rv10 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Local news reports are stating that one of the Thunderbird F-16s flipped while taxiing due to wind gusts at KDAY. No injuries are being reported. A quick search yielded no photos or more information.
HerkFE Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 https://www.avgeekery.com/breaking-thunderbirds-incident-at-dayton/ this is all I've seen so far
rv10 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) https://www.rt.com/usa/393783-us-ohio-thunderbird-accident/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thunderbird-f-16-military-jet-flips-over-dayton-ohio-air-n776081 Edited June 23, 2017 by rv10
rv10 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 https://popularmilitary.com/breaking-u-s-air-force-thunderbird-crashes-dayton-air-show/
matmacwc Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Just stop. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/f-16-thunderbird-crashes-flips-over-at-dayton-international-airport/
Prosuper Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 How does ACC make the decision for which wing to grab a F-16d model from for this jets replacement?Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using Baseops Network Forums mobile app
Magnum Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 44 minutes ago, Prosuper said: How does ACC make the decision for which wing to grab a F-16d model from for this jets replacement? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using Baseops Network Forums mobile app Bet they ask for one from the FTU
icohftb Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Magnum said: Bet they ask for one from the FTU FTUs arent flying block 52s.
Magnum Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Just now, icohftb said: FTUs arent flying block 52s. The only US 52s on AD are already at Nellis. You can put a 229 in a 42.
HerkFE Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Why in the absolute Fvck would the Thunderbirds need block 52's? Disregard, found the answer on F-16.net "In 2008 the block 32 F-16s were replaced by newer block 52 models. This gives the team an extra boost in available thrust." So a block 52 has so much more available thrust than a block 32 that it makes a difference to the spectators at an airshow??? Edited June 23, 2017 by HerkFE Answer found: 1
icohftb Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, HerkFE said: Why in the absolute Fvck would the Thunderbirds need block 52's? Disregard, found the answer on F-16.net "In 2008 the block 32 F-16s were replaced by newer block 52 models. This gives the team an extra boost in available thrust." So a block 52 has so much more available thrust than a block 32 that it makes a difference to the spectators at an airshow??? That plus the old block 32s were all bent.
ClearedHot Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, icohftb said: That plus the old block 32s were all bent. I was working inside the glass doors when the decision was made to convert to Block 52s. The ACC boss was truly worried about the age of the Block 30s they were flying at the time and wanted newer jets to avoid an "event" at an airshow. That decision went all the way to CSAF thus illustrating how long we have been broken and the lack of empowerment at all levels. Glad they survived. 2
Clark Griswold Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: ... That decision went all the way to CSAF thus illustrating how long we have been broken and the lack of empowerment at all levels. Glad they survived. This. Question (not just for CH) but has it ever been discussed to go back to 38s or ideally whichever jet is picked in the T-X competition? New jets, lower operational costs, all are two seaters, etc... Edited June 24, 2017 by Clark Griswold
HU&W Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: This. Question (not just for CH) but has it ever been discussed to go back to 38s or ideally whichever jet is picked in the T-X competition? New jets, lower operational costs, all are two seaters, etc... Won't happen. The T-birds are the AF's #1 marketing tool. My $$$ is on the F-35 getting a red/white/blue paint job next.
HuggyU2 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 35 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: ... whichever jet is picked in the T-X competition? The T-X jet is a long way from selection. Many, many years It would not surprise me, however, if it became the next Thunderbird jet. BTW, if any of you are at the Dayton show, let us know how the T-50 demo looks. I'm very intrigued.
F16Deuce Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: This. Question (not just for CH) but has it ever been discussed to go back to 38s or ideally whichever jet is picked in the T-X competition? New jets, lower operational costs, all are two seaters, etc... I'm in violent agreement with you. Word on the street is they'll be getting F-35s though...... Edited June 24, 2017 by F16Deuce 1
Jaded Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: The T-X jet is a long way from selection. Many, many years It would not surprise me, however, if it became the next Thunderbird jet. BTW, if any of you are at the Dayton show, let us know how the T-50 demo looks. I'm very intrigued. I've seen it before - lots of similarities to an f-16 demo. No crazy AOA stuff. Love the jet though.
Clark Griswold Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, HU&W said: Won't happen. The T-birds are the AF's #1 marketing tool. My $$$ is on the F-35 getting a red/white/blue paint job next. 36 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: The T-X jet is a long way from selection. Many, many years It would not surprise me, however, if it became the next Thunderbird jet. 30 minutes ago, F16Deuce said: I'm in violent agreement with you. Word on the street is they'll be getting F-35s though...... Copy all It could do the job but damn that is one expensive show... not sure what the requirement per hour max cost for the T-X is but probably around 1/5th (or less) of what a 35 will cost per flight hour of rage. Edited June 24, 2017 by Clark Griswold minor
The-osu Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 6 hours ago, matmacwc said: Just stop. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/f-16-thunderbird-crashes-flips-over-at-dayton-international-airport/ Must have let out the crosswind controls
matmacwc Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 We land in the crab and do the crosswind thing after touchdown.
Breckey Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 MX never catches a break. https://mobile.twitter.com/AFThunderbirds/status/878351056488374273
ClearedHot Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Unless the powers that be are going to let them hang at show center doing pedal turns I highly doubt F-35s, the juice won't be worth the squeeze because the TX performance specifications are so high. The T-X has a minimum sustained g requirement of 6.5g and objective of 7.5g The requirement sets a high bar for maneuverability, requiring the T-X to sustain that load at a pressure altitude of 15,000ft for at least 140˚ of a full turn with minimal loss of energy and altitude. Initiated at or above 15,000ft pressure altitude, at or below Mach 0.9, and at or above 80% fuel weight, the aircraft’s flight path angle during this maneuver can be no lower than 15˚ nose low while losing no more than 2,000ft of vertical altitude and 10% of the initial airspeed. Bottomline, for a 10th the cost per airframe they can get almost the same show. 5
slc Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 10 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: The T-X jet is a long way from selection. Many, many years It would not surprise me, however, if it became the next Thunderbird jet. BTW, if any of you are at the Dayton show, let us know how the T-50 demo looks. I'm very intrigued. Got a crew on location for a static. I'll ask them and advise 1
LookieRookie Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 12 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: The T-X jet is a long way from selection. Many, many years It would not surprise me, however, if it became the next Thunderbird jet. BTW, if any of you are at the Dayton show, let us know how the T-50 demo looks. I'm very intrigued. Allegedly all the info I saw says T-X is supposed to chosen by this December. But that means a other year of GAO protests 2
Motofalcon Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Disclaimer: 100% speculation, we'll see what the SIB/AIB says in 6.9 months... There is no way a "wind gust" would flip a viper all the way onto its back during taxi unless it's a damn hurricane. Seriously, to lift the entire fuselage/engine up and over the wing?? Come on. Hell, a gust strong enough just to put it up on a single main and wingtip would be *hopefully* something the wx guys could forecast and would be well outside the normal limits and therefore a wx cnx. Now, a strong wind gust during landing, which pushed the mighty mighty off the runway and THEN it flipped - maybe. Not probable, but possible. But flipping on its back during taxi? I don't buy it. And while I feel bad for him and hope he has no serious injuries, that crew chief has one of gnarliest fam ride stories around. 1
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