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[Banzai]

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

All he said was Gaza was uninhabitable, it needed rebuilt, and Palestinians would live there.

No he didn’t. He said Palestinians would be displaced to other countries and specifically not live in Gaza. Pretty sure that’s the majority of the discontent around what he has said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/04/trump-netanyahu-gaza

If you’re gonna try to take a holier than thou approach to argumentation, maybe first understand basic facts. Otherwise you come across as either entirely ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

[ClearedHot]

Just stunning what the DNC was doing with USAID...criminal...used it as a way to get YOUR money to George Soros among other things.  This snippet from Joe Rogan lists some of the simply unbelievable things the last administration was doing with YOUR tax dollars.  If you listen to the end there is an interesting new quantum tracker that can now follow every dollar.

 

[gearhog]

1 hour ago, Banzai said:

No he didn’t. He said Palestinians would be displaced to other countries and specifically not live in Gaza. Pretty sure that’s the majority of the discontent around what he has said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/04/trump-netanyahu-gaza

If you’re gonna try to take a holier than thou approach to argumentation, maybe first understand basic facts. Otherwise you come across as either entirely ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

I'm fully aware. Try to set aside your emotions. Take a sip of your soy latte, clear your mind, and observe these images.

https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1881299383137779882

Now let's apply reason. Is it not obvious to you this place is devastated? Hell on Earth. There is no infrastructure. Teetering remains of buildings and ordanance littering the ground. Without regard to your emotions, try to summon an empirical assessment of the situation.

Is it reasonable to believe Palestinians can live acceptable lives at this location given the current conditions? No.

Is it reasonable to believe this area should be rebuilt? Yes. Can the Palestinians do it? No.

Is it reasonable to believe it is physically possible to reside in this area while it is being reconstructed? No.

Logic would dictate the residents of this area must physically occupy a different geographic location.

Will they be given the opportunity to return. Yes.

This is basic stuff. I'm not making a subjective argument here. Do you even have a logical alternative?

Direct quote:

Reporter: Just a follow up on what you were saying about the Gazans leaving Gaza going to other countries: 1. One, where exactly are you suggesting that they should go, and two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt.  And if not who do you envision living there?

Trump: I envision a world people living there the world's people I think you'll make that into an international unbelievable place I think the potential in the Gaza Strip is unbelievable and I think the entire world representatives from all over the world will be there and they'll and they'll live there. Palestinians also. Palestinians will live there.

1 hour ago, Banzai said:

No he didn’t. No he didn’t. He said Palestinians would be displaced to other countries and specifically not live in Gaza.

If you’re gonna try to take a holier than thou approach to argumentation, maybe first understand basic facts.

Would you like to correct your false statement? If you're gonna be wrong, be wrong with confidence. Nice work.

If you're gonna try to see who can be more condescending, I've been here longer than you. 😀

Edited February 7 by gearhog

[gearhog]

55 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Just stunning what the DNC was doing with USAID...criminal...used it as a way to get YOUR money to George Soros among other things.  This snippet from Joe Rogan lists some of the simply unbelievable things the last administration was doing with YOUR tax dollars.  If you listen to the end there is an interesting new quantum tracker that can now follow every dollar.

 

May not be the same tracker they're talking about, but here you can search keywords and names and it'll give you a and it'll show similar info. The "See USAID grant flow" link on the right draws a flowchart showing how money was distributed through multiple layers to these orgs/individuals.

https://datarepublican.com/officers/?officer_kw=chelsea+clinton

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, Banzai said:

No he didn’t. He said Palestinians would be displaced to other countries and specifically not live in Gaza. Pretty sure that’s the majority of the discontent around what he has said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/04/trump-netanyahu-gaza

If you’re gonna try to take a holier than thou approach to argumentation, maybe first understand basic facts. Otherwise you come across as either entirely ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

I'll say the thing no one wants to admit. There is no future for Gaza with 1.7 million Palestinians in it. Or likely even a couple hundred thousand.

