The new airline thread

[Doc]

  On 3/25/2024 at 5:08 AM, FourFans said:

But you gotta love follow the greens man.  Everyone needs to get on board with that system.

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[SocialD]

I remember my first trip to ORD at my regional.  We got on the A taxiway and the alley was blocked, so the Captain just kept making right turns between A and B without a clearance.  He's said just don't stop and and they couldn't care less what we do, if you stop, they yell at you lol.  I've unfortunately flown there enough to know what taxi route they'll give me, but I avoid the place big time.  One of my bids is actually avoid long layovers at ORD, because of the long ass drive into downtown during rush hour. 

 

This is of the many reasons I like flying the 717 into all the burgs & villes throughout the eastern U.S.  You almost never have wait on anything, no conga line, rarely any "flow," one taxiway to one of the 5 gates, security is a breeze, and the people are nice. The hardest part about these airports is sometimes you have to turn the lights on yourself and occasionally you have use your phone to get a clearance.  

[Sua Sponte]

Boeing’s CEO is out at the end of the year, chairman of the board is out in May, and the president of commercial airplanes is leaving immediately.  

Edited March 25, 2024 by Sua Sponte

[brabus]

The CEO should have been out yesterday, why does he get until 31 Dec!

[Sua Sponte]

  On 3/25/2024 at 2:05 PM, brabus said:

The CEO should have been out yesterday, why does he get until 31 Dec!

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It takes time to open that golden parachute and buy back those stocks.

[SocialD]

Lol, you're fired!  Here is your multi-million dollar severance package with access to company corporate jets for life and a follow on job.  

[herkbum]

  On 3/25/2024 at 12:14 PM, SocialD said:

I remember my first trip to ORD at my regional.  We got on the A taxiway and the alley was blocked, so the Captain just kept making right turns between A and B without a clearance.  He's said just don't stop and and they couldn't care less what we do, if you stop, they yell at you lol.  I've unfortunately flown there enough to know what taxi route they'll give me, but I avoid the place big time.  One of my bids is actually avoid long layovers at ORD, because of the long ass drive into downtown during rush hour. 
 
This is of the many reasons I like flying the 717 into all the burgs & villes throughout the eastern U.S.  You almost never have wait on anything, no conga line, rarely any "flow," one taxiway to one of the 5 gates, security is a breeze, and the people are nice. The hardest part about these airports is sometimes you have to turn the lights on yourself and occasionally you have use your phone to get a clearance.  

Sitting on one now


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[Smokin]

ORD was my first taxi out as an airline pilot.  Dude, talk about a wake up call.  Luckily I had a good captain who looked at me right before I called for clearance and said "wait, this is your first time ever taxing a commercial aircraft?"  "Yep"  "Ok, write this down" and proceeded to give me what he expected the taxi instructions to be.  He was 95% correct and a huge help.  He also said 'don't be surprised if they read off your taxi instructions and then go on to the next airplane without giving you a chance to read back'.  I think I said "WTF, can they do that?"  "This is Chicago, FAA regs are more like suggestions..."

[Danger41]

  On 3/25/2024 at 12:14 PM, SocialD said:

use your phone to get a clearance.  

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We recently had a mod that we had to go to a dinky airport in New Jersey where you got your IFR clearance by calling McGuire on the phone at the end of the runway. Of course the guy I call is maybe an English 4th language type and about all I understood was "clearance void if not off the ground in 2 minutes" I just took off and turned toward what I thought was the VOR he said to go toward. Seemed to work out.

[AirGuardianC141747]

  On 3/25/2024 at 12:14 PM, SocialD said:

One of my bids is actually avoid long layovers at ORD, because of the long ass drive into downtown during rush hour. 

You almost never have wait on anything, no conga line, rarely any "flow," one taxiway to one of the 5 gates, security is a breeze, and the people are nice. The hardest part about these airports is sometimes you have to turn the lights on yourself and occasionally you have use your phone to get a clearance.  

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Totally agree! ORD is my base only for the variety of flying outbound rarely to return and that’s it. Fortunately it’s 10 min to the Doubletree Misery (Good Hotel but inferior to our OCONUS digs), our own dedicated heavy ramps N/S, direct drop to your 3 flights of stairs plus one workout and secure your own aircraft. Departing for the Pacific, Asia, Europe, Australia always makes me smile putting these run down cities behind the tail.

*The outlier areas are awesome I agree. Miss my former driveable HSV base. It was such a hassle free area - Make traffic call, Click the lights, call Memphis and depart or land and close it up if the tower went home. Good times.

Edited March 25, 2024 by AirGuardianC141747

[FourFans]

  On 3/25/2024 at 5:45 PM, Danger41 said:

We recently had a mod that we had to go to a dinky airport in New Jersey where you got your IFR clearance by calling McGuire on the phone at the end of the runway. Of course the guy I call is maybe an English 4th language type and about all I understood was "clearance void if not off the ground in 2 minutes" I just took off and turned toward what I thought was the VOR he said to go toward. Seemed to work out.

