Walkerdubs Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 As someone who really wants to joint the fighter community, how the hell does one get into ENJJPT? I've asked IPs from EN tails, my cadre, former eagle and viper drivers and the best answer I have gotten is a big fat no ing clue. Some say GPA some say DG at field training, Commander's ranking, PCSM, flight hours, the whole nine. I have yet to get a solid answer and it's been chewing me up inside.My current scores are 89 Pilot 85 Nav3.2 GPA Aerospace EngineeringHaven't taken TBAS yet so no PCSM. What y'all got for me?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 1
Walkerdubs Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 Active duty Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1
jspace17 Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 I second this question as a recent active duty applicant. I'd love to get into ENJJPT and want to know more
Walkerdubs Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 have a pulseSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2
Walkerdubs Posted March 3, 2017 Author Posted March 3, 2017 I like that the thread I made about UPT female relations has exploded but this one, an actual question is all but ignoredSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 6
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Speaking from the AFROTC side, the biggest factors were PCSM and then GPA, in that order. Guys could in essence often "buy" an ENJJPT slot by paying for a ton of hours or a PPL to get that 100 PCSM. What's your commissioning source? 1
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 You can only get a 99 PCSM...You're right, I dun goofed, but the point stands. People sometimes buy their pilot/ENJJPT slots.
Ulysses Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Seems like it'd be money well spent, no? Especially if you want to track T-38sOh absolutely, if I had the money I probably would've done so myself. I just take some issue with it because I'm sure there are guys out there who would make great pilots but don't have the money to invest there.
Magic24 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I believe on the OTS side there's an ENJJPT interview process while you're there.
Walkerdubs Posted March 3, 2017 Author Posted March 3, 2017 Speaking from the AFROTC side, the biggest factors were PCSM and then GPA, in that order. Guys could in essence often "buy" an ENJJPT slot by paying for a ton of hours or a PPL to get that 100 PCSM. What's your commissioning source?My source is DET 028 AFROTC Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
FlyingC!rkus Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 3/4/2017 at 8:08 AM, Magic24 said: I believe on the OTS side there's an ENJJPT interview process while you're there. Yes, while in OTS all pilot applicants will have a face to face interview with the board and from that they determine 1 maybe 2 applicants to go to ENJJPT. From my OTS board one guy was a former nfl football player with lots of flight time and the other was a scientist at the CERN labratory. On 3/2/2017 at 2:43 PM, Walkerdubs said: As someone who really wants to joint the fighter community, how the hell does one get into ENJJPT? I've asked IPs from EN tails, my cadre, former eagle and viper drivers and the best answer I have gotten is a big fat no ing clue. Some say GPA some say DG at field training, Commander's ranking, PCSM, flight hours, the whole nine. I have yet to get a solid answer and it's been chewing me up inside. My current scores are 89 Pilot 85 Nav 3.2 GPA Aerospace Engineering Haven't taken TBAS yet so no PCSM. What y'all got for me? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Its not one thing, but normally being a stud in all things... at least from the guys I have seen go. DG from OTS and then DG in their CSO/ABM training with lots of flight hours and ratings. I am sure that doesnt mean all who go to ENJJPT are like that, but the guys I have seen go fit this to the T. Are you Active Duty now or going through OTS/ROTC? 1
Walkerdubs Posted March 5, 2017 Author Posted March 5, 2017 Its not one thing, but normally being a stud in all things... at least from the guys I have seen go. DG from OTS and then DG in their CSO/ABM training with lots of flight hours and ratings. I am sure that doesnt mean all who go to ENJJPT are like that, but the guys I have seen go fit this to the T. Are you Active Duty now or going through OTS/ROTC?I am a Cadet ROTC Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2
Duck Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Wanna have some fun? Look up where the average ENJJPT Grads finished in the B-courses over the last 6 years when they changed the selection method...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
Bobsan Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 40 minutes ago, Duck said: Look up where the average ENJJPT Grads finished in the B-courses over the last 6 years when they changed the selection method... Could it be accent comprehension or lost in translation factors that contribute to this?
Kenny Powers Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Wanna have some fun? Look up where the average ENJJPT Grads finished in the B-courses over the last 6 years when they changed the selection method...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsFlying fighters.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk 2
Duck Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Shack... kills a kill..?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
tk1313 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 15 hours ago, Duck said: Wanna have some fun? Look up where the average ENJJPT Grads finished in the B-courses over the last 6 years when they changed the selection method... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Do ENJJPT studs have a higher B-course washout rate now? What changed in the selection method?
