317 AW (Dyess) commander removed over ‘toxic environment’

[Prosuper]

  On 5/22/2018 at 6:50 PM, FUSEPLUG said:

Even with some pre-VSP exec stink on me, I had the same question.  Quick Google search quickly defined that piece of stupidity for me.  When multiple PPT slides are to much to digest in one sitting... 

So that's a thing now, huh?

 

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Maybe we should put all the blame on Bill Gates for having his minions for inventing the damn thing. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Prosuper
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[FUSEPLUG]

  On 5/22/2018 at 6:56 PM, Prosuper said:

Maybe we should put all the blame on Bill Gates for having his minions for inventing the damn thing. 

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A quad chart puts exponentially more information on your standard PowerPoint slide - which is vital for every off-station mission.  Thank you, Col Owens for not letting that bit of queep die like it should have.

[matmacwc]

  On 5/22/2018 at 7:06 PM, FUSEPLUG said:

A quad chart puts exponentially more information on your standard PowerPoint slide - which is vital for every off-station mission.  Thank you, Col Owens for not letting that bit of queep die like it should have.

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Ever done a SIB out brief to a general?  Double slides/power point/projectors/computers.  You even have to have somebody click at the same time so its simultaneous.   If you are going to queep out I guess that would be the place, but still ridiculous.  

[FUSEPLUG]

  On 5/22/2018 at 8:34 PM, matmacwc said:

Ever done a SIB out brief to a general?

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Nope.  Thankfully I guess I haven't.  

An OST in my neck of the woods is:

 "Hey OG (first name), you good if we go to KXYZ and grab some lunch?  They've got that NDB circle we all need in order to green up for the semi since the sim is down for some secret squirrel upgrade that we will never need at this base..."

If he says no... then I guess I pick up the equivalent to a "green slip" and go non-current in July... for an NDB circle.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2018 by FUSEPLUG
Turns out today is my 15th year anniversary on this shit-hole site. F you guys!

[SurelySerious]

  On 5/22/2018 at 5:35 PM, tac airlifter said:

What’s a quad chart?

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I recently had a staff person ask for info on a “5x8,” and my reaction was WTF is that. So I asked nicely for an example of this format. And it was just a stupid quad chart. 

 

Ugh. 

[HarleyQuinn]

Are commanders falling like a $10 Russian juicee in heels or what? Damn I miss Korea and that lady who would park her food cart at the front gate of Osan right around the soju walk of fame curfew time.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/05/22/commander-senior-enlisted-fired-from-air-force-civil-engineer-squadron/

Edited May 22, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[brickhistory]

From the article:

The 90th Civil Engineer Squadron is part of the 90th Mission Support Group, and provides civil engineering support to more than 29,000 active duty and reserve service members, family members, and retirees at the missile wing.

 

I did not realize that I, as a retiree, or those of you still in can have your family members, can get civil engineering support.  

[Homestar]

I imagine that many of the civilian employees in the base are retirees. Plus, you know, the commissary. 

[Homestar]

  On 5/22/2018 at 9:23 PM, FUSEPLUG said:

 ...an NDB circle.

 

 

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What? Are you trying to kill yourself? 😂

[brickhistory]

Or padding for mission justification - manning, budget, etc.

Check sarcasm detector; reset lamp...

[FourFans]

  On 5/22/2018 at 5:35 PM, tac airlifter said:

What’s a quad chart?

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A force multiplier

 

[dream big]

  On 5/22/2018 at 3:13 AM, BADFNZ said:

I heard the recently canned 317 AW/CC made crews create a quad chart for any non-TACC off-station mission to brief to him? 

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This is a fact.  He would also personally sit in on cert boards and lecture upgrade candidates for an hour while the OG and SQ/CCs sat on their thumbs ackwardly.

[FourFans]

  On 5/23/2018 at 10:27 AM, dream big said:

He would also personally sit in on cert boards and lecture upgrade candidates for an hour...

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Little known fact: this is also a force multiplier...

...for Delta.

[Homestar]

  On 5/23/2018 at 8:49 AM, FourFans130 said:

A force multiplier

 

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But is it value added?

[FourFans]

  On 5/23/2018 at 11:01 AM, Homestar said:

But is it value added?

