Pilot Shortage Deepens, USAF is SCREWED.

[gearhog]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

What you identify as poor leadership is actually someone asking you as an IP to be a ing adult, sorry that is so difficult for you.  Enjoy the airlines, I am sure you "me only" attitude will serve you quite well in the interview process.

For the record I retired to get away from caustic leadership and a broken system,  I think most of the people that served with me (some on here), know I was not into the you should be ridiculed because I was ridiculed routine, but getting offended because someone asks you to make sure you training paperwork is squared away...dear god, get the sand out of your ######.

Don’t tell me what it “actually” was because you have no more information than the rest of us. I trust the guy telling the story know more about whether the dude was being a prick than you trying to put words in another O-6s mouth while simultaneously bitching about caustic leadership. You need to figure out what your position is and once you do, do not make mistake of assuming I give a shit.  I’m also not interested in what a new airline guy thinks will serve an 11 year airline guy well. The Air Force is different than when you punched. The desks practically fly themselves these days.

[Boomer6]

[SurelySerious]

16 minutes ago, torqued said:

babble

 

When people call you a douche, is it “douche,” or is it “dooooouuuuuuche”?

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, torqued said:

 You need to figure out what your position is and once you do, do not make mistake of assuming I give a shit. 

Did I hurt your feelings?  Poor thumb-sucking SNAP, should we call mommy?

 

[DazedandCynical]

Just fill out the grade sheet? Not for the O-6....

I’m as cynical as the next dude...but I wouldn’t leave the AF bc the OG threatened to remove my certification as an IP if I didn’t do my job. Obviously, not inspiring words from the OG to a new IP...but just fill out the grade sheet. 

 

[brickhistory]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

The Air Force is different than when you punched. The desks practically fly themselves these days.

Say, didn't CH retire, like, in 2017?  I know technology speeds the pace of change up, but, really?!

 

Are you referring to the empty desks because there's no one to man them?

 

As a true old retiree, I enjoy listening to youngsters and their wisdom.  Like Whitney said...

 

Parkland students today...

Cultural Revolutionaries a few decades ago (The real ones, not our Berkeley ersatz ones...)

Good times.

 

[BashiChuni]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

 You need to figure out what your position is and once you do, do not make mistake of assuming I give a shit.  I’m also not interested in what a new airline guy thinks will serve an 11 year airline guy well. The Air Force is different than when you punched. The desks practically fly themselves these days.

calm down tough guy. you're way over torqued. CH's one of the good ones suggest you redirect fire

[YoungnDumb]

On a different note, someone mentioned the boys at Nellis wrote a letter to the AF about the current status of training/readiness.  Any validity to it?

[Fuzz]

Like I said I didn’t agree with everything this OG did and he could definitely be caustic at times, but he set his expectations clearly ahead of time as well as the consequences too. He also rarely punished en mass it was targeted specifically at people who fucked up. He also had very high expectations of his IP corps. From one IP to another, if you habitually fucked up grade sheets, TMS reports, currency paperwork I would agree you probably shouldn’t be an IP. You are the example and if you can’t do it then it’s time to find better examples. Also if you understood that the OG needed the paperwork so he could use the Go/No-go process to gather data on things like Ops tempo effects on training, crew compositions, required waivers etc, you understand why it was important to him. He fought many battles against 18AF/AMC that the crew force never knew about. I was in your shoes too until my commander sat some of the IPs down and peeled back the curtain. This guy isn’t a saint but he enabled a lot of good at McChord, as for his actions at Dyess I got nothing.

[icohftb]

Is there a paperwork issue in said ops group?

[Chuck17]

1 hour ago, Fuzz said:

Like I said I didn’t agree with everything this OG did and he could definitely be caustic at times, but he set his expectations clearly ahead of time as well as the consequences too. He also rarely punished en mass it was targeted specifically at people who fucked up. He also had very high expectations of his IP corps. From one IP to another, if you habitually fucked up grade sheets, TMS reports, currency paperwork I would agree you probably shouldn’t be an IP. You are the example and if you can’t do it then it’s time to find better examples. Also if you understood that the OG needed the paperwork so he could use the Go/No-go process to gather data on things like Ops tempo effects on training, crew compositions, required waivers etc, you understand why it was important to him. He fought many battles against 18AF/AMC that the crew force never knew about. I was in your shoes too until my commander sat some of the IPs down and peeled back the curtain. This guy isn’t a saint but he enabled a lot of good at McChord, as for his actions at Dyess I got nothing.

Whoa whoa whoa, you mean there’s another side to this story!? (#sarcasm) Your measured response is getting in the way of our righteous indignation...!

Chuck

[Runr6730]

As a guy who lived through Fairchild’s ASEV failure in 2010, I can vouch that paperwork matters.  That being said, would I revoke someone’s IP qual for screwing it up (even repeatedly)?  Hell no, but said IP would get really tired of briefing the squadron at training days. 

[BashiChuni]

i bet its REALLY fun to be deployed with you. like really fun.

[matmacwc]

Mr. T

[gearhog]

17 minutes ago, joe1234 said:

One you dudes is already retired and the other is about to retire. As long as they direct deposit your pension on time every month, who ing cares what happens to the Air Force?

Just......let go already.

I'm in this for the long haul. I intend to stick around here and give my advice as to how the Air Force and its pilots should operate well into my retirement years. I'm pretty sure my best years are behind me and if I don't consistently remind you what a badass I used to be, you can't expect me to get any sort of validation in my sunset years as a gear puller where my ego isn't regularly fed a steady diet of online recognition?

Geez, can't someone just admit this is the funniest exchange ever precipitated by an animated snowflake .gif? I mean, I'm working my ass off here to make sure everyone is having a good time. FFS. 