 

They need to be moved. They need to be somewhere where they are not surrounded by people they believe God himself wants them to slaughter. They should be entirely or mostly surrounded by people who they do not believe God himself wants them to slaughter. 

 

It will be another generation before Israel is stupid enough to allow the Palestinians in Gaza to work within their borders. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that reality makes it untenable for the Palestinians to remain in Gaza.

 

The Palestinians in Gaza should be provided land somewhere else, either in the West Bank with the rest of the Palestinians or somewhere else in the Arab world. They should be moved there respectfully but forcefully if necessary, and all humanitarian aid money that will be spent (and it will be in the tens of billions) should go towards building up this new area, big enough to actually support 1.7 million people, and not surrounded by people they hate.

It is possible that Trump realizes this obvious truth, and has figured out that no one is going to stop him. I hope so. 

 

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, gearhog said:

Will they be given the opportunity to return. Yes.

They should not have this option. It invalidates every other thing that you said. 

 

Human migration, willing and unwilling, is just a fact of History.

[gearhog]

3 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

They should not have this option. It invalidates every other thing that you said. 

Human migration, willing and unwilling, is just a fact of History.

I don't see how it's invalidated. It seems that Trump was saying Gaza would be redeveloped to be some sort of an international community represented by people from all over the world. If the people from what was formerly Gaza have the means, desire, and ability to make the move back to the area after being rebuilt, they shouldn't be restricted any moreso than anyone else on the planet who wants to go through the lawful process and pay a fair market rate to reside there simply due to their ethnic origin. I would even support a 10% discount on their first year's rent and (re)building materials at Home Depot.

[Lord Ratner]

50 minutes ago, gearhog said:

I don't see how it's invalidated. It seems that Trump was saying Gaza would be redeveloped to be some sort of an international community represented by people from all over the world. If the people from what was formerly Gaza have the means, desire, and ability to make the move back to the area after being rebuilt, they shouldn't be restricted any moreso than anyone else on the planet who wants to go through the lawful process and pay a fair market rate to reside there simply due to their ethnic origin. I would even support a 10% discount on their first year's rent and (re)building materials at Home Depot.

That was me being unclear. My bad. 

 

What I'm saying is that any plan to return the Palestinians in any meaningful number to Gaza invalidates any plan to rebuild it.

[gearhog]

8 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

That was me being unclear. My bad. 

 

What I'm saying is that any plan to return the Palestinians in any meaningful number to Gaza invalidates any plan to rebuild it.

Agree. I think there should be a multi-national plan to help them relocate out of a construction site. It's the right thing to do and would fulfill any moral obligations to help them get a fresh start. After, if it looks like someplace they would like to live again, I would highly encourage them to fill out an app, agree to the terms, and rent a truck. Say Banzai and a Palestinian both wanted to rent a condo in the Gaza Shores Trump Tower... neither should be given an advantage or disadvantage based upon their religious or ethnic origin. There will certainly be Palestinians who would want to live there, and many that won't. Let them decide. They would have to understand that it would be governed as a US territory, subject to US federal law- not Hamas.

[Lord Ratner]

10 minutes ago, gearhog said:

Agree. I think there should be a multi-national plan to help them relocate out of a construction site. It's the right thing to do and would fulfill any moral obligations to help them get a fresh start. After, if it looks like someplace they would like to live again, I would highly encourage them to fill out an app, agree to the terms, and rent a truck. Say Banzai and a Palestinian both wanted to rent a condo in the Gaza Shores Trump Tower... neither should be given an advantage or disadvantage based upon their religious or ethnic origin. There will certainly be Palestinians who would want to live there, and many that won't. Let them decide. They would have to understand that it would be governed as a US territory, subject to US federal law- not Hamas.

Yes, and to really hammer the point home, any admission or evidence of support for an Islamic extreme ideology would bar entry to this new territory, just as it should to the United States. 

 

Which, in any honest sense of the conversation, means the Palestinians will not be returning to Gaza.

