Commanders are dropping like flies this year

[SurelySerious]

13 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Feb 7 - Russian mercenaries suffer an embarrassing defeat. 

March 1 - State of the Nation speech, Putin revealed an array of new, powerful weapons he claimed were being developed for Russia's armed forces. (What a coincidence and a huge pivot.)

Apr 23 - Stealth fighter deal between Russia and India fall apart. (What's the count for US manufactured jets shooting down Russian made jets?)

In my family's 33 year milittary history, nobody has touched Russia, China, or North Korea. What is there to gain? US military helo was shot down over N. Korea and we didn't do a damn thing about it. So save the WWIII talk for another day. 

You still have yet to make a coherent point about how Gates saved the day. Russians still in Crimea? Check. Chinese still expanding in SCS? Check. Afghanistan still run by medeval warlords? Check. 

 

Go back to your parents’ basement. 

[HarleyQuinn]

29 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

You still have yet to make a coherent point about how Gates saved the day. Russians still in Crimea? Check. Chinese still expanding in SCS? Check. Afghanistan still run by medeval warlords? Check. 

 

Go back to your parents’ basement. 

The Chinese have man made islands. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody has ever marveled at good old Chinese engineering. Hence they steal everything they can via cyber and still mess up the end result.

You like wearing hot pink reflective belts to a bar fight don't you?

Edited June 17, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[SurelySerious]

3 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

The Chinese have man made islands. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody has ever marveled at good old Chinese engineering. Hence they steal everything they can via cyber and still mess it up the end result. You like wearing reflective belts to a bar fight don't you?

You enjoy changing the subject using your lack of awareness and not actually making an argument to the discussion at hand. When you do graduate high school, try the Marines. 

[otsap]

44 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

A lot of you have failed to realize we have killed a bunch of top terrorist leaders. They all have kids that will be looking to even the score. This ain't over. 

 

21 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

 Hence they steal everything they can via cyber and still mess up the end result. You like wearing reflective belts to a bar fight don't you?

You are in desperate need of a topic sentence.

[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

The Chinese have man made islands. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody has ever marveled at good old Chinese engineering. Hence they steal everything they can via cyber and still mess up the end result.

You like wearing hot pink reflective belts to a bar fight don't you?

Our allies in the region are shaking in their boots with the expansion in the SCS.  For some reason we're still in the mindset that the Pacific Ocean is going to protect us from Chinese shenanigans.

The Navy has brought it up a lot.

While I'm not scared of their engineering, I am scared of their numbers.  They're also just as resourceful and cunning as we are and have a culture built on "fighting outsiders." 

Their cyber capes are pretty detailed in Open Source info, but it's like the rest of their capes - mass makes up for a lot of other issues.

Edited June 17, 2018 by 17D_guy

[waveshaper]

3 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

The Chinese have man made islands. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody has ever marveled at good old Chinese engineering. Hence they steal everything they can via cyber and still mess up the end result.

You like wearing hot pink reflective belts to a bar fight don't you?

Another one of our adversaries made a similar maneuver in the WESTPAC during the 1920s/30s and we know how that turned out. Back then Folks didn't start shaking in their boots until Dec 1941. See - the Japanese Mandate for the South Seas Islands/South Pacific Mandate.

The terms of the mandate required Japan not to fortify the islands. However, these terms were ambiguous and poorly-defined, specifying only that Japan should not build "fortifications" or construct "military or naval bases". From 1921 the Japanese military began making surveys and plans so that rapid military deployment to the islands would be possible in case of war. The Imperial Japanese Navy divided the territory into five naval districts in Palau, Saipan, Truk, Ponape and Jaluit Atoll, all reporting to a rear admiral at the naval headquarters at Truk.

During the 1930s, the Imperial Japanese Navy began construction of airfields, fortifications, ports, and other military projects in the islands controlled under the mandate, viewing the islands as "Unsinkable Aircraft Carriers" with a critical role to play in the defense of the Japanese home islands against potential US invasion. These became important staging grounds for Japanese air and naval offensives in the Pacific War.

Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands was a major base supporting the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Battle of Wake Island.

Palau was used to support the invasion of the Philippines by Japan.

Saipan in the Mariana Islands supported the Battle of Guam.

Truk (now known as Chuuk Lagoon) in the Caroline Islands became the base for amphibious landings on Tarawa and Makin in the Gilberts, as well as Rabaul in the Australian mandate Territory of New Guinea.
Majuro in the Marshall Islands was used in air strikes against Howland Island.

Jaluit Atoll, also in the Marshall Islands, was the base from which the Japanese Navy seized Nauru and Ocean Island (now known as Banaba Island).

The Imperial Japanese Army also utilized the islands to support air and land detachments.

