Concept aircraft

[Breckey]

Looks like it still has better performance than a 58D

[Clark Griswold]

V tail for Griswold
 

The illegitimate love child of a Hornet and Freedom Fighter



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[panchbarnes]

9 hours ago, Lawman said:

While we are laughing at Iran....

What happens when you get way too drunk watching Blue Thunder and get ideas to upgrade your Bell 206.




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I'm assuming they missed Airwolf, otherwise CENTCOM would be dealing supersonic Jet Rangers equipped with retractable chain-guns and A/A A/G projectile launchers menacing all over strait of Hormuz.

[Clark Griswold]

Advanced turboprop

[Stitch]

18 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Advanced turboprop

McDonnell World War II XP-67 back from the dead...

 

[Clark Griswold]

McDonnell World War II XP-67 back from the dead...
 

Yup - definitely inspired by the Moonbat


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[Stitch]

52 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

Yup - definitely inspired by the Moonbat


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Maybe with modern turbo props and composite construction it just may work this time.  

[FourFans]

https://futurism.com/lockheed-confirms-secretive-sr-72-hypersonic-plane-will-be-made/

[Clark Griswold]

17 hours ago, Stitch said:

Maybe with modern turbo props and composite construction it just may work this time.  

Yup

Article on the 'bat: https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/too-hot-to-handle-mcdonnell-xp-67-moonbat-67265978/

[Clark Griswold]

Concept Spaceplane

https://bristolspaceplanes.com/projects/ascender/

 

 

[Clark Griswold]

Low-Cost Attritable Aircraft (RPA)

https://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-forces-next-killer-drone-is-disposable/

[FourFans]

Low-Cost Attritable Aircraft (RPA)

https://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-forces-next-killer-drone-is-disposable/

One small step for man, on giant leap for Skynet.

 

 

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[Clark Griswold]

7 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

One small step for man, on giant leap for Skynet.

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Inevitable that some part of operations / combat become fully autonomous (once released for the mission).  

On the topic of concept RPAs / UAVs...vaporware but a reasonable extrapolation of the MQ-1/9/X series...

[Clark Griswold]

FSW F-35 vaporware 

 

[Breckey]

There goes a lot of the LO.

[Clark Griswold]

There goes a lot of the LO.

Yup

Watched a presentation on FSW / X-29 from one of the retired test pilots - he addressed that a little and thought / said LO and FSW probably didn't work together


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[Lawman]

Yup

 

Watched a presentation on FSW / X-29 from one of the retired test pilots - he addressed that a little and thought / said LO and FSW probably didn't work together

 

 

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Not only that.

 

In the 30 years since FSW designs were being tested our knowledge and effective usage of fly by wire coupled with computer aided flight management systems has moved way forward.

 

If the idea is to build an inherently unstable airframe because that's the only way to make in maneuverable and fly at high alpha we can make up much more of the margin between conventional and FS winged aircraft now that we have learned to make control surfaces work in a more concerted effort. Add thrust vectoring to the list and the juice on FSW just isn't worth the squeeze even if it does look sexy. Same reason you don't see a big barn door speed break on new designs.

 

In the end I think FSW will go the same way as variable geometry. It's a neat way to accomplish something and cutting edge for its time but their are less demanding ways with less accompanying negatives out there to achieve similar results. We've come a long way with our understanding of what was only theoretical 30-40 years ago. I'd be real interested to look forward another 40 years and see how much different the evolutionary line goes from F-86 to F-15 to Raptor to god knows what....

[Clark Griswold]

2 hours ago, Lawman said:

...In the end I think FSW will go the same way as variable geometry. It's a neat way to accomplish something and cutting edge for its time but their are less demanding ways with less accompanying negatives out there to achieve similar results. 

Yup, well said.

The test pilot (Kurt Schroeder) said pretty much the same thing.  Good technology but not needed.

Presentation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOmvrk3LPGc

FSW research accomplished its goal, proved it was viable / gathered data, but FSW deployment became unnecessary due to advances in other areas / change in the operational environment.  

Still an interesting concept and with its low speed capability, surprised it was never proposed for carrier aircraft.  

But ask and Google sometimes provides interesting vaporware...

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by Clark Griswold

[Clark Griswold]

Early Gripen design:

 

[di1630]

If you see a design with tails, ignore it, it won't be the future of fighters as long as stealth is desired.


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[Clark Griswold]

6 hours ago, di1630 said:

If you see a design with tails, ignore it, it won't be the future of fighters as long as stealth is desired.

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Copy that

NG proposed design and article on 6 gen

Fat and flat is the new hotness

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Add ons, more 5+ / 6 gen vaporware but plausible:

 

 

Edited June 24, 2017 by Clark Griswold

[Clark Griswold]

5 hours ago, di1630 said:

Hmmm, just a guess of course photos 1 and 5 could be very close to plausible
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Agreed and those were interesting programs/ideas, good stuff either gets built or the LL get rolled into another program(s).

Another pic of this concept:

Would need to "smoothed" out and joined for one continuous edge from fuselage to wing tip.

[Clark Griswold]

Next Gen Helicopter:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/g2988/bell-concept-helicopter/

[Day Man]

On 6/24/2017 at 3:50 PM, di1630 said:

Check out the x-36 subscale program...highly successful testbed, abruptly cancelled...why?.....you can take it from there.

I'm too dumb and can't...why would they cancel it if it was successful?

[Clark Griswold]

5 minutes ago, Day Man said:

I'm too dumb and can't...why would they cancel it if it was successful?

NASA program - too good for a civilian controlled program with military application - gobbled up by DoD to prevent inadvertent data dissemination 

That would be my guess - no first hand knowledge 

Edited June 26, 2017 by Clark Griswold
caveat emptor