the rest of the year (with the promise to make her SCOTUS pick or something)…and then the DNC puts in Michelle Obama with maybe Newsom as her VP nominee.  The Dems need the black vote to come in strong this November if they have any chance at winning and as of now, poll after poll is showing that Biden is going to get the least amount of the black vote compared to any Dem nominee in recent history.

[Biff_T]

12 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

newsom is a fool, but he looks and sounds presidential.

He looks like a frequent patron at a violent gay bar.  

Edited February 9 by Biff_T
Newsom sucks....for money

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The scenario quietly playing in the background, and the one that scares me the most...

Dems get to the Convention and Michelle comes sweeping in to save the day.  Maybe then she could finally be proud of her country.

I just don't see a path to victory for her. Obviously all the Democrats vote for her, though I don't think she will stir up much enthusiasm amongst the moderate or Union Democrats. Obviously the Republicans won't vote for her, but she'll probably do a decent job boosting Republican turnout a bit.

 

But the but the independent voters? Does she really pull them? Trump doesn't, though he'll do better with the spiraling immigration situation. But Hillary Clinton at least worked as a politician before running for president, Michelle Obama will purely be a president's wife running to be president. I don't know.

 

But I think the bigger issue is that if she runs, there's no chance of getting RFK Jr out of the race, and I think he will harvest millions of votes from Democrats who don't just want to vote for the wife of a politician.

 

You may have noticed that there is almost a complete media blackout of RFK Jr. They do not want anyone to realize he's still running.