[disgruntledemployee]

6 hours ago, gearhog said:

Why would you get emotional about a possibility, a small one at that, of anything? Are you in constant state of distress over things that have not happened? That's no way to live life. I don't agree with the recent social trend where grown men feel it's acceptable to elevate emotion above reason and expect everyone to marvel at their virtue.

It's been over a year since Palestinians crossed the fence and killed Israelis. It's been over a year since Israel has effectively leveled Gaza. We've been providing them the means to do it. There were US citizens being held hostage. You haven't commented on any of it. But Trump makes a statement on the issue, and you hyperventilate. All he said was Gaza was uninhabitable, it needed rebuilt, and Palestinians would live there. Relax.

Try to analyze the facts: Gaza is leveled. The Palestinian cause has been overwhelmed. Hamas has never been nearer defeat. It's uninhabitable land. It's prime real estate. Someone is going to rebuild it. Who would you rather see take ownership? Israel (with our money)? Iran? Other countries sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians? China? I don't think you have the capacity to understand the complexity of the situation because you only seem to have an opinion if it involves Trump.

Ok? So you believe trans should not be in women's sports? This issue has gone on for years. One man steps up and squashes the issue and within hours the NCAA says you must be assigned female at birth to compete in women's sports. You posted this after Trump signed the EO, but refused to give him any credit. The funny thing about TDS is... it's identifiable to everyone except the people that have it. As a father with daughters who played soccer in HS and college, I very much appreciate this photo:

As has been pointed out, your record for accurate predictions is near zero, yet you keep making them. Again, your perception of the world is contaminated by this derangement. Something is important to you if Trump addresses it. For me, he's just a guy addressing the issues I already find important.

Nice bullshit,  you come up with that all by yourself?  I guess I don't post enough about every issue in the world to establish some stupid online baseline of opinions. Fair.  You got me.

But your TDS, the version that Trump is the second coming and are thus a deranged acolyte, is just sad.  You're the type that when Trump spews dumb shit out of his mouth will just tag it as some brilliant negotiation, versus what it really is, retarded.

PS. Any prediction I make is satire, A because it points out the silliness of the idea, and B because it would probably be bad if it really came true.  But you know that, I think. 

Lastly, I think you need a puppy.  Here.

 

[gearhog]

55 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Nice bullshit,  you come up with that all by yourself?  I guess I don't post enough about every issue in the world to establish some stupid online baseline of opinions. Fair.  You got me.

But your TDS, the version that Trump is the second coming and are thus a deranged acolyte, is just sad.  You're the type that when Trump spews dumb shit out of his mouth will just tag it as some brilliant negotiation, versus what it really is, retarded.

PS. Any prediction I make is satire, A because it points out the silliness of the idea, and B because it would probably be bad if it really came true.  But you know that, I think. 

Lastly, I think you need a puppy.  Here.

You're getting emotional again. Notice that you are still unable to engage on specific issues. The entirely of your baseline opinion is: "Durrr, Trump sucks! And if you agree with him you suck too!"

That's it. Nothing of substance. I brought up specific issues in Gaza and with trans athletes. You can't even begin to form a coherent substantiated argument as to why you feel the way you do, and the only way you can respond is with some variation of "Duhhh.. you is too stupid to tak to."

As to me believe Trump is the second coming. Of what, exactly? I like to deal in facts, and I have been very reserved and reluctant about any support of Trump. Search my posts. See my quote below. I thought much of his campaign was just one ridiculous unrealistic promise after another, but slightly better than the alternative. Now, to see him delivering on many of those promises at a rate I can't keep up with, I'm not ashamed to say it's impressive.

On 11/4/2020 at 7:58 AM, gearhog said:

I was thinking this morning Trump's like the Herc of politicians. Loud, lots of weird noises, not the most handsome on the ramp, requires lots of maintenance, probably smells bad... many people would say it's just generally offensive to most of the senses.

What's with you P.S. ing every post? Are you writing your response down with a quill pen and parchment before you post it? "If I appear dumb, it's because I'm posting satire." Yeah, that's the reason, Lt. Backpedaler.