Duck Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I'm not bashing on ENJJPT. It has its good and bad. In the past it was used as a shock absorber and a lot of guys got heavies out of there. Although billed as a fighter centric training, its feast or famine with respect for actually getting a fighter. Which sucks because a lot of good guys have gotten the shaft, while a lot of guys who wouldn't have gotten a fighter at any other base will get one at Sheppard all thanks to the flavor of the week at AFPC.As far as the selection method, I can't speak to what exactly changed, but I was briefed that the weights had changed and the average student going through is not the same breakdown as 10 years ago.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1
Duck Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 As far as washouts I only know of a couple personally and was not surprised by any of them.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
tk1313 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 33 minutes ago, Duck said: I'm not bashing on ENJJPT. It has its good and bad. In the past it was used as a shock absorber and a lot of guys got heavies out of there. Although billed as a fighter centric training, its feast or famine with respect for actually getting a fighter. Which sucks because a lot of good guys have gotten the shaft, while a lot of guys who wouldn't have gotten a fighter at any other base will get one at Sheppard all thanks to the flavor of the week at AFPC. As far as the selection method, I can't speak to what exactly changed, but I was briefed that the weights had changed and the average student going through is not the same breakdown as 10 years ago. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums What about a guard/reserve guy that gets picked up by a fighter unit? I personally know one guy that is being told to request Sheppard to get the "fighter-oriented" training, and obviously he's on board. Any opinion on whether or not that decision will help/hurt his chances at B-course? I know attitude is what makes or breaks someone, but just looking for opinions on B-course performance of ENJJPT guys vs guys who tracked T-38's from another base.
Kenny Powers Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 What about a guard/reserve guy that gets picked up by a fighter unit? I personally know one guy that is being told to request Sheppard to get the "fighter-oriented" training, and obviously he's on board. Any opinion on whether or not that decision will help/hurt his chances at B-course? I know attitude is what makes or breaks someone, but just looking for opinions on B-course performance of ENJJPT guys vs guys who tracked T-38's from another base.Dude, it doesn't matter. If you graduate and get through IFF, once you're at the B-course your success will be based on how much effort you put it and how much the bros in your class work together.Nobody will give a shit about the last base you were at.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk 3
Kenny Powers Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I should add, as a guard guy who went through ENJJPT, I prefered it there for a few reasons.First, I think it's the best located UPT base out of all of them.Second, I didn't have to move to go to IFF and I could sandbag the program, which gave me a leg up on what to expect before starting.Third, flying and partying with the NATO bros was a blast. There's always something going on.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk 2
Bobsan Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 3/2/2017 at 0:43 AM, Walkerdubs said: how the hell does one get into ENJJPT? I've asked IPs from EN tails, my cadre, former eagle and viper drivers and the best answer I have gotten is a big fat no ing clue Have you read through the ENJJPT Information thread here? There's a lot of useful information and some good answers to your question: www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/5445-enjjpt-information 1
Duck Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Dude, it doesn't matter. If you graduate and get through IFF, once you're at the B-course your success will be based on how much effort you put it and how much the bros in your class work together.Nobody will give a shit about the last base you were at.Sent from my SM-G920V using TapatalkThis. As a Guard Guy, who isn't at the whim of AFPC, your success will be a direct correlation to the effort and natural ability you have. Don't get me wrong, I love ENJJPT, it is just that the pendulum swings here tend to either send a ton of guys to fighters that shouldn't, or relegate some great students to airframes that they don't deserve (RPAs included). I fully expect to see some names on CNN one day of a student planting it and I hate that.The int'l thing is a blast and it can also be the worst thing in pilot training depending on the int'l IP. I found out stereotypes exist for a reason... I personally believe that the fighter drops at Sheppard should be on a person by person basis and not based on some red cell in a spreadsheet at AFPC that says class 18-06 (need xx fighters). I've seen classes where 1-2 guys have the ability and a class where ALL of the studs were like flying CT (most of the time). The problem is being all T-38s, the sh*tty class got 95% fighters and the awesome class got a ton of heavies. Bring on the NSS at Sheppard and be able to bank and pull fighters forward and it would be a much better program. As of now, the lack of competition isn't helping the current crop of studs...And that's all I got to say about that...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2
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