The Congressman is back yo

[Vetter]

Analysis of Ray Epps Jan 6 Testimony

I‘m working my way through Ray Epps transcript to the Jan 6th committee.  Kinzinger is balls deep in this and his questioning throughout seems odd.  Very leading.  Here’s some of the same things I thought while reading.

 

The guy is crooked.

[Springer]

EVERYONE Knew this was coming ...

[Lord Ratner]

21 hours ago, Vetter said:

Analysis of Ray Epps Jan 6 Testimony

I‘m working my way through Ray Epps transcript to the Jan 6th committee.  Kinzinger is balls deep in this and his questioning throughout seems odd.  Very leading.  Here’s some of the same things I thought while reading.

 

The guy is crooked.

Incredible. So Kinzinger is a liar in addition to an attention whore. Woof.

[Vetter]

Who is this and why is he grabbing the little bitches ass?

[General Chang]

2 hours ago, Vetter said:

Who is this and why is he grabbing the little bitches ass?

Looks like the 3 AF/CC, Maj Gen Derek France.  Interesting.

[Vetter]

After seeing just a few clips of the January 6th footage that came out today, Adam Kinzinger needs to rot in hell.  You know he had all this info from the Jan 6th Committee. He stood by and watched fellow veterans being persecuted by their government.  Absolute piece of shit.  I would refuse to share a cockpit with him.

[WAG]

17 minutes ago, Vetter said:

After seeing just a few clips of the January 6th footage that came out today, Adam Kinzinger needs to rot in hell.  You know he had all this info from the Jan 6th Committee. He stood by and watched fellow veterans being persecuted by their government.  Absolute piece of shit.  I would refuse to share a cockpit with him.

What a disgrace and embarrassment to our profession and country.  Many of you fell for his dogoodisms. Be better. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by WAG

[HercDude]

45 minutes ago, Vetter said:

After seeing just a few clips of the January 6th footage that came out today, Adam Kinzinger needs to rot in hell.  You know he had all this info from the Jan 6th Committee. He stood by and watched fellow veterans being persecuted by their government.  Absolute piece of shit.  I would refuse to share a cockpit with him.

I've seen enough of January 6th to form my own opinion, but can you link to what you are specifically talking about here?

[Vetter]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1632953663822913536?s=20

[FourFans]

57 minutes ago, Vetter said:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1632953663822913536?s=20

You think "The Congressman" has the balls to show his face on this forum again?  

After everything I've seen, only one word comes to mind to describe that guy: Coward

@congressman

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by FourFans130

[Vetter]

I just wonder who is paying him?  Who paid his book advance?

[Prozac]

11 hours ago, Vetter said:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1632953663822913536?s=20

Ahhh, so Tucker releases a few videos and says “see, all those people were just peaceful tourists”, and you take him at face value? You can have whatever opinion you want on whatever politician, but let’s get a few facts straight. Those people were not part of the guided Capitol tour. They broke through police lines and barricades and entered the building illegally. Were some of them calm and “peaceful”? Probably. But there were plenty who were willing to assault police officers and more than a few explicit threats directed at the lives politicians. Sorry, but when you join the angry mob, MAGA, woke, or otherwise, you’re signing up for potential unpleasant consequences. Veterans of all people should’ve understood the ramifications of the event they were choosing to participate in. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and all that. 

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Ahhh, so Tucker releases a few videos and says “see, all those people were just peaceful tourists”, and you take him at face value? You can have whatever opinion you want on whatever politician, but let’s get a few facts straight. Those people were not part of the guided Capitol tour. They broke through police lines and barricades and entered the building illegally. Were some of them calm and “peaceful”? Probably. But there were plenty who were willing to assault police officers and more than a few explicit threats directed at the lives politicians. Sorry, but when you join the angry mob, MAGA, woke, or otherwise, you’re signing up for potential unpleasant consequences. Veterans of all people should’ve understood the ramifications of the event they were choosing to participate in. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and all that. 

Agreed. I think it's disingenuous to call it an "armed insurrection", but I think it's equally disingenuous to dismiss it as "peaceful tourists".

It was clearly a riot, not dissimilar from the ones the right was screaming about through the summer of 2020. Not an insurrection, but clearly criminal behavior. 

[Pooter]

13 hours ago, Vetter said:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1632953663822913536?s=20

There's thousands of hours of violent riot footage. The fact that Tucker can piece together 5 minutes of people milling around proves nothing.. other than the fact he's a political hack eager jump on the tiniest shred of video that confirms his biases. 
 

Get it together and do some critical thinking, dudes. This wasn't a near-insurrection but it sure f-ing wasn't a docile guided tour either. Some of the crap you guys post here looks like it came straight out a boomer spam email forwarding chain.