Why would I need a dopey puppy when you're here mindlessly licking your own balls and bum scooting around the forum?

Edited February 7 by gearhog

[disgruntledemployee]

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

You're getting emotional again. Notice that you are still unable to engage on specific issues. The entirely of your baseline opinion is: "Durrr, Trump sucks! And if you agree with him you suck too!"

That's it. Nothing of substance. I brought up specific issues in Gaza and with trans athletes. You can't even begin to form a coherent substantiated argument as to why you feel the way you do, and the only way you can respond is with some variation of "Duhhh.. you is too stupid to tak to."

Naw man, I read the above and I think you're the emo.

But hey, since you understand Gaza so much, I'm sure your ideas will absolutely work.  Sarcasm switch is still on.

[gearhog]

On 2/5/2025 at 5:18 PM, disgruntledemployee said:

If you're not emotional charged by the possiblity of expending American blood by an occupation of Gaza, you're no better than the asshole generals/pols that push these fights.

4 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Naw man, I read the above and I think you're the emo.

But hey, since you understand Gaza so much, I'm sure your ideas will absolutely work.  Sarcasm switch is still on.

So which is it? First you accuse me of not being emotionally charged, then you accuse me of being emo.

This is the type of "reasoning" some women exhibit who are afflicted with bipolar disorder. if you're going to try and be insulting, at least attempt to remain consistent and not just type whatever your feelings tell you to type in the moment.

It also might help your case to demonstrate some critical thought. Don't like what I have to say about Gaza? Totally cool with that. I have ideas be them good or bad. You're unable to even create one of your own. You're just running and Anti-Trump operating system on a Commodore 64 processor. Just show everyone you have even a little knowledge on the subject, because it appears that the extent of your grasp is "If Trump is for it, I'm not". There's a thousand solid criticisms of this plan. I could argue almost as convincingly against it as I can for it. You can do neither.

 

[StoleIt]

5 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

I'll say the thing no one wants to admit. There is no future for Gaza with 1.7 million Palestinians in it. Or likely even a couple hundred thousand.

 

They need to be moved. They need to be somewhere where they are not surrounded by people they believe God himself wants them to slaughter. They should be entirely or mostly surrounded by people who they do not believe God himself wants them to slaughter. 

 

It will be another generation before Israel is stupid enough to allow the Palestinians in Gaza to work within their borders. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that reality makes it untenable for the Palestinians to remain in Gaza.

 

The Palestinians in Gaza should be provided land somewhere else, either in the West Bank with the rest of the Palestinians or somewhere else in the Arab world. They should be moved there respectfully but forcefully if necessary, and all humanitarian aid money that will be spent (and it will be in the tens of billions) should go towards building up this new area, big enough to actually support 1.7 million people, and not surrounded by people they hate.

It is possible that Trump realizes this obvious truth, and has figured out that no one is going to stop him. I hope so. 

 

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Jordan and Egypt refuse to take them again after the first time was disastrous and they tried to destabilize those respective governments. In fact, nobody (to include the Palestinians) likes the idea: Source

Sadly, I think the status quo is the best way forward with Gaza. Just let them fester in their shit hole but actually monitor their UNRWA activity so it isn't a terrorist jobs laundering business. Also, monitor where the concrete and other rebuilding materials are going for once.

US troops on the ground in Gaza will be Trump's Afghanistan. Another insurgency that has no end and will cost us lives and treasure while any engagement, legal and justified or not, will hurt our image.

It's a regional problem that I'm happy to let Egypt, Jordan, and Israel hammer away at.

[GrndPndr]

4 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

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Lastly, I think you need a puppy.  Here.

 

Thank you!  I am looking for a Labrador like that, which I can use for hunting pheasants later this year.

[17D_guy]

I'm honestly surprised we're talking about the forced migration of the long-term inhabitants of the land like the Trail of Tears was a good thing, and it's "different" than the Soviet's doing the same to Ukraine (and other satellite countries they invaded during/after WW-dos) under Stalin.