[FourFans]

2 hours ago, torqued said:

I don't care to read to what a retired O-6 who hasn't seen a gradesheet or AF cockpit in years thinks about what abuse pilots should be willing to accept from an out of touch OG

 

50 minutes ago, torqued said:

I intend to stick around here and give my advice as to how the Air Force and its pilots should operate will into my retirement years...

...wait...what?

[sqwatch]

I'm in this for the long haul. I intend to stick around here and give my advice as to how the Air Force and its pilots should operate well into my retirement years. I'm pretty sure my best years are behind me and if I don't consistently remind you what a badass I used to be, you can't expect me to get any sort of validation in my sunset years as a gear puller where my ego isn't regularly fed a steady diet of online recognition?
Geez, can't someone just admit this is the funniest exchange ever precipitated by an animated snowflake .gif? I mean, I'm working my ass off here to make sure everyone is having a good time. FFS. 

You are a weird dude. And I cringed at your attempt at your-mom jokes.

Here’s an IP demo:
You fvcked your last grade sheet harder than torqued’s mom on prom night

I banged on the GTIMs submit button harder than torqued’s mom backstage at motley crew.

Yesterday was hotter than torqued’s mom at a Burt reynold’s film festival

Torqued’s mom does squat thrusts on fire hydrants

Torqued’s mom swims after troop ships

Torqued’s mom licks moose cvm off pine cones

That tac initial was faster than torqued’s mom’s panties coming off at sturgis

That last over-g banged up the pylons worse than torqued’s mom at a bill Cosby slumber party.

[ClearedHot]

5 hours ago, joe1234 said:

One you dudes is already retired and the other is about to retire. As long as they direct deposit your pension on time every month, who fucking cares what happens to the Air Force?

Just......let go already.

I mostly have, but there are still a lot of folks serving that I actually care about and there is that whole future of our country thing.

[HeloDude]

20 hours ago, Hacker said:

I was referring to the Army helo dudes who were recruited to come through AF fixed wing qual and IFF to go out and fly in AF units.  There was a big batch in the 2004-2006 timeframe, with many going to ANG units but some headed to AD units.

I thought that's what you were referring to when you said, "the AF also didn't bring in quite a few Army RW pilots..."

If not, my bad.  I'll STFU then.

No worries man--yes, this was referring to the 90s when the AF took in quite a few Army RW pilots to fly 53's, 60's, and Huey's, and they did just fine.  

[SocialD]

After my most recent deployment, where we constantly fought our own AF just to get people properly paid (which still hasn't happened...), and to conduct normal operations, the AF deserves whatever happens to it.  May they reap what they sow...

Edited March 26, 2018 by SocialD

[Azimuth]

9 hours ago, Runr6730 said:

As a guy who lived through Fairchild’s ASEV failure in 2010, I can vouch that paperwork matters.  That being said, would I revoke someone’s IP qual for screwing it up (even repeatedly)?  Hell no, but said IP would get really tired of briefing the squadron at training days. 

Paperwork does matter, not putting dick bags like Rat and Sush in charge is even more important.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Azimuth

[Fuzz]

13 hours ago, Chuck17 said:

Whoa whoa whoa, you mean there’s another side to this story!? (#sarcasm) Your measured response is getting in the way of our righteous indignation...!

Chuck

Shocking I know

 

13 hours ago, Runr6730 said:

As a guy who lived through Fairchild’s ASEV failure in 2010, I can vouch that paperwork matters.  That being said, would I revoke someone’s IP qual for screwing it up (even repeatedly)?  Hell no, but said IP would get really tired of briefing the squadron at training days. 

I’m not sure if he ever did, but his point was that the IP qualification is not something one just keeps because they made it through IPUG. If you aren’t meeting the expectations of the IP crew qual (not just managing to avoid getting Q3’d), he would not give you that authority and responsibility. I have a hard time saying I disagree with it, but as you pointed out there are multiple ways to skin the cat.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Fuzz

[jumangio]

Can’t remember the last time I was here, but I had to share. Here in my unit (AMC) we just had two guys this last week opt to separate vs taking some bs staff 365. Both these guys had 18 years in... and they opted out! The AF needs to get its head out of its a$$, take a hard look at what is truly needed from a deployed perspective. The mission creep/COCOM CCs unwilling to make the needed cuts will continue to decimate AF pilot resources when they have a choice. AMC screwed the pooch when it agreed to take extra deployments for ACC/Special Ops... the robbing Peter to pay Paul is going to create the same problems in AMC. Treat the problem, not the symptom, smh.

Edited March 27, 2018 by jumangio

[ImNotARobot]

Can’t remember the last time I was here, but I had to share. Here in my unit (AMC) we just had two guys this last week opt to separate vs taking some bs staff 365. Both these guys had 18 years in... and they opted out! The AF needs to get its head out of its a$$, take a hard look at what is truly needed from a deployed perspective. The mission creep/COCOM CCs unwilling to make the needed cuts will continue to decimate AF pilot resources when they have a choice. AMC screwed the pooch when it agreed to take extra deployments for ACC/Special Ops... the robbing Peter to pay Paul is going to create the same problems in AMC. Treat the problem, not the symptom, smh.

That’s a no brainer. There are a couple former AD LtCs @ FedEx...punched at 18+ yrs for dumbass reasons like those above, got an employee number, then after IOE started retraining into another aircraft in the ARC. Mil safety blanket checklist complete, airline checklist down to the line, no 365.

Gotta be smart with telling the gaining ARC unit on when to start the ground school, but it can be done.

[Guardian]

Just heard AFRC/CC is implementing a stop loss for the reserves for the rest of the year. Anyone heard this? I saw a signed letter. Don’t know if it’s a joke or not.