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[Sua Sponte]

5 minutes ago, frog said:

Enjoy it while it lasts. Your team is going to get all the crap the civilians do as additional duties. It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester.

Shrinking the workforce is a great thing. Doing it by cutting the youngest, most ambitious people without eliminating the dumb requirements is asinine. We are going to keep 60 year old Bob that has worked  in XP for the last 40 years and fire a 20 year old that keeps your electricity on. 

I took a $35K pay cut, leaving the private sector to be a federal employee. If I need to, I'll find somewhere to work (with private sector salaries). It's the 60-year-old Bob in XP who retired as an E-6 and has never worked in the private sector, like you said, the ones who need to be removed. 

[GrndPndr]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

AI? Interestingly I just saw an X post that they suspect some cases of dead/non-existent people (or at least non-existent at work ever, literally) on the fed payroll. In those cases there won’t be an answered email, or that’s the thought at least. I’m guessing cooler heads prevail and nobody on leave is getting fired, and in the end this is well-intentioned, but poorly executed with low SA on salient points like people on leave, traveling with limited email connectivity, people who actually are doing shit that matters instead of mouth breathing on email, etc.

I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer).  All due to a lack of supervision.

Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock.

[17D_guy]

24 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Unfortunately there's no alternative. We have spent decades pretending like we are going to get things cleaned up, and in those decades the only thing that has happened is that things have gotten worse. We have gotten to the "shit or get off the pot" phase, and as much as I hate to see people like you in jeopardy, I am more concerned about my kids and their kids and their kids. We are on the unsustainable path that becomes more catastrophic the longer we are on it.

Some one else posted how Clinton did it.

 

18 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

I know this may seem strange to someone who's been in the government for a long time, but everything you're describing is just "life in the private sector."

 

That's not to say this email or some of the other things they're doing are master classes in administrative procedure, but it's hard to disagree with the underlying goal when people complain about having to work on a weekend to read an email. 

 

Our government is bloated and inefficient. That means to fix it, there will be fewer people with .gov jobs. I hope that's not your wife, but it's going to be someone's wife. 

 

If you have friends in corporate America you should ask them about "unpaid" weekends and surprise layoffs. This has been very tame in comparison.

I'm in the private sector. I have laid off multiple people in my company, multiple times for bullshit reasons. So get fucked with your "you don't know what it's like" bullshit paternalism.

You know when I work weekends I get compensated. If not me directly, at least the org charges hours, because we don't work for free. Then I/we get a bonus at some point.

Again, this is the exact shit you all claimed to hate when you were AD with bad commanders/leaders. Didn't matter if someone else posted it from a different unit "sucks bro" or "here's how to avoid that, technique only." But now it's fine for some of you. The hypocrisy is real since the Fed employees can just be "the other."

And if this was mission related she and her workforce would be there ASAP. But it's not. It's the same fuck fuck games many here claimed to hate.

[17D_guy]

Just now, GrndPndr said:

I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer).  All due to a lack of supervision.

Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock.

So you failed to FWA report them. Nice.

[nsplayr]

11 minutes ago, frog said:

Enjoy it while it lasts. Your team is going to get all the crap the civilians do as additional duties. It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester.

Shrinking the workforce is a great thing. Doing it by cutting the youngest, most ambitious people without eliminating the dumb requirements is asinine. We are going to keep 60 year old Bob that has worked  in XP for the last 40 years and fire a 20 year old that keeps your electricity on. 

💯

They got this completely ass backwards. If you want to make the civil service more efficient and leaner, start with a robust early retirement program. Those near retirement have the most entrenched fiefs, the most out of touch mentality, and are often the hardest to dislodge. Not all, there’s a wealth of knowledge in some folks, but too many who are longest in the tooth are just ROAD and standing in the way.

Cutting off probationary folks (which doesn’t correlate with new or bad), strangling your recruiting pipeline and implementing broad hiring freezes is going to do significant long-term damage.

If you started with early retirements, empowered agency heads and supervisors to make determinations about cuts in places where there’s bloat, and also paired cuts with the elimination of bullshit taskers, I’m in.

What’s happening now is about “traumatizing the federal workforce” and cruelty is the point. Literal direct words from the mouth of the guy who’s now leading OMB. Is this the type of leadership yall voted for?? Actually, it is, I don’t even need to ask the question.

 

“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” Vought said in a video revealed by ProPublica and the research group Documented in October. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work, because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down … We want to put them in trauma.”
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/who-is-russell-vought-trump-office-of-management-and-budget

[pbar]

The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise."  How about we turn the car around or at least parallel to the cliff?  

