HuggyU2 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) I have no sympathy for Emirates. $46M per month... I'll bet they could pay their pilots a lot more, and still come in under that figure. It's a good time to be a commercial pilot. Article below: A couple of weeks ago, James wrote about how Emirates is reducing some flights due to a pilot shortage. In the past we’ve seen Emirates sometimes store planes briefly due to decreased seasonal demand. While parking planes isn’t cheap, it’s certainly more expensive to fly them at a significant loss, so it’s the best option in those cases. Emirates’ unprecedented pilot shortage Emirates is currently dealing with an issue in unprecedented numbers. Specifically, Emirates pilots are quitting to go work elsewhere. The airline has always had some level of turnover, but they’ve never had anything to this degree. Emirates’ president said that the airline is “a tad short on pilots,” which is perhaps the understatement of the year. How bad is Emirates’ pilot shortage? Media reports suggest that Emirates will be parking 46 planes over the coming months: • Emirates will park 11 Boeing 777s and 1 Airbus A380 this month • Emirates will park 14 Boeing 777s and six Airbus A380s in May • Emirates will park 11 Boeing 777s and three Airbus A380s in June Altogether that represents 36 Boeing 777s and 10 Airbus A380s, which is about 18% of Emirates’ fleet (specifically 25% of their 777 fleet and about 10% of their A380 fleet). While it’s possible that Emirates may have otherwise stored a few of these planes, the numbers in which they’re storing these planes is unprecedented. Emirates is flying these planes to Dubai World Central Airport (since there’s no room at Dubai International), so by June that airport should look like an Emirates parking lot. Some suggest that a fairly new widebody costs roughly a million dollars per month between leasing and financing costs, as well as maintenance contracts and insurance. If that’s the case, storing 46 planes would be a loss of $46 million per month, or over $500 million per year (though presumably they wouldn’t be parked for that long). Why are Emirates pilots leaving? In the past, the contracts that Emirates offered were extremely competitive: • The salary is mostly tax free • Emirates covers housing and lots of other expenses for pilots • The pay rates themselves are quite good • You get to fly some cool planes as well; if I were a pilot I’d much rather fly an A380 or 777 than a regional jet Of course there are downsides as well. Emirates pilots work a lot of hours, and work some crazy hours (no matter how hard you try to adjust, I imagine working a 3AM flight never gets easy). You also have to live in Dubai with no option to commute — personally that’s something I wouldn’t mind, though I realize other people would far prefer a commuter contract, where they work two weeks on and then two weeks off, or something. So why are pilots suddenly leaving? Because there’s now a worldwide pilot shortage. 10 years ago pilots couldn’t find jobs at major carriers and pay had been cut significantly. Now pilot pay is as good as it has ever been, and Emirates hasn’t kept up. So either pilots are moving back home to find jobs there that pay comparably, or pilots are moving to other countries where airlines are offering incredible contracts. For example, Chinese airlines are known for their extremely lucrative contracts, with many pilots at Chinese airlines apparently earning $300,000+ per year, with the ability to commute. Bottom line We’ve seen Emirates park some planes before, but have never seen them park 45+ planes at a time, as far as I know. This isn’t just an adjustment for seasonal demand, but clearly reflects their severe pilot shortage. While I know Emirates has some pilots in training right now, it sure doesn’t sound to me like this shortage will figure itself out in the next few months, because pilots are still leaving in droves. While Emirates pilots obviously aren’t unionized, it sounds to me like there might need to be some negotiating when it comes to their contracts. What was once an industry leading benefits package is no longer the case, and things are only getting worse. I also don’t want to say that we should be worried as passengers, but ideally you want to fly with an airline that has experienced pilots with lots of hours. Emirates simply isn’t able to maintain that type of talent pool with what they’re offering right now. Emirates’ president makes it sound like this problem will be solved in the coming months, though it doesn’t look like that’s happening. This will be an interesting situation to follow as we move into the summer. https://goo.gl/QE1LWC Edited May 5, 2018 by HuggyU2
Prozac Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 This could be seen coming from a mile away. Expats have been leaving Emirates for the last few years as hiring in their home markets has picked back up. Why stay at a place with no union protections that forces pilots to BLOCK 100+hrs a month, and does not allow commuters? Like the USAF, Emirates management needs to be reminded that it’s no longer 2006.
Royal Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 I bet the real reason is that Emirates' pilots "are not provided the opportunity for meaningful leader development." 4 8 1
amcflyboy Posted May 6, 2018 Posted May 6, 2018 Emirates is and always will be a dirtbag outifit. Their planes are modified to snitch on the pilots, even if they land one knot fast!
Azimuth Posted May 6, 2018 Posted May 6, 2018 You have to get a liquor license to drink in your own home. One signed by your boss and company. Pass. 1
Guest Posted May 6, 2018 Posted May 6, 2018 You have to get a liquor license to drink in your own home. One signed by your boss and company. Pass.You also have to be a pilot, so I think the liquor license is the least of your problems.
Azimuth Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, Day Man said: He sure did Mr. Lose your wing in a FEB by flying into a severe thunderstorm former C-17 guy. 6
Day Man Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Azimuth said: He sure did Mr. Lose your wing in a FEB by flying into a severe thunderstorm former C-17 guy. 1. I am still able to wear my wings. 2. I'll refrain from posting the negative findings from your court martial experience. 3. Thank you for your service. 1
Sneedro Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 To try and bring this thread back on track... This isn't surprising. At some point buying every A380 or 777 aircraft you can to only fly it halfway across the world half empty while selling the actual sold seats at a LCC pricing isn't going to work out. Either their governments are going to have to bail them out big time or theres going to be a lot of big airplanes for sale at flea market prices. The A380 was a economic disaster from the start so at least they have that going for them... Now WTF did any of this have to do with thunderstorms or court martials? Oh none...copy all.
Tank Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Sneedro said: To try and bring this thread back on track... This isn't surprising. At some point buying every A380 or 777 aircraft you can to only fly it halfway across the world half empty while selling the actual sold seats at a LCC pricing isn't going to work out. Either their governments are going to have to bail them out big time or theres going to be a lot of big airplanes for sale at flea market prices. The A380 was a economic disaster from the start so at least they have that going for them... Now WTF did any of this have to do with thunderstorms or court martials? Oh none...copy all. Who gives a f*ck about Emirates. I want to hear about FEB’s and Court Martials!!! 1 1 2
Orbit Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Tank said: Who gives a f*ck about Emirates. I want to hear about FEB’s and Court Martials!!! Someone post the threads!
matmacwc Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Y'all are bringing up old shit like you're a perfect aviator. Glass houses with stones or something like that. 1 1
Duck Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 There’s enough hate to throw at the Air Force without throwing it at each other. Y’all buy some whiskey tonight and just chills. 5 2
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