The new airline thread

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Just curious... do companies get to impose whatever restrictions they want, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else? 

Seems like I've seen that argument in a few threads on here...

Would you feel different if he'd gotten fired for smoking weed? 

At one time slavery was the law.  And internment of innocent Japanese.  And prohibition.  And obeying the British crown.  And segregation.  Etc.  But people resisted unjust laws and eventually the laws changed.  

What’s interesting here is these aren’t even laws.  These are edicts that never passed the legislature.  And are clearly controversial.  Yet you’re in absolute glee watching peoples livelihoods wrecked as they voice dissent.

You’re usually a smart dude whose posts I enjoy; don’t always agree with but I know you’ve thought it through.  So as a thinking person, watching the “science” change as efficacy shrinks to months, seeing the slow leak of info about the origins which contradicts the certainty of “expert” opinions, watching flip-flop-Fauci, seeing the hypocrisy of democratic leaders who say one thing but act totally different when folks aren’t watching…. I have to ask you: do you think these posts will age well?  Do you think 3 years from now your smug condescension will still seem justified?

[brabus]

Oh look, Pawnman’s here…

[bfargin]

[StoleIt]

2 hours ago, Ryder1587 said:

SWA - what a perfect example of how fast misinformation spreads and how quick people spread it to try to push their agenda.  What a sad social media world we live in when this is our reality.  Nobody wants the truth. They want confirmation bias. 

I actually have no idea what is going on with SWA. Just getting back from a trip with no signal, min turns, and max duty days...so what's going on/the truth?

[Ryder1587]

1 minute ago, StoleIt said:

I actually have no idea what is going on with SWA. Just getting back from a trip with no signal, min turns, and max duty days...so what's going on/the truth?

Up to 30% of their flights cancelled this weekend. Major news sources pushing it was because of pilots calling in sick and vaccination strikes.  Sick call numbers published showing completely false and the flight cancellations broke down from Manning being below the required number to be able to handle any sort of weather or delay issues without causing huge rippling affects.  No one fact checks anything anymore. Just push any news that fits their agenda and it’s annoying and doesn’t seem very reputable sources around anymore that are on TV. 

[bfargin]

Yeah, what Ryder said is what my SW friends said too, but their eyelids kept twitching like Chief inspector Dreyfus ’ so I’m not sure what to believe.

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[SpeedOfHeat]

5 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

You’re usually a smart dude whose posts I enjoy

Stunning.  I for one have literally never read a pawnman post without thinking to myself: "holy $hit, this guy is such a douche."  

[FLEA]

How would you guys discuss RPA time on an airline resume? I did a 3 year TAMI 21 tour and while I understand the hours and flight time are meaningless, I don't think the experience overall is. Besides the fact it needs to be documented on the resume as employment history anyway, I feel like there is some value added if I can discuss it in terms of the increasing growth of technology and automation in air operations? Is that reasonable? 

[Royal]

32 minutes ago, FLEA said:

How would you guys discuss RPA time on an airline resume? I did a 3 year TAMI 21 tour and while I understand the hours and flight time are meaningless, I don't think the experience overall is. Besides the fact it needs to be documented on the resume as employment history anyway, I feel like there is some value added if I can discuss it in terms of the increasing growth of technology and automation in air operations? Is that reasonable? 

Incorporate it into your 3-5 minute bio when they have you introduce yourself; put together "tell me about a time" stories with your RPA experiences that include CRM, time-critical decision making, and/or something that makes you sound relatable. Don't overthink it too much.

[Buddy Spike]

16 hours ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Oh good!  pawnman is in the airline thread now.  Finally some real perspective on all of this.  

Sometimes it's nice to hear from the passengers...

 

...like when they say "Nice landing" or the hot chick in first class says "here's my number."

 

But the rest of the time -  yeah, sit down, put your seat belt on, and STFU.  Nobody cares what you think.

[herkbier]

11 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Stunning.  I for one have literally never read a pawnman post without thinking to myself: "holy $hit, this guy is such a douche."  

I imagine he confused pawnman with nsplayer. 

[Guardian]

I don’t think he mixed his words

[LJ Driver]

On 10/11/2021 at 10:42 AM, ClearedHot said:

I think the press was mistakenly reporting it was Jax Airport when as Huggy notes it was Jax center.  The FAA spin was many had to take a mandatory two day break after getting the jab.

No idea the inner working reasons at Southwest why this happened, anecdotally I flew into JAX on Friday through some semi crappy weather and out on Saturday - absolutely no issues with center, approach, or tower controllers on either day, and besides deviating around the wx it was a pretty standard situation with that. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by LJ Driver

[Hugo Stiglitz]

3 hours ago, LJ Driver said:

No idea the inner working reasons at Southwest why this happened, anecdotally I flew into JAX on Friday through some semi crappy weather and out on Saturday - absolutely no issues with center, approach, or tower controllers on either day, and besides deviating around the wx it was a pretty standard situation with that. 

Secondhand information to offer, so assign whatever value to that as you may. Saw text screenshots sent to our pilots from 2 center controllers, one JAX and one HOU, and both said Jax is perpetually undermanned. Weather forced traffic into an area where 6 sectors were being covered by 6 controllers. Couldn’t route around other side of weather due to airspace in use by the military. TMU attempted to slow roll traffic but not enough. All 6 controllers worked past their mandated in-the-seat time without breaks and eventually timed out, hence the ground stops. Again, no direct knowledge, just regurgitating. 

