The new airline thread

[FourFans]

On 2/11/2022 at 1:21 AM, Butters said:

All airlines seem to limit disability for 'crazy people and alcoholics', except Alaska.

You spelled 'pilots' wrong

[FourFans]

19 hours ago, fox two said:

Newbie question: I put my apps in and haven't heard anything... my earliest hire date is still many months away so I'm not sweating it, but I'm wondering if having a class 1 medical is a requirement for an interview? I don't have one yet, as I finish AD, but figured it's something I could get quickly if I'm selected.

 

I'm looking at the comparison page of the job targeting page in airlineapps.com and also seeing FCC License required, is that actually needed as well? https://www.fcc.gov/commercial-radio-operator-license-program says you need one unless your aircraft is VHF and domestic only and obviously military flying is neither of those, so what gives? Do I have this equivalent already? Maybe a dumb question but I've literally never heard of this

holyfuckballs

I deeply admire your honesty and trust.  Welcome to the Thunderdome.  We have some expectations to readjust.  I've recently gone through it, so I'll gladly help.

PM me, we can sort this out for you.

Short answer: Yes you need a Flying Class 1  (FC1) and a FCC radio operators permit.  Schedule a flying class one with a civilian AME in your local area ASAP to find out if you've got any hang-ups.  If you have major medical issues such as PTSD, Heart murmer, etc...I don't recommend trying to hide...other opinions may differ.  If you're comfortable and it's major, bring it up with the AME.  If it requires a waiver, expect 8-12 months to get an waivered FAA FC1...so extra time is good.  The FCC permit can be completely done online.  Google it.

 

Longer answer: Congratulations, you are a USAF pilot.  That entitles you to be...a USAF pilot.  If you're a Colonel or higher, I highly recommend re-learning how to do things for yourself again.  I say that only half-joking, as I've seen how those ranks get treated.  In the civilian world: no-one cares who you were.

FAA has a COMPLETELY different grid of evaluating pilots.  Respect that fact, as they are the ones who issue the license.  Example: My instructor for the next week had over 10,000 flying hours BEFORE he was 26 and then hired by my current employer. Think about that for a minute. You're in a whole new world.

You are now a UPT graduate again who needs to figure out all the new rules of the road.  At core, yes, you've got what it takes.  The USAF and the FAA do not like each other.  Get over it right now.  FAA says you need FCC Radio permit.  Go get it. (seriously it took 2 minutes of googling and something like 65 bucks, online don't be that guy)   FAA says you need FC1.  Go get it.  The worst thing you can do is foster the mental habit of "but in the air force I..."     

Just don't. 

The background you came from has remarkably thin impact on your aviation future beyond how well it prepared you to be evaluated on your ability to fly airplanes...which will rapidly become self evident if you get hired.

Seriously. PM me.  I've current on the hiring world right now.  We'll get you sorted.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by FourFans130

[bfargin]

Alright, which one of  you FedEx or UPS bubbas snuck the snake on the plane?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pilot-calls-emergency-landing-snake-162818830.html

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, bfargin said:

Alright, which one of  you FedEx or UPS bubbas snuck the snake on the plane?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pilot-calls-emergency-landing-snake-162818830.html

[FLEA]

Yeah if this is me we are waiting to get on the ground. I'm climbing to 400 and depressurizing the plane with oxygen on, lol. 

[Danger41]

Anyone ever attend any of the aviation conferences for meet and greets? I’m the 9 millionth generic white man in aviation but if I was a woman (WAI), black person (OBAP), or gay person (NGPA), and all these folks show up purely to meet somebody from an airline and not at all to support the purpose of the conference, I’d be pretty annoyed by that.

[BashiChuni]

[TheNewGazmo]

Anyone ever attend any of the aviation conferences for meet and greets? I’m the 9 millionth generic white man in aviation but if I was a woman (WAI), black person (OBAP), or gay person (NGPA), and all these folks show up purely to meet somebody from an airline and not at all to support the purpose of the conference, I’d be pretty annoyed by that.

In this hiring climate, don't waste your time, money and/or energy. Those things are the biggest shlong swinging contests you'll ever attend (and yes, even the WIA...). Just submit your apps and update them bi-weekly.

[nunya]

1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

 and all these folks show up purely to meet somebody from an airline and not at all to support the purpose of the conference, I’d be pretty annoyed by that.

1. I don't think you'll need to go to those fairs to get interviewed.
2. A bunch of dudes that don't fit the theme is part of the game - not gonna change any time soon.
3. They'd be a lot more annoyed if you went to a White, Cis, Male Hetero Pilot's Association Conference.

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, Danger41 said:

Anyone ever attend any of the aviation conferences for meet and greets? I’m the 9 millionth generic white man in aviation but if I was a woman (WAI), black person (OBAP), or gay person (NGPA), and all these folks show up purely to meet somebody from an airline and not at all to support the purpose of the conference, I’d be pretty annoyed by that.

They aren't annoyed at all. Your white male money and airline ambitions are what make those conferences possible.

[di1630]

In this hiring climate, don't waste your time, money and/or energy. Those things are the biggest shlong swinging contests you'll ever attend (and yes, even the WIA...). Just submit your apps and update them bi-weekly.

This^^

Near Zero effort for qual’d military to get picked up right now.

I had no interview prep, no digital logbook, no resume check, no internal airline recs, 1x letter of rec from my buddy who isn’t an airline pilot and still got called 7 mos from availability date.