Edited 3 hours ago by pbar

[nsplayr]

You cannot austerity your way to prosperity. Keep your GDP growing and your debt problems are OBE. Halt or slow growth and not only are you worse off short-term, you’re worse off long-term.

And if debt is your biggest concern I look forward to your vigorous opposition to the GOP spending bill that needs to get passed sometime in the next 3 weeks. Current draft bills add something like $1T to the debt.

[nsplayr]

5 minutes ago, pbar said:

The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise."  How about we turn the car around?  

Even in your analogy the smart thing to do (in a manual) is downshift to get some engine braking and smoothly apply the brakes while maintaining control of the vehicle.

If you just slam the brakes + e-brake while turning the wheel hard right, you probably flip your car and end up at the bottom of the cliff looking like the Delta flight up in Toronto.

I know many of you guys are leaders. Do you make snap decisions with wild ramifications, do zero coordination, and then have a CSS SrA blast them out via email at 9pm on Saturday with a deadline of Monday at noon?

You do not.

The ends do not justify these shitty means, even if you agree with the ultimate ends.

[17D_guy]

7 minutes ago, pbar said:

The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise."  How about we turn the car around or at least parallel to the cliff?  

Been hearing about the debt my entire life with promises from Reagan on down to fix it. During that time the wealth divide increased and middle class families that could afford to have a parent at home have been disappearing. Real wages and purchasing power for normal Americans (not you or I) have gone down.

Only a Democratic President balanced the budget and ran a surplus. Trump added more to the deficit before Covid with his cuts. The latest R funding bill adds more to the deficit. But wrap yourself in the "party of fiscal responsibility" while Trump wastes millions golfing more than Obama ever did.

[nsplayr]

State, NOAA, NASA and the FBI are non-complying with the OPM email demands.

Are recently-confirmed Trump appointees Rubio and Kash Patel not sufficiently compliant with the President’s agenda?

No - to their credit they are asserting that agency heads control personnel decisions within their agencies and also make the decisions on employee performance standards and who does what & when. Not some ketamine-addicted, unelected billionaire and his goon squad of 19 year old discord bois.

Edited 3 hours ago by nsplayr

[Prosuper]

3 minutes ago, GrndPndr said:

I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer).  All due to a lack of supervision.

Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock.

Had a guy, useless POS, who showed up just enough to keep his health insurance, we shamed our supervisor into doing his job and start separation paperwork. When he did show up to work it was for free because he was so far in the hole, he had to pay Uncle Sam for keeping him on the payroll. Until Jan 20, the only way a Fed could get fired is not show up to work. I do feel empathy for the probationary guys let go, some of them waiting for years for a position to open up. But for the ones who were there because there was an open seat on the bus breathing oxygen that a productive human being can use, enjoy the private sector.

[blueingreen]

1 minute ago, nsplayr said:

State and the FBI are non-complying with the OPM email demands.

To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond.

[BuddhaSixFour]

44 minutes ago, frog said:

It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester.

That’ll be a stellar what did you do last week email. 

[nsplayr]

28 minutes ago, blueingreen said:

To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond.

Cool, I didn’t know that. Why is OPM emailing them then?

Follow-ups: if DoD isn’t under OPM are my technicians and T5 folks eligible for the “fork” deferred resignation program? Why were they emailed if not? What if they replied in the affirmative but are not actually eligible? Who do OPM email distros include hundreds of thousands of folks not under their purview?

They're going about all of this less than 10% cocked, let alone half-cocked. It’s not ready-FIRE-aim, it’s just FIRE.

I always tell my guys never go off half-cocked, always do your job with a full cock.

Edited 3 hours ago by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

13 minutes ago, BuddhaSixFour said:

That’ll be a stellar what did you do last week email. 

- 237 dicks gazed

- 87 gallons of piss collected

- 690 man-hours wasted

[Sua Sponte]

26 minutes ago, blueingreen said:

To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond.

Then why did I, a DoD employee, get the email at 1 am today? Then why did Elon's tweet say "federal employees" instead of specifying agencies? It's almost like he thinks he's our CEO and can do what he wants, however, he's learning that's not necessarily the case.

[ViperMan]

 

2 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Cool story bro.

Wife has to recall all her sections today so she can tell them to read the email. Which they can't do from home anymore...so what's the fucking point? 

Also, she and they are not allowed to charge that time...so fucking up a weekend and working for free.