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If you have to ask, you're clearly not HPO material.

Edited May 23, 2018 by FourFans130
The double deuce!

[Azimuth]

  On 5/22/2018 at 11:12 PM, HarleyQuinn said:

Are commanders falling like a $10 Russian juicee in heels or what? Damn I miss Korea and that lady who would park her food cart at the front gate of Osan right around the soju walk of fame curfew time.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/05/22/commander-senior-enlisted-fired-from-air-force-civil-engineer-squadron/

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They were probably fucking. When's their court martial?

[backseatdriver]

  On 5/23/2018 at 2:56 PM, Azimuth said:

They were probably fucking. When's their court martial?

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Wow.  Jump to conclusions much?

[okawner]

  On 5/22/2018 at 5:35 PM, tac airlifter said:

What’s a quad chart?

..........

[matmacwc]

  On 5/23/2018 at 6:48 PM, backseatdriver said:

Wow.  Jump to conclusions much?

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That was my assumption as well.

[Oo7kerpow]

  On 5/22/2018 at 3:13 AM, BADFNZ said:

I heard the recently canned 317 AW/CC made crews create a quad chart for any non-TACC off-station mission to brief to him? 

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I don't know the guy but in all fairness this briefing (minus the requirement for said quad-chart, which is popular with the Army) has been required since I was at Dyess back in 2009, and maybe before that.  Except it used to be to the AG/CC before there was a wing commander...I remember briefing my mission to the then-AG/CC and getting questions like "Where are you planning on eating with your crew" and "Who is driving the rental car."  Cosmic mission related questions, I know.

[BroncoEN]

  On 5/24/2018 at 12:20 AM, Oo7kerpow said:

I don't know the guy but in all fairness this briefing (minus the requirement for said quad-chart, which is popular with the Army) has been required since I was at Dyess back in 2009, and maybe before that.  Except it used to be to the AG/CC before there was a wing commander...I remember briefing my mission to the then-AG/CC and getting questions like "Where are you planning on eating with your crew" and "Who is driving the rental car."  Cosmic mission related questions, I know.

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That died in 2014-ish.. when certain deputy and group commanders left. 

Then there was a period of ‘trust’... then I left. Apparently bliss didn’t last too long. 

[HU&W]

  On 5/17/2018 at 4:09 AM, Herkasaurus said:

And now the vice wing commander is in charge of the J model Airlift Wing...he’s a nav. 

I don’t understand putting a guy in command who can’t fly the only MWS assigned to him. (Yes there are ways he can fly on a J, but that’s not the intent.)

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AFI51-604 para 10 is the reference you're looking for.  Emphasis added.  "Only line of the AF officers with a current aeronautical rating, as defined by AFI 11-402, may command flying units (any unit that has flying, planning and directing the employment of manned and remotely piloted aircraft as their primary mission).  The rated officer must hold a currently effective aeronautical rating or crewmember certification, and must be qualified for aviation service in an airframe flown by the unit to be commanded.  (T-1)"

 

[Weezer]

  On 5/24/2018 at 1:23 AM, HU&W said:

AFI51-604 para 10 is the reference you're looking for.  Emphasis added.  "Only line of the AF officers with a current aeronautical rating, as defined by AFI 11-402, may command flying units (any unit that has flying, planning and directing the employment of manned and remotely piloted aircraft as their primary mission).  The rated officer must hold a currently effective aeronautical rating or crewmember certification, and must be qualified for aviation service in an airframe flown by the unit to be commanded.  (T-1)"

 

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If it’s not “T-0” at the end, it’s waiverable (CSAF or SECAF in this case, I think).

Sorry I know that.

[ThreeHoler]

Things are waiverable even with a T-0. It just may require Congress or some other outside agency coordination.

[SocialD]

T-0/1/2/3 are great and all, but people up the chain have to actually be willing to waive it.  On a recent "deployment" we sent up multiple reasonable waiver requests.  All but one was denied by our parent command over 4 countries away.  Bottom line, someone in the chain has to be willing to assume some risk (even if it is minuscule), which in our case, they clearly were not.  I guess you can't be having those potential black marks on your way up the chain. 

Edited May 25, 2018 by SocialD