[HarleyQuinn]

1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

Our allies in the region are shaking in their boots with the expansion in the SCS.  For some reason we're still in the mindset that the Pacific Ocean is going to protect us from Chinese shenanigans.

The Navy has brought it up a lot.

While I'm not scared of their engineering, I am scared of their numbers.  They're also just as resourceful and cunning as we are and have a culture built on "fighting outsiders." 

Their cyber capes are pretty detailed in Open Source info, but it's like the rest of their capes - mass makes up for a lot of other issues.

Huge cell phone nerd here. People wonder why the US government has worked behind the scenes to ban the Chinese from flooding the US with their cell phones. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they are trying to do.

We can unleah the Kracken known as the Japanese on China. They already have F-35s and what looks like 2 amphibious ships to carry them I believe. I'm willing to bet it would peel the Japanese away from anime and digital porn if they had to focus on China a bit more.

When the rhetoric gens up, the US starts spending more money to help out the little guy. After countries start to feel safe again, they tell us to piss off. Bush jacked up Iraq and Obama totally screwed up Libya. Our track record says we need to chill out for a bit. History repeats itself...

[HarleyQuinn]

1 hour ago, waveshaper said:

Another one of our adversaries made a similar maneuver in the WESTPAC during the 1920s/30s and we know how that turned out. Back then Folks didn't start shaking in their boots until Dec 1941. See - the Japanese Mandate for the South Seas Islands/South Pacific Mandate.

The terms of the mandate required Japan not to fortify the islands. However, these terms were ambiguous and poorly-defined, specifying only that Japan should not build "fortifications" or construct "military or naval bases". From 1921 the Japanese military began making surveys and plans so that rapid military deployment to the islands would be possible in case of war. The Imperial Japanese Navy divided the territory into five naval districts in Palau, Saipan, Truk, Ponape and Jaluit Atoll, all reporting to a rear admiral at the naval headquarters at Truk.

During the 1930s, the Imperial Japanese Navy began construction of airfields, fortifications, ports, and other military projects in the islands controlled under the mandate, viewing the islands as "Unsinkable Aircraft Carriers" with a critical role to play in the defense of the Japanese home islands against potential US invasion. These became important staging grounds for Japanese air and naval offensives in the Pacific War.

Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands was a major base supporting the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Battle of Wake Island.

Palau was used to support the invasion of the Philippines by Japan.

Saipan in the Mariana Islands supported the Battle of Guam.

Truk (now known as Chuuk Lagoon) in the Caroline Islands became the base for amphibious landings on Tarawa and Makin in the Gilberts, as well as Rabaul in the Australian mandate Territory of New Guinea.
Majuro in the Marshall Islands was used in air strikes against Howland Island.

Jaluit Atoll, also in the Marshall Islands, was the base from which the Japanese Navy seized Nauru and Ocean Island (now known as Banaba Island).

The Imperial Japanese Army also utilized the islands to support air and land detachments.

This isn't the 40s and our economies would be wrecked from going to war. Both the Chinese and US economies would be decimated. The Chinese depend on us to buy their crap from Walmart and someone has to take on US debt. There are Air University classes on this stuff. I learned something in the SOS auditorium.

[SurelySerious]

3 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Our allies in the region are shaking in their boots with the expansion in the SCS.  For some reason we're still in the mindset that the Pacific Ocean is going to protect us from Chinese shenanigans.

The Navy has brought it up a lot.

While I'm not scared of their engineering, I am scared of their numbers.  They're also just as resourceful and cunning as we are and have a culture built on "fighting outsiders." 

Their cyber capes are pretty detailed in Open Source info, but it's like the rest of their capes - mass makes up for a lot of other issues.

I don’t think we should discount their engineering much. Sure, in recent history it’s been copy paste with possible small improvements, but they’ve been the leaders in supercomputing for a few years now, if memory serves me correctly. As an analogy: Nikon and Canon both started off as companies making cheap copies of german camera models. Within 30 years, they were the innovators and undisputed leaders in that area. On China is a great read: they’re playing a long game, for sure  

It doesn’t take a full war to shift the world order, either. 

[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

This isn't the 40s and our economies would be wrecked from going to war. Both the Chinese and US economies would be decimated. The Chinese depend on us to buy their crap from Walmart and someone has to take on US debt. There are Air University classes on this stuff. I learned something in the SOS auditorium.

they said the same thing before WWI...

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

I don’t think we should discount their engineering much. Sure, in recent history it’s been copy paste with possible small improvements, but they’ve been the leaders in supercomputing for a few years now, if memory serves me correctly. As an analogy: Nikon and Canon both started off as companies making cheap copies of german camera models. Within 30 years, they were the innovators and undisputed leaders in that area. On China is a great read: they’re playing a long game, for sure  

It doesn’t take a full war to shift the world order, either. 