[FLEA]

I watched the movie Chicago 7 the other night, did some homework afterwards, and I realized there were a lot of nuances and similarities in how both of those events played out. The Chicago 7 were ultimately all acquitted where as most of the organizers involved in Jan 6 were convicted. I do not believe the Jan 6 organizers were quite as clean as the Chicago 7 though. The Chicago 7 specifically went to Chicago with an agenda item of not inciting a riot, and not making the police a target of the protest. I do not believe the Jan 6 organizers explicitly listed this as a goal, and because of that absence you could imply negligence. 

Anyway, the movie is a good portrayal oh how nuances in language can be taken out of context in minor ways to cause large angry mobs to react unpredictably. 

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

Get it together and do some critical thinking, dudes. This wasn't a near-insurrection but it sure f-ing wasn't a docile guided tour either. Some of the crap you guys post here looks like it came straight out a boomer spam email forwarding chain.

Wait…so was Jan 6th a violent insurrection or not?  Because the left has told us that it was.

[BashiChuni]

worse than 9/11 and pearl harbor

[Pooter]

37 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Wait…so was Jan 6th a violent insurrection or not?  Because the left has told us that it was.

Definitely violent and definitely a riot. Some of the particularly low IQ people in attendance probably thought they were taking control of the government as well. But that doesn't make the whole thing an insurrection or mean the country was on the verge of collapse, or that it's worse than 9/11 or pearl harbor. That's left wing alarmist nonsense.  
 

And tuckers argument that there's nothing to see here is right wing minimizing, excuse making, equivocating garbage. 
 

So in conclusion, as per the usual arrangement, both sides of the legacy media are an abject dumpster fire. 

[M2]

OK, given other recent "protests" where the government didn't react when they should, I have a tough time considering 6 Jan to be "definitely violent and definitely a riot" or anything close to being an "insurrection."

Anyone with a lick of common sense knows it wasn't, and compared to Portland and Seattle is was somewhat tame in comparison; but for some reason those "events" didn't garner a House Select Committee despite doing far more damage.

No, 6 Jan was political theater from both sides.  Trump is and will remain an asshole for stirring people up to run off like an angry mob of idiotic peasants, but there was a precedence for it being allowed. 

The Democrats are trying to garner sympathy and support by claiming it was an attempt to overthrow the government, but have no excuse why they didn't respond to Antifa riots.  

Neither are right, and we all know it!

The question is, is there anything to gain through continuing with this nonsense, or like most government initiatives, it is another colossal waste of time and money?!?

[Pooter]

36 minutes ago, M2 said:

OK, given other recent "protests" where the government didn't react when they should, I have a tough time considering 6 Jan to be "definitely violent and definitely a riot" or anything close to being an "insurrection."

Anyone with a lick of common sense knows it wasn't, and compared to Portland and Seattle is was somewhat tame in comparison; but for some reason those "events" didn't garner a House Select Committee despite doing far more damage.

No, 6 Jan was political theater from both sides.  Trump is and will remain an asshole for stirring people up to run off like an angry mob of idiotic peasants, but there was a precedence for it being allowed. 

The Democrats are trying to garner sympathy and support by claiming it was an attempt to overthrow the government, but have no excuse why they didn't respond to Antifa riots.  

Neither are right, and we all know it!

The question is, is there anything to gain through continuing with this nonsense, or like most government initiatives, it is another colossal waste of time and money?!?

Of course it's a waste of time and money. But if democrats incited a riot that happened in the capitol building of our country during an election certification vote, you and I both know the right would have a political theater conniption too. 

Dems are going to milk this for everything it's worth, and they'd be stupid not too. If you don't want useless committees and hearings calling your party evil insurrectionists, maybe don't give democrats the best ammunition ever. 
 

edit: final put.. I don't know about you but Jan 6th didn't feel like a run of the mill riot to me.  There have been a lot of riots in this country in the time I've been alive, but I only remember one time when the riot was inside the literal capitol building.. in direct response to a vote currently in progress.. for the presidency.. egged on by the guy who lost the presidency. That feels pretty damn unique to me.  

Edited March 7, 2023 by Pooter

[tac airlifter]

40 minutes ago, Pooter said:

And tuckers argument that there's nothing to see here is right wing minimizing, excuse making, equivocating garbage. 

This characterization of Tucker Carlson‘s reporting is not how I interpreted his story.  I’m curious how you reached this conclusion, and would like to hear your viewpoint.

I have not followed the January 6 story very closely and have only seen wave top talking points from both sides.  But I understood his report to be focused on using video evidence to undermine conclusions the January 6 congressional investigation reached, and show that for partisan reasons they misconstrued actual facts and misinformed the public.  I did not see minimizing, or excuse making.  Can you cite specifics?

