AZwildcat Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 https://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/February 2018/USAF-to-Grow-Out-of-Pilot-Crisis-by-Increasing-Training-Not-by-Competing-with-Airlines.aspx https://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pages/2018/February 2018/February 15 2018/USAF-Losing-700-T-6-Flights-Per-Day-While-Fleet-is-Grounded-Growing-Out-of-the-Pilot-Crisis-Making-Space-a-Priority.aspx 1
SCRIMP Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 If you guys could all just be a bro and stop this getting out business...I can quietly finish my palace chase before I get trapped. Mmmk. Thanks. 1 1 1
icohftb Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 6:26 AM, ClearedHot said: Just how bad is it? What is the black on the very first bar chart? Forecasted seperated pilots?
gearhog Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, icohftb said: What is the black on the very first bar chart? Forecasted seperated pilots? I don't think it's a forecast, it's a "today" snap shot of every year group and how many are left (per 1000). The black is pilots who have separated. It looks as though it should be more of a linear decline as years of service increase, but the huge dip in the 11-14 year range is creating the concern.
Crosswind Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Can any Mobility guys fill in/answer this question... Why aren’t more Mobility pilots leaving? Annual days gone is 200+ (anecdotal) High probability of being a UPT IP Do a staff job there’s no fighter guy to fill in for Already “airline ready” knowing how to use FMS, fly international, crew concept What’s keeping them in?
Jaded Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Crosswind said: Can any Mobility guys fill in/answer this question... Why aren’t more Mobility pilots leaving? Annual days gone is 200+ (anecdotal) High probability of being a UPT IP Do a staff job there’s no fighter guy to fill in for Already “airline ready” knowing how to use FMS, fly international, crew concept What’s keeping them in? Some people suck. They can't make it in the outside world and they know it. Some people are scared of change. The USAF is a guaranteed paycheck. It's hard to give up pay, medical care, and retirement if you have a family. Some people want to be senior leaders. 1
pilotguy Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Crosswind said: Can any Mobility guys fill in/answer this question... Why aren’t more Mobility pilots leaving? Annual days gone is 200+ (anecdotal) High probability of being a UPT IP Do a staff job there’s no fighter guy to fill in for Already “airline ready” knowing how to use FMS, fly international, crew concept What’s keeping them in? Mobility guys are leaving in droves. That positive delta can’t be correct. Look at the steady decline in the take rates. It will be mid 30s in FY18
pilotguy Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, joe1234 said: I imagine part of it is that they over-produced mobility pilots for a few years, back when maybe only 4-5 guys in a class of 30 drop T-38's, combined with sending a bunch of T-38 trained dudes to heavies. 11M has been overmanned for a long, long time. Again, I will say that we are overmanned only on paper
cragspider Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Don’t forget to add in the large numbers of 11M’s who where sent to go fly droids to help out that problem. Which is only going to get worse in the next few years as they want to increase the numbers in the 18x career as well. Like it’s been stated here and over at TPN QOL is a big part of it but money is also a factor when you get them both the airlines are hands down the best thing when guys are wanting QOL with the pay that goes with it.
JeremiahWeed Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Crosswind said: Already “airline ready” knowing how to use FMS, fly international, crew concept Just FYI: Airlines give zero f#cks about this. Same training for all no matter how "airline ready" someone might think they are. 1 2
Hacker Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, JeremiahWeed said: Just FYI: Airlines give zero f#cks about this. Same training for all no matter how "airline ready" someone might think they are. I'm always entertained by the inevitable APC post (or here, for that matter) opining, "why would the airlines hire a fighter dude who doesn't know anything about their business when instead they can hire someone who knows how to be part of a crew and use an FMS and fly into high-volume airports like the airlines do?!" Well, dude...why don't you ask the hiring folks at the airlines, who don't seem to see the same problem with it that you seem to think there is. 3 1
MDDieselPilot Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Crosswind said: Can any Mobility guys fill in/answer this question... Why aren’t more Mobility pilots leaving? Annual days gone is 200+ (anecdotal) High probability of being a UPT IP Do a staff job there’s no fighter guy to fill in for Already “airline ready” knowing how to use FMS, fly international, crew concept What’s keeping them in? For me - 2 years left on my ADSC. I was late to UPT, so I've watched lots of my peers bail even if offered sweet school options/follow on assignments. I'm stuck in a dead end staff job and AFPC doesn't seem to give a damn that I'm willing to go fly an airplane. The longer I don't fly, the more I want to walk away at the end of my ADSC. It was telling last month when Gen Holmes addressed the issue at WEPTAC. Evidently 9 dudes (11F) who got school all turned it down to get out.. I personally don't think big blue GAF about the whole issue.. they'll wait it out until the next economic crunch when pilots get furloughed and come back in droves for a paycheck.
dream big Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Oh great, a bunch of brand new wingmen/copilots shoved through UPT with no one in the operational squadrons to train them because your IPs are too busy in the Wing exec office to be able to train the youngins let alone remain proficient themselves...what could go wrong? 1
Duck Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Back in 2009-2013, the AF turned the 11F pipe down to a trickle, while increasing the MAF. Somewhere later, they changed the crew ratios for less pilots per jet. That has helped made the MAF look healthy on paper too. All those guys who went T-38s to MAF/others commitment are all coming due in the next couple years. Talking to all of the guys that I know, none of them are sticking around. 1
Termy Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 I think I understand the "Contract UPT" thing on that chart but what is "Flight Training Center?" Great slides....please keep posting this stuff when you get it.
ClearedHot Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, Termy said: Great slides....please keep posting this stuff when you get it. Ok 1 1
ClearedHot Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 Air Force Blueprint Contract UPT CONOPS .pdf AETC A3 Pilot Production CONOPS.docx 1 2
ClearedHot Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 Some scary shit in the slides and briefs above. 1
DirtyFlightSuit Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 I see zero problems with the AETC A3 Pilot Production ideas... none at all.
BashiChuni Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 so fucked. as hacker said enjoy it big blue you created it!
YoungnDumb Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 A buddy of mine's wife had the perfect explanation- they'll burn 30 pilots to produce 15. 1
flyusaf83 Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Is it just me, or is there no plan in those slides to improve retention? Seems like they have given up.
FUSEPLUG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Funny... not a single $ in any of those COA slides. Good luck competing with the airlines. 1
DirtyFlightSuit Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said: Is it just me, or is there no plan in those slides to improve retention? Seems like they have given up. To give up you must try in the first place. Sooo no they have not given up... Edited February 16, 2018 by DirtyFlightSuit 1 1
Breckey Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) @ClearedHot do you have anything on the contract UHT plan? Last COA I heard was to dissolve Ft Rucker and everything go to a contract including aircraft selection. The AETC CUPT plan uses AETC aircraft, hopefully the CUHT plan will do the same. ETA: Looks like the AETC CONOPS has the RW guys not seeing a military instructor until the FTU. What could possibly go wrong? Edited February 16, 2018 by Breckey
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