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[Duck]

In the few jets I’ve flown, you could do either. But only in the F-15 was it a specific units of AOA you’d fly instead of just on the green donut. The others have been airspeed or AOA. The Eagle also could calculate landing speed with something similar to the T-38 (I think it was 138+gross weight or something) but AOA units was much easier.
Do airliners give you the 1.3 Vs out of some computer and it varies each time or is it a consistent speed?

I mean, I just hit request and it sends me back numbers... God forbid I have to use the iPad and calculate it myself. Lol


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[TreeA10]

FMC calculates approach speed just line select from a list of landing flap settings, enter it into the landing settings line and your V speeds for all your flap limits and approach speed appear on your display. 

[Duck]

FMC calculates approach speed just line select from a list of landing flap settings, enter it into the landing settings line and your V speeds for all your flap limits and approach speed appear on your display. 

No. That can’t be right. I’m pretty sure magic is involved somewhere. Right?


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[TreeA10]

2 hours ago, Duck said:

No. That can’t be right. I’m pretty sure magic is involved somewhere. Right?


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Black magic.  I forgot the part where you light candles (it's a Boeing so the candle auto-lights after selecting the FMC approach page) and throw some crew meal chicken bones onto the center console.  This conjures up the ghost of C.R. Smith (founder of AA, other airlines have different ghost options) and once his ghost appears and "Descent Checklist" is selected, the V speeds appear on the flight display. 

[SocialD]

On 10/7/2019 at 4:39 PM, Bigred said:

I guess I wasn’t too clear. I’m tracking most every military plane has some sort of AOA gage. My point is that, using the 135 as an example, I may fly an approach at 165kts and reference the AOA gage, but I’m not slaved to what it says precisely, I’m more concerned with airspeed.

Ah gotya.  In the F-16 it's exactly the opposite.  I'll calculate an approach speed and QC that it generally matches up, but I'm really only concentrating on holding a particular AOA (via a "staple" in the HUD).  

[HuggyU2]

On 10/6/2019 at 11:51 AM, Muscle2002 said:

Every fighter I have flown or evaluated used AOA, but all, with the exception of the Super Hornet and Hornet, were flown in the region of "normal command" (front side) which is more intuitive to fly, IMO.

Muscle, can you explain this statement?  I don't think I'm understanding what you're trying to say, since it is counter to everything I’ve ever seen or experienced. . 

Edited October 10, 2019 by HuggyU2

[Bergman]

On 10/7/2019 at 5:29 PM, Danger41 said:

Do airliners give you the 1.3 Vs out of some computer and it varies each time or is it a consistent speed?

The mighty MD-88 has speed cards in a holder on the dash.  Flip to the one with your gross weight listed, fly the printed speeds.  Like any true cave man.  😂

[RogAir]

On 10/6/2019 at 4:43 PM, ImNotARobot said:

So FedEx trying to handpick guys to manage that monster right out of the gate doesn't seem crazy to me. But choosing C-17 background who fly on the backside of the power curve and add power to flare seems backward. And choosing USN 3-wire trap dudes seems equally incorrect. But they don't pay me to make those decisions

No expert here, but I have flown the MD-11 at fedex and the C-17.  My guess is pucker factor. The only two airplanes (out of 9 commercial/military flown)  that I felt I truly had to awake for on landing were the MD-11 and the C-17 on an assault strip.  If I flew carrier based aircraft I would imagine I would want to be awake for that landing as well. A 737 or C-5? Not so much. 

[Gazmo]

The mighty MD-88 has speed cards in a holder on the dash.  Flip to the one with your gross weight listed, fly the printed speeds.  Like any true cave man.  

We fly speeds out of speed cards for the E190 at AAL also. Round your Landing weight up to the nearest thousand and plug those numbers off the card into the CDU so that it brings the bugs up on your speed tape. Yes, it is so easy a caveman can do it.

[HossHarris]

7 hours ago, Gazmo said:

20 hours ago, Bergman said:

The mighty MD-88 has speed cards in a holder on the dash.  Flip to the one with your gross weight listed, fly the printed speeds.  Like any true cave man.  

We fly speeds out of speed cards for the E190 at AAL also. Round your Landing weight up to the nearest thousand and plug those numbers off the card into the CDU so that it brings the bugs up on your speed tape. Yes, it is so easy a caveman can do it.

Electronic bugs...magic!

the mighty maddog has physical bugs on the airspeed indicator you manually move around. No knobs, no dials, no magic. 

[Gazmo]

Electronic bugs...magic!
the mighty maddog has physical bugs on the airspeed indicator you manually move around. No knobs, no dials, no magic. 

Yeah I get my fill of moving bugs around the airspeed indicator (which often are missing or break off) on the KC-135.

[ImNotARobot]

[brickhistory]

Question:  in today's market, how does a recently retired USAF fixed wing pilot NOT get hired by a major?

I assume, assuming all basics - ATP, etc - are in place that it either comes down to the interview or a version of a black-ball from someone who knows the candidate.

Follow-on questions: 

- How does one blow (sts) the interview?

- If some form of a black-ball, how does the company know of such?  Are potential hires known/announced?  Is it word of mouth?

 

My curiousity is because a former commander very recently was turned down by a major.  Not sorry as the individual would very quickly let everyone know he/she was the smartest person not only in the room, but ever.  But that news led me to wonder the above.  Might help those pursuing such a job.