She's a prior aircrew (EWO) vet, and all her people are worried. They aren't active duty and this shit is basically harassment to get folks to quit.

This is the exact shit people complain about on the "what's wrong with the Air Force" thread, but because it's someone else being impacted and "your team" you don't give a shit.

This, most assuredly, is not what people are complaining about in that thread. That whole discussion is about self-imposed flagellation in one way or another. This is totally different. It's a one-off requirement to finally deal with some of the massive, obvious bloat that has become endemic in our government - which has really become a massive jobs program.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

When folks write stuff like the above comments, please just auto-translate it to:

”The ends justify the means.”

It's not so much that the ends justify the means. It's more the structure of our government bloat, and the way things don't function properly necessitating the means. I know we don't agree. This is just different perspective. It boils down to a fundamental disagreement we have about finances. You think we can just grow our way out of this. I understand that our position in the world is made ever more fragile as we dilute the reserve currency of the world. It's not pretty, but we've gotten ourselves into a mess where we have no choice but to face down some pretty tough times. It's sad. I wish it wasn't the case. But it's where we are. One way or another, dramatic cuts were coming.

22 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

- 237 dicks gazed

- 87 gallons of piss collected

- 690 man-hours wasted

I'd prefer that data be masked...

Edit to add: Also, dude, with that ratio of dicks to gallons of piss, there had to be some real horse-penises in there.

Edited 2 hours ago by ViperMan

[nsplayr]

24 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

Edit to add: Also, dude, with that ratio of dicks to gallons of piss, there had to be some real horse-penises in there.

Look if you guys aren’t pissing nearly 50oz per piss test, do you even hydrate??

Edited 2 hours ago by nsplayr

[BuddhaSixFour]

37 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

I'd prefer that data be masked...

DOGE demands transparency at all levels… ALL LEVELS. 

[BuddhaSixFour]

21 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Look if you guys aren’t pissing nearly 50oz per piss test, do you even hydrate?

Hydrate or die. 

Sometimes the right strategy is Shock and Awe. 

Helps dilute the weed.

If you don’t have anything to hide, why wouldn’t you leave 10% of your body mass in the cup?

Renewable hydro power is part of a liberal agenda. We need to reduce this to a trickle!

You go to war with the bladder you have, not necessarily the bladder you want. 
 

Edited 2 hours ago by BuddhaSixFour

[blueingreen]

46 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Cool, I didn’t know that. Why is OPM emailing them then?

Follow-ups: if DoD isn’t under OPM are my technicians and T5 folks eligible for the “fork” deferred resignation program? Why were they emailed if not? What if they replied in the affirmative but are not actually eligible? Who do OPM email distros include hundreds of thousands of folks not under their purview?

38 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Then why did I, a DoD employee, get the email at 1 am today? Then why did Elon's tweet say "federal employees" instead of specifying agencies? It's almost like he thinks he's our CEO and can do what he wants, however, he's learning that's not necessarily the case.

I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure.

OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters.

It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception.

[17D_guy]

7 minutes ago, blueingreen said:

I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure.

OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters.

It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception.

You'd think the geniuses at DOGE could put in a rule to not send to ".mil" but that's too hard apparently.

How many more "it's easier to not be the professionals they claim to be" before the masks fall off?

How does that work for the DOD civs that took the buyout...is that an exception to what you've stated above.

[blueingreen]

6 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

You'd think the geniuses at DOGE could put in a rule to not send to ".mil" but that's too hard apparently.

How many more "it's easier to not be the professionals they claim to be" before the masks fall off?

How does that work for the DOD civs that took the buyout...is that an exception to what you've stated above.

I'm genuinely asking you because I'm still a wannabe fighter pilot going through the rush / application process and you'll have more experience with this: Don't federal civilian employees who fall under OPM purview still use ".mil" email addresses? That's the kind of stuff I was imagining might be annoying to comb through on an agency-by-agency basis.

Edited 2 hours ago by blueingreen

[disgruntledemployee]

OK.  Seems like plenty here think this is the best way to date to get rid of useless sacks.

So send Elon an email, be sure to CC Big Ballz, and name names.  Mr Baggo Schitt, Remover of Spider Webs from Shrubbery, Wing X, Base Y, State Z.  Add toxic leaderships too.

Post results.

[SurelySerious]

I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure.
OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters.
It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception.

Sounds like all those phishing cyberattacks I had to identify in cyberawareness for years. If I check my email and find it, now I know how to report it.