AFRC Per-diem Issue

[HeyWatchThis]

I posted a similar thread over on the general forum (see below) but in light of new info I wanted to post it here.  We are being told that AFRC, and AFRC alone has interpreted the following JTR paragraph 0203 "Per diem allowance rates are based on the TDY location, stopover point, or other authorized official duty points, but not on lodging location.  Ordinarily per diem is based on a travellers TDY location at 2400 hours (midnight)"  as meaning that if we are on an out and back from Ramstein to say, Kandahar, if we cross midnight while enroute to Kandahar/Bagram, etc or while on the ground at Kandahar that we get Kandahar per diem even though we are returning to Ramstein for crew rest (Kandahar is $12.50/day vs Ramstein at ~$109/day so our guys are being forced to buy food at Ramstein pricing on Kandahar perdiem).  

Are other reserve units doing this?  It's causing some guys to get an increase in per-diem where they aren't supposed too (and are afraid its going to come back and bite them) and it's causing others to not get paid per-diem for locations where we are actually staying the night...

Is @Finance_Guy still on here? 

 

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Edited December 15, 2017 by HeyWatchThis

[ThreeHoler]

It is where you are physically on a calendar day (after 2400). It has been that way for years.

Examples:

Leave US and land past midnight at Ramstein. You get 75% ETAR per diem for the first day and ETAR per diem the next day. You leave ETAR before midnight and land Khar the next day you get Khar per diem.

[HeyWatchThis]

22 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

It is where you are physically on a calendar day (after 2400). It has been that way for years.

Examples:

Leave US and land past midnight at Ramstein. You get 75% ETAR per diem for the first day and ETAR per diem the next day. You leave ETAR before midnight and land Khar the next day you get Khar per diem.

Even if we return to ETAR the same day as Khar?  It seems to be 50/50 on people I ask....Problem it is causing us is it just gives our TR's more ammo to not fly trips and stick with their airline trips because now we get to tell them they get Khar per-diem when they are staying in ETAR for the night.....

[ThreeHoler]

Even if we return to ETAR the same day as Khar?  It seems to be 50/50 on people I ask....Problem it is causing us is it just gives our TR's more ammo to not fly trips and stick with their airline trips because now we get to tell them they get Khar per-diem when they are staying in ETAR for the night.....

If you return to ETAR before midnight (same day) the you stay on ETAR per diem.

Technique: never file quick turns in DTS.

[HeyWatchThis]

10 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

If you return to ETAR before midnight (same day) the you stay on ETAR per diem.

Technique: never file quick turns in DTS.

 

We never use to file quick turns however our finance is trying to force us to because we have a GS06 running around claiming we are committing fraud by not claiming a quick turn location that we land at after crossing 2400 even though we return to Europe for crew rest that same day.  The GS06 is basing her info supposedly from being told by some 3 letter (so, what a GS15 maybe??) at AFRC that has taken it upon herself to interpret the JTR paragraph as the next place we land or where we are at at 2400.

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by HeyWatchThis