[Duck]

I went down to the crew base in Dallas to grab some paperwork a couple weeks ago and saw the interview list. A couple guys had some positive comments next to their name, but one dude had “Not only no, but HELL NO!” The Chiefs look at this sheet and it carries a lot of weight at Southwest.


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[SocialD]

It's usually done via letters to the HR department, "internal" (as in that person doesn't see) recs, or talking directly with people.  I'd have to really dislike someone to "black-ball" them.  I've had some people I've generally not cared for, but none that I can think of one drive me to this.  That said, I know of one guy who was bad enough that there was a concerted effort to get him blackballed at every airline.  From my understanding it's been successful so far, but I have heard a rumor he may have finally gotten hired somewhere.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same guy Duck saw on the list. 

Edited November 25, 2019 by SocialD

[Gazmo]

Usually the two cardinal rules are, 1. Don't be a douche because at some point it'll come around to bite you. 2. Don't lie about things on your app or during an interview no matter what it is.

[nunya]

1 hour ago, brickhistory said:

very quickly let everyone know he/she was the smartest person not only in the room, but ever. 

So don’t be that guy. Those thoughts shine through in the interview no matter how much you try to hide your asshole-ness.  

[FUSEPLUG]

1 hour ago, SocialD said:

That said, I know of one guy who was bad enough that there was a concerted effort to get him blackballed at every airline.  From my understanding it's been successful so far, but I have heard a rumor he may have finally gotten hired somewhere.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same guy Duck saw on the list. 

This wouldn’t happen to be a “well-known” guy from the mobility community, would it?  
 

Either way, the efforts against the guy I am talking about were due to extreme douche-baggery outside of his AF career.  That’s a clean kill when you fuck over a well-liked bro with a lot of friends at most (if not all) of the majors. 

[Smokin]

If the guy was always the smartest person in the room, I bet that the interview is what tanked him.  Of the roughly 10 guys at my interview that started a group text to keep track of results, only one guy didn't get hired (recently retired AF).  Had one of the interviewers pulled me aside as I was walking out and asked "one guy isn't going to get hired, who is it?" I'd have said that guy.  It was obvious to a third grader that he was massively stressed.  Everyone was stressed and excited, but I think he had psyched himself out.

If you are current in a USAF fixed wing airplane and have your ATP, you are very competitive.  If you're not current, may need to start moonlighting as a CFI or accept a penalty lap at a regional.  Here is a list of things that could tank you in the interview (not comprehensive, but probably close):

Lying on your app (most common is padding the hours or avail date)

Not doing your homework / interview / test prep

Being a douche

If you get an interview, the airline has already flown you out to talk to them.  They want to hire you.  Reinforce the reasons they saw in your app and don't give them a reason to not hire you.  It's a big opportunity.  Start prepping a full year out for the app and interview for at least a few hours a week building to a few hours a day in the month prior.  Do that and you'll be confident enough to be yourself (or if you're a douche, be someone else.  In that case, don't apply at my airline).

[TreeA10]

I know of a guy who made himself persona non grata at his Reserve unit and got hired by a major airline.  Most assumed he failed to "List any accident/incident you have been involved in" on his application and someone dropped a dime on him.  Sure enough, he had failed to list an incident..or two.. and was shown the door.  So,  be a douche nozzle and piss people off might be one way to not get hired.

[BADFNZ]

4 hours ago, Duck said:

I went down to the crew base in Dallas to grab some paperwork a couple weeks ago and saw the interview list. A couple guys had some positive comments next to their name, but one dude had “Not only no, but HELL NO!” The Chiefs look at this sheet and it carries a lot of weight at Southwest.


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Where does this list sit in the DAL crew base?

[Danger41]

Any nuggets out there for the app that trip guys up? Currently going back and listing various military schools I attended and getting official transcripts and such. 
 

I also had a guy recently ask me what he should do about having a failed civilian checkride that didn’t show up on his FAA records review. I said still list it, but it’s like the opposite of hiding something there and makes you look odd.

[HossHarris]

30 minutes ago, BADFNZ said:

Where does this list sit in the DAL crew base?

You can internally “anti” recommend someone. 

[herkbier]

9 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

I know of a guy who made himself persona non grata at his Reserve unit and got hired by a major airline.  Most assumed he failed to "List any accident/incident you have been involved in" on his application and someone dropped a dime on him.  Sure enough, he had failed to list an incident..or two.. and was shown the door.  So,  be a douche nozzle and piss people off might be one way to not get hired.

Now I’m second guessing my apps.. what is considered an accident or incident? I’ve shut down so many engines I have no count. I had a pretty unique emergency once but we recovered the aircraft with no damage. I listed my over speed, no damage, with my Q3; but not under incidents. What’s the threshold?

[DirkDiggler]

10 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

I know of a guy who made himself persona non grata at his Reserve unit and got hired by a major airline.  Most assumed he failed to "List any accident/incident you have been involved in" on his application and someone dropped a dime on him.  Sure enough, he had failed to list an incident..or two.. and was shown the door.  So,  be a douche nozzle and piss people off might be one way to not get hired.

Curious about this, do they have a definition of an “incident”?  I’ve had enough emergencies in the Talon that I’ve lost count.  Do they want you to list battle damage under this?  I have every intention of being open kimono on my apps but I don’t want to unintentionally leave something out and then get called on it.  Appreciate any info you have.