I'm often wrong, and again hope that I am; but I don't see anyway that region just goes along with that. It's nation building in a different color of crayon, which I thought we wanted to stop doing? I know I do.

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Yes, and to really hammer the point home, any admission or evidence of support for an Islamic extreme ideology would bar entry to this new territory, just as it should to the United States. 

Which, in any honest sense of the conversation, means the Palestinians will not be returning to Gaza.

Would this "extreme ideology" disqualifier also extend to the Israeli (huh, spelled it right the first time) settlers that would apply?

Note - I'm newly back, and not asking shit to be snarky or going to make rude comments. I'm here to understand in a forum I'm clearly an outlier in but we have a shared experience that makes comms easier in some ways.

[GKinnear]

2 hours ago, StoleIt said:

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Jordan and Egypt refuse to take them again after the first time was disastrous and they tried to destabilize those respective governments. In fact, nobody (to include the Palestinians) likes the idea: Source

Sadly, I think the status quo is the best way forward with Gaza. Just let them fester in their shit hole but actually monitor their UNRWA activity so it isn't a terrorist jobs laundering business. Also, monitor where the concrete and other rebuilding materials are going for once.

US troops on the ground in Gaza will be Trump's Afghanistan. Another insurgency that has no end and will cost us lives and treasure while any engagement, legal and justified or not, will hurt our image.

It's a regional problem that I'm happy to let Egypt, Jordan, and Israel hammer away at.

Look up Black September and the PLO attack against the King in Jordan.  Palestinian political power can't get along with anyone...to include a country that is populated with the same people and culture as them.

Any goodwill the other countries may have to accept refugees has been burned by the Palestinians themselves.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

Would this "extreme ideology" disqualifier also extend to the Israeli (huh, spelled it right the first time) settlers that would apply?

If those Israeli settlers agree with or would celebrate the rape and murder of Palestinian (or any) women and children in their homes, then yes, they should be disqualified. 

[ClearedHot]

Trump revoked Biden's security clearance today.

[BashiChuni]

good. all these assholes (R&D) should be read out of every clearance when they leave office or government. crazy that they keep it.

[Biff_T]

7 hours ago, StoleIt said:

Nobody wants the Palestinians.

Put them in Greenland. 

[SurelySerious]

Put them in Greenland. 

Don’t you put that evil on Greenland, Ricky Bobby.

[Boomer6]

I'd like to see the Arab Nations put their money where their mouth is and rebuild. Only, instead of rebuilding a shit hole they put some serious $$$ into infrastructure, schools, hospitals, hell even resorts etc. Possibly make it something akin to the Vatican. Overall, give the next generation a big lift out of severe poverty and stop them from being bred into hate. They could provide scholarships to all the kids to top universities across the world, or just build a world class university in Gaza itself.

We could leverage surrounding Arab states (Jordan being the primary) to administer Gaza, and charge them with also rooting out and preventing extremism. They'd act as a relatively friendly buffer between Palestinians and Israelis.

A pipe dream for sure, but the Saudis alone have more than enough money to make this happen. Maybe DJT can make something like this happen, but I won't hold my breath.

[uhhello]

10 minutes ago, Boomer6 said:

I'd like to see the Arab Nations put their money where their mouth is and rebuild. Only, instead of rebuilding a shit hole they put some serious $$$ into infrastructure, schools, hospitals, hell even resorts etc. Possibly make it something akin to the Vatican. Overall, give the next generation a big lift out of severe poverty and stop them from being bred into hate. They could provide scholarships to all the kids to top universities across the world, or just build a world class university in Gaza itself.

We could leverage surrounding Arab states (Jordan being the primary) to administer Gaza, and charge them with also rooting out and preventing extremism. They'd act as a relatively friendly buffer between Palestinians and Israelis.

A pipe dream for sure, but the Saudis alone have more than enough money to make this happen. Maybe DJT can make something like this happen, but I won't hold my breath.