[Smokin]

The rest may be true, but I don't buy the inability to route due to military airspace.  Jax takes airspace away from the military all the time.

[disgruntledemployee]

The SWA schedule problems are due to the Chinese trying to take over Taiwan. Or is it because gas prices went up 1% which caused crews to go bankrupt at the pump.  or space noise interfered with ph calls to skeds, or rising ocean levels caused more thunderstorms in Orlando and FAA Controllers at Jax didn't show cause the moon didn't align properly with Saturn.

My special interests are X, and I will make any event in the world line up up with my interests.

 

To my SWA buddy's out there, taxi fast, fly faster, and make bank on the ineptitude of ops.

[disgruntledemployee]

Also, in the warmer months in FL, there is always WX, EDTs, etc.  Ops should always understand and anticipate those kinda delays. No other airline meltdown last week.

[FUSEPLUG]

3 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

To my SWA buddy's out there, taxi fast, fly faster, and make bank on the ineptitude of ops.

That’s actually in the FOM. 

[Khruangbin33]

Ok my posting skills are weak, couldn't embed the tweet.  Here's the link:

My favorite strategist's take on the SWA/airline issues writ large

Edited October 15, 2021 by Khruangbin33
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[AirGuardianC141747]

10 hours ago, FUSEPLUG said:

That’s actually in the FOM. 

I thought that was a Navy thing, thought wrong I guess. 

[Lord Ratner]

12 hours ago, Khruangbin33 said:

Ok my posting skills are weak, couldn't embed the tweet.  Here's the link:

My favorite strategist's take on the SWA/airline issues writ large

Kirby was smart, he put the mandate in place well before anybody had radicalized behind their position one way or the other. That left only 3% by the time the government stepped in and guaranteed compromise was dead.

 

American is in a different boat. Something like 3, 000 are on vaccinated, and they've had months of telling everybody who will listen that they're not getting the vaccine. Pride is not so easily overcome, and 3,000 Pilots have a whole hell of a lot of more leverage than 300. I'm genuinely curious as to what's going to happen, because American Airlines couldn't afford even 500 Pilots quitting, and I've flown with multiple Pilots who claim to have already submitted their retirement paperwork. These guys are in their 50s.

 

But our CEO played the same game last year during the furlough crisis. Hardball with the government up until the last minute, and even past it. Then throw his hands up and say he did everything he could but if the government doesn't change their position, all is lost.

 

There's a 0% chance that this administration is going to tolerate this type of turmoil, especially one that will have an effect on the market, when their approval ratings are dipping below 44%.

 

I'm vaccinated, so I don't really have skin in the game. But this mandate stuff is bullshit. The vaccine is no longer sufficient to stop the spread, and thus any justification for mandates, questionable as they were before, are now completely invalidated. And if you're stupid enough to think that it stops here, and won't involve a whole slew of medical decisions starting with mandating boosters, I've got a bridge to sell you. 

[AirGuardianC141747]

Your so right, tip of the iceberg on so many things. Sank the Titanic didn’t it. Collectively it seems like a strategy for everything to come crashing down, but either way if your vaccinated you probably will go up a line number unless you have been in the business over 20 years perhaps. Do not agree with any mandates, but this one will not be the sword to fall on for most.

[pawnman]

7 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

Your so right, tip of the iceberg on so many things. Sank the Titanic didn’t it. Collectively it seems like a strategy for everything to come crashing down, but either way if your vaccinated you probably will go up a line number unless you have been in the business over 20 years perhaps. Do not agree with any mandates, but this one will not be the sword to fall on for most.

Yep.  A lot of people will talk a big game on the internet, but when faced with getting the same shot over a billion others have or losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, most will get the shot.

[TheNewGazmo]

Yep.  A lot of people will talk a big game on the internet, but when faced with getting the same shot over a billion others have or losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, most will get the shot.

I'm sure that a lot of the airlines have guys who have millions in the bank, have side hustles and are living on a military pension that could flick their Airline job away like a annoying fruit fly at any moment. Not all of them have the stereotypical three kids from two ex-wives and a boat to pay for.

[Prozac]

On 10/18/2021 at 1:28 PM, TheNewGazmo said:

On 10/18/2021 at 12:51 PM, pawnman said:

Yep.  A lot of people will talk a big game on the internet, but when faced with getting the same shot over a billion others have or losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, most will get the shot.

I'm sure that a lot of the airlines have guys who have millions in the bank, have side hustles and are living on a military pension that could flick their Airline job away like a annoying fruit fly at any moment. Not all of them have the stereotypical three kids from two ex-wives and a boat to pay for.

You might be shocked by how many have MORE than two ex wives. Also, despite their hyper inflated views on their ability to act as their own financial planners, many, many of the “old heads” have done poorly in the markets & despite making millions over their careers, are not in a great retirement position. Add on the fact that regardless of personal financial situations, a majority of dudes in this business are blatant money whores, and when push comes to shove, I don’t think you’ll see too many leaving the career early. For the record, I agree with a lot of Lord Ratner’s post. At least as far as pilots are concerned, CEOs do not really have to force the vaccine issue. That will be, and is being done for them by foreign governments. Even most “domestic” fleets regularly see Canada & Mexico & there won’t be many places to hide for those who wish to remain unvaccinated.