Jan 6 was definitely a riot and there was violence.  Many of us watched these events live & there is no denying those things happened.  And I didn’t see Tucker deny it in the report; if I missed it, please show me.  However, he did point out that many things we thought were true were not true: the Capitol police literally escorted that crazy dude dressed like a buffalo through the building, he didn’t break in.  There was definitely no armed insurrection, and the police officer was not beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. I heard January 6 committee members say that multiple police officers were killed, totally false.  We’ve been told things that weren’t true.  Personally, I’m just tired of being lied to. I did not feel lied to after listening to his reporting.  

Full disclosure: I thought the cops were insanely soft on those rioters.  Had I been a cop on a barricade protecting the capital while legislators did their work, and a group of people had stormed my barricade, I would’ve been shooting fools 100%.  Why on earth did the cops open the doors?  Why on earth did the FBI have informants inciting the crowd?  The highly partisan Jan 6 committee did not deliver objective reporting to our country.  I’m not saying Tucker Carlson did, but your outright dismissal of his reporting is more shallow than I’m accustomed to from your posts.

[Vetter]

Adam Kinzinger, an Air Force Officer, who swore the same oath to our Constitution, ignored clear evidence that exonerated fellow veterans and citizens.  His committee edited video for political reasons.  Why did he do this?

[tac airlifter]

 

This is J6 day two opening monologue; he fully acknowledges massive security failures at the capital.  His point is that we do not have a good idea of what transpired because facts have been hidden and the congressional committee, which was highly partisan, selectively edited footage that has been released. Where is the “right wing minimizing and equivocating?”  Journalists are supposed to uncover all aspects of a story allowing readers to make up their minds.  Chuck Schumer is openly calling for this to be censored, which is outrageous.

[BashiChuni]

Schumer and McConnell are both domestic enemies. Both are bought and paid for. 
 

so is our little Air Force boy adam. 

Edited March 8, 2023 by BashiChuni

[Pooter]

7 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

This characterization of Tucker Carlson‘s reporting is not how I interpreted his story.  I’m curious how you reached this conclusion, and would like to hear your viewpoint.

I have not followed the January 6 story very closely and have only seen wave top talking points from both sides.  But I understood his report to be focused on using video evidence to undermine conclusions the January 6 congressional investigation reached, and show that for partisan reasons they misconstrued actual facts and misinformed the public.  I did not see minimizing, or excuse making.  Can you cite specifics?

Jan 6 was definitely a riot and there was violence.  Many of us watched these events live & there is no denying those things happened.  And I didn’t see Tucker deny it in the report; if I missed it, please show me.  However, he did point out that many things we thought were true were not true: the Capitol police literally escorted that crazy dude dressed like a buffalo through the building, he didn’t break in.  There was definitely no armed insurrection, and the police officer was not beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. I heard January 6 committee members say that multiple police officers were killed, totally false.  We’ve been told things that weren’t true.  Personally, I’m just tired of being lied to. I did not feel lied to after listening to his reporting.  

Full disclosure: I thought the cops were insanely soft on those rioters.  Had I been a cop on a barricade protecting the capital while legislators did their work, and a group of people had stormed my barricade, I would’ve been shooting fools 100%.  Why on earth did the cops open the doors?  Why on earth did the FBI have informants inciting the crowd?  The highly partisan Jan 6 committee did not deliver objective reporting to our country.  I’m not saying Tucker Carlson did, but your outright dismissal of his reporting is more shallow than I’m accustomed to from your posts.

I've reached that viewpoint based on the body of his coverage of Jan 6th which seeks to generally minimize and downplay the severity of the event. As a result, he latches onto anything, no matter how small, which feeds that narrative. This video is just the most recent example. 
 

Putting aside that this is a 5 minute compilation in a sea of violence and mayhem, there are plenty of non-conspiracy explanations for why the cops were nice to buffalo guy for 5 minutes. 

-the capitol is a large building and the cops in the video didn't know what was happening yet

-this occurred early prior to violence breaking out

-they were vastly outnumbered surrounded by thousands of rioters

I find the third explanation particularly convincing. Put yourself in their shoes. You're a low rent cop in a building that's already been evacuated and now you're surrounded by 10,000 maga nutcases. Do you:

a) be nice to them and prevent escalation

b) start unloading with your service weapon, guaranteeing a panic, and probably get trampled/assaulted to death 

c) arrest buffalo guy and march out the front door.. and probably get trampled/assaulted to death

If I was a betting man, Id say most of the cops left in the building by the time it was breached.. at least the smart ones.. went with option A.

Pop quiz: what are the first two things they teach you in the hostage portion of SERE?

-Do and say everything you can to avoid being killed immediately

-build rapport