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At my current employer we fly in and out of Kona in a 747 using CTAF VFR procedures and picking up IFR clearance after takeoff.  I did that in a cessna or USAF C-130 doing VFR flying.  Never thought I'd be reporting at VFR pattern entry in a 74 though. "Any traffic please advise"

[BFM this]

  On 3/25/2024 at 11:01 PM, FourFans said:

 I did that in a cessna or USAF C-130 doing VFR flying.  Never thought I'd be reporting at VFR pattern entry in a 74 though. "Any traffic please advise"

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Don’t sweat it.

They’ll flinch first.

[BashiChuni]

  On 3/25/2024 at 5:45 PM, Danger41 said:

We recently had a mod that we had to go to a dinky airport in New Jersey where you got your IFR clearance by calling McGuire on the phone at the end of the runway. Of course the guy I call is maybe an English 4th language type and about all I understood was "clearance void if not off the ground in 2 minutes" I just took off and turned toward what I thought was the VOR he said to go toward. Seemed to work out.

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you are a god damn sexual tyrannosaurs

[SocialD]

  On 3/25/2024 at 4:06 PM, herkbum said:

Sitting on one now.

 

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Consider yourself in the presence of greatness.  We may not have seatback in-flight entertainment, but at least our wifi sucks!

[herkbum]

  On 3/26/2024 at 10:41 AM, SocialD said:

 
 
Consider yourself in the presence of greatness.  We may not have seatback in-flight entertainment, but at least our wifi sucks!

You are correct, the WiFi on these planes is the worst in the fleet. But the flight is only 35 mins, so I can live with it.


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[AirGuardianC141747]

  On 3/26/2024 at 10:45 AM, herkbum said:

 

You are correct, the WiFi on these planes is the worst in the fleet. But the flight is only 35 mins, so I can live with it.


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Oh man, was on a Delta 76 Delta One ride JFK-HNL beginning of the month going to pickup a jet and they mentioned WiFi was inop. Had in-flight entertainment so I didn’t care sleeping half the time, but people were steaming. Recalling plastic horseshoe headsets with projector screens blurred with cigarette smoke (not your choice of two or three movies shown) keeps me from complaining. Always can be worse.

Edited March 26, 2024 by AirGuardianC141747

[Sua Sponte]

  On 3/26/2024 at 10:45 AM, herkbum said:

 

You are correct, the WiFi on these planes is the worst in the fleet. But the flight is only 35 mins, so I can live with it.


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Qantas doesn’t have WiFi on their international flights. But that hour flight from Melbourne to Sydney or Sydney to Brisbane? Yeah, it’ll have WiFi. 

[nunya]

  On 3/26/2024 at 10:41 AM, SocialD said:

Consider yourself in the presence of greatness.  We may not have seatback in-flight entertainment, but at least our wifi sucks!

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Satellite wifi on the way. No shit.

[BashiChuni]

 

[StoleIt]

  On 3/27/2024 at 2:18 PM, BashiChuni said:

 

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Random question for the SWA folks: do you guys have a HUD or autoland?

[SocialD]

  On 3/27/2024 at 12:41 PM, nunya said:

Satellite wifi on the way. No shit.

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Like DSG's getting full flight pay, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

 

  On 3/27/2024 at 3:29 PM, StoleIt said:

Random question for the SWA folks: do you guys have a HUD or autoland?

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ILS 4 has to be hand flown from FAF inbound.  

[FUSEPLUG]

  On 3/27/2024 at 3:29 PM, StoleIt said:

Random question for the SWA folks: do you guys have a HUD or autoland?

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HUD on CA side. No autoland. Cat II/III hand-flown below 1000ft AGL. 

Haven’t heard the details on the LGA thing. Sounds like the FO was flying.

Edited March 28, 2024 by FUSEPLUG
SocialD already mentioned the ILS 4

[AirGuardianC141747]

Divert - First request Philly, then Pitts, but eventually ended up in Baltimore supposedly. Voice change hence aircraft control and radio swap over perhaps. Tower seemed on it.

[Biff_T]

I dont know about you guys, but I always backed up the other pilot flying the approach, especially in wx.  How did they both not notice this deviation?  

[Danger41]

  On 3/27/2024 at 4:46 PM, SocialD said:

ILS 4 has to be hand flown from FAF inbound.  

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This plate is funny. The Gettysburg Address is there in the notes but the whole "Autopilot couple approach NA" is buried.

The other thing that sounded interesting to me was Brickyard saying they couldn't operate below 4000 RVR (minima on the plate) but they say if you have a HUD or Flight Director you can get down to 2400. I find it hard to believe there isn't a FD on any airliner operating domestically now. Bad thought?

For the actual video, I'm pretty sure the pilots had zero SA on where they actually were on that 2nd approach. Tower saved the day, big time. That's another interesting conundrum on a second approach after going missed on the first one. Nothing new had to be set up and just tried the same again. I'd be very interested to get a read out on this one (which I won't, but it'll be interesting).