[TheNewGazmo]

They aren't annoyed at all. Your white male money and airline ambitions are what make those conferences possible.

And your money and "membership" is what funds minority programs and grants to help get these groups into aviation.

[ItnStln]

2 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

They aren't annoyed at all. Your white male money and airline ambitions are what make those conferences possible.

And your money and "membership" is what funds minority programs and grants to help get these groups into aviation.

Who's funding programs and grants for poor white people to get into aviation?

[TheNewGazmo]

1 hour ago, ItnStln said:

Who's funding programs and grants for poor white people to get into aviation?

Sorry... there are too many of us to care about.

Edited February 22, 2022 by TheNewGazmo

[nunya]

1 hour ago, ItnStln said:

Who's funding programs and grants for poor white people to get into aviation?

[jazzdude]

Who's funding programs and grants for poor white people to get into aviation?

Civil air patrol and AFJROTC for high schoolers. ROTC and military academies for college age, though those come with a commitment

[ItnStln]

2 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:

Sorry... there are too many of us to care about.

Indeed

[ItnStln]

23 minutes ago, jazzdude said:

2 hours ago, ItnStln said:

Who's funding programs and grants for poor white people to get into aviation?

Civil air patrol and AFJROTC for high schoolers. ROTC and military academies for college age, though those come with a commitment

Since when are AFROTC, AFJROTC & CAP not allowing minorities to join? It seems like there are no programs or grants for poor white people to get into aviation whereas there are a plethora of said programs for minorities. This sounds both racist and sexist to me, and hetrophobic as well.

[TheNewGazmo]

57 minutes ago, ItnStln said:

Since when are AFROTC, AFJROTC & CAP not allowing minorities to join? It seems like there are no programs or grants for poor white people to get into aviation whereas there are a plethora of said programs for minorities. This sounds both racist and sexist to me, and hetrophobic as well.

Well, I can see us going down a rabbit hole with this one, but I think we can all agree in general that people of color have had less professional opportunities than your average white dude.  I am a white dude and I can acknowledge that.  I can go into a decertation as to why this has been and will continue to be an issue in this country until things significantly change (on both sides of the fence), but I will say that I think a lot of people in these groups are in this predicament because of the way your average white dude has treated them, because of the way your average white dude has dominated how the legal system operates and how your average white dude could care less about cleaning up areas of poverty predominantly occupied by people of color.  I acknowledge that poverty has no color, but you can't tell me that your average white household living below the poverty line has generations upon generations of family members who've been discriminated upon and who've dealt with the social injustices of other minorities.  Just my .02.

Edited February 22, 2022 by TheNewGazmo

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, ItnStln said:

Since when are AFROTC, AFJROTC & CAP not allowing minorities to join? It seems like there are no programs or grants for poor white people to get into aviation whereas there are a plethora of said programs for minorities. This sounds both racist and sexist to me, and hetrophobic as well.

AFROTC requires you to pay for college. Unless you get a scholarship put of high school...which requires high academic achievement. 

Guess what's correlated to academic achievement? 

[Guardian]

Well, I can see us going down a rabbit hole with this one, but I think we can all agree in general that people of color have had less professional opportunities than your average white dude.  I am a white dude and I can acknowledge that.  I can go into a decertation as to why this has been and will continue to be an issue in this country until things significantly change (on both sides of the fence), but I will say that I think a lot of people in these groups are in this predicament because of the way your average white dude has treated them, because of the way your average white dude has dominated how the legal system operates and how your average white dude could care less about cleaning up areas of poverty predominantly occupied by people of color.  I acknowledge that poverty has no color, but you can't tell me that your average white household living below the poverty line has generations upon generations of family members who've been discriminated upon and who've dealt with the social injustices of other minorities.  Just my .02.

Nope. We can’t all agree.

[TheNewGazmo]

2 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Nope. We can’t all agree.

Why am I not surprised?  Refer to my third sentence above.

Edited February 22, 2022 by TheNewGazmo

[Guardian]

Mostly because you were wanting to argue. You state things then say believe me I know what I’m talking about. Then refresh your page every 30 seconds waiting for someone to not agree with you.

Note all I said is we can’t all agree. I think it’s pretty bold of you to make a exclusive claim then claim everyone agrees with you. Then not really cite anything.

Just my .02.

[jazzdude]

Since when are AFROTC, AFJROTC & CAP not allowing minorities to join? It seems like there are no programs or grants for poor white people to get into aviation whereas there are a plethora of said programs for minorities. This sounds both racist and sexist to me, and hetrophobic as well.

Those opportunities I listed are available to many (though may be restricted by where you live), regardless of the applicant's race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation. Including the poor white demographic you mention.

Why should you care if a special interest/minority group wants to fund a scholarship or grant for their community? It doesn't take away opportunities for the majority of people, especially when we're talking into to flying and breaking into the aviation career field.

[jazzdude]

AFROTC requires you to pay for college. Unless you get a scholarship put of high school...which requires high academic achievement. 
Guess what's correlated to academic achievement? 

There are other paths to scholarships besides academic achievement, and the are grants and loan programs for low income students.

But I get your point, it's easier to excel and compete for scholarships of your family has the means to help push your development, whether through academics, sports, arts, etc.

Or there's always the enlist and use the GI Bill or other enlisted to officer programs, though timings became a lot tighter on the road to wings.

I will also say it's sad to see military aero clubs mostly go by the wayside, as that removed another means for military members to pursue their aviation dreams.