I don't think they're leading in super computing yet, though they are doing a ton in quantum computing.  However, if you've ever read a white paper or article saying what they've discovered, shit is SUPER suspect.

Because of the cheapness of labor all the chip dies and foundries have moved to China/Taiwan (AKA #1 China), with further loss of Intellectual Property from companies doing business their due to their communist rules.  There's a ton of articles on it online about companies getting screwed.

This is very clearly an area where capitalist values (i.e. almighty dollar/shareholder value) are hurting our nation, if not the world.

Also, because of their demand economy they've spun up dozen of high tech Cyber Institutions to build out a cyber force, nothing like we can match.

Further discussion should probably move to the Cyber thread, so as not to derail our outrage at CC's getting fired!

[Champ Kind]

3 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I learned something in the SOS auditorium.

Now we know you're trolling.  Nobody learns anything at SOS.

[LiquidSky]

On 6/15/2018 at 5:53 PM, HarleyQuinn said:

The commander who was fired over a lost machine gun and grenades has a new job in the Air Force

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/06/15/the-commander-who-was-fired-over-lost-grenades-and-machine-gun-has-a-new-job-in-the-air-force/

Well his machine gun was found... Do y'all see any realistic way in which he could have prevented this specific incident as a commander?

[flyusaf83]

Geez. Glad they fired the commander before figuring out WTF happened first.  

Edited June 21, 2018 by flyusaf83

[SurelySerious]

[HarleyQuinn]

1 hour ago, flyusaf83 said:

Geez. Glad they fired the commander before figuring out WTF happened first.  

Guilty until proven innocent per Judge Advocate office.

[SocialD]

16 hours ago, flyusaf83 said:

Geez. Glad they fired the commander before figuring out WTF happened first.  

 

15 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Guilty until proven innocent per Judge Advocate office.

I LOL'd

I guess I could have pointed to this when my CC asked if I had any interest in leadership above FLT/CC , and I actually laughed out loud.  The court system in the military is the epitome of shoot, then aim!  Then even when proven innocent, they may put out a retraction at the bottom left of the bag page of the base newsletter...career still ruined. 

In my last aircraft upgrade, I had a sim partner (another FO) that left a fast track in the Navy (20+ years) because 3 of 5 of his buddies were fired for shit that was completely out of their control...mostly within a year or so of assuming command.  Right now the rest of his buddies are probably on ship somewhere, dodging sexual assault cases and hoping to make it through the next assignment to get that bird/star....meanwhile he just finished another Rome layover after having 2 weeks without going to work.   

[HarleyQuinn]

If you are charged with anything lawyer up. The JA office fears civilian lawyers. I had to lead a CDI and there were so many issues I found. It wasn't even funny.

[Azimuth]

3 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

If you are charged with anything lawyer up. The JA office fears civilian lawyers. I had to lead a CDI and there were so many issues I found. It wasn't even funny.

Be wary. There are plenty of civilian defense attorneys that are willing to take your money and do a poor job. Then on appeal claiming Inaffective Assiance of Counsel has a dismal success rate on overturning the verdict.

[HarleyQuinn]

Dishonored and disgraced’: IG slams AFCENT one-star for ‘inappropriate relationship

relationshiphttps://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/06/28/disgraced-ig-slams-afcent-one-star-for-inappropriate-relationship/

[17D_guy]

16 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Dishonored and disgraced’: IG slams AFCENT one-star for ‘inappropriate relationship

relationshiphttps://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/06/28/disgraced-ig-slams-afcent-one-star-for-inappropriate-relationship/

Only an LOC and grade determination for a years long unprofessional relationship with zero remorse?  That is insanity.

[Sneedro]

19 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Only an LOC and grade determination for a years long unprofessional relationship with zero remorse?  That is insanity.

And we wonder why people are fed up with the AF...

 

Different standards for different people.

[LookieRookie]

On 6/28/2018 at 5:42 PM, 17D_guy said:

Only an LOC and grade determination for a years long unprofessional relationship with zero remorse?  That is insanity.

He may be an ART and have been in civilian status the majority of the time.

[VMFA187]

On 6/17/2018 at 3:30 PM, SurelySerious said:

You enjoy changing the subject using your lack of awareness and not actually making an argument to the discussion at hand. When you do graduate high school, try the Marines. 

Ouch.

[SurelySerious]

4 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Ouch.

Broad generalization on my part. Just saw an interview where Neller said, “the powers that be were almost like, ‘OK, ‘Neller. You’ve been out here wanking for 38 years. We’re going to make you own this.’”

Which is awesome.