What is next for the UPT-Next graduates?

[JimNtexas]

What is the path from Bergstrom to a weapons system for these new pilots?

https://www.aetc.af.mil/News/Article/1593411/flying-training-reimagined-as-first-ptn-class-graduates/

[hindsight2020]

Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. 

 

[Buddy Spike]

33 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said:

Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. 

 

Don't tell me how to live my life.

[dream big]

Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along?

[IDALPHA]

27 minutes ago, dream big said:

Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along?

Yes.

[Majestik Møøse]

3 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

Direct to Viper (Kelly).

Wait, you’re serious? How many T-6 hours? Skipping T-38s and IFF? This can’t be real.

[Jaded]

Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? 

[Magnum]

14 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? 

My money is on the abbreviated syllabus that ends with an FEB at sometime before BFM-5.

[brabus]

They're in a program that's evaluating their ability to do a normal b course. Only admin flying, no grades, no bust vs. pass, etc. If the IPs think they could hack a normal b course syllabus they'll go, else they go back to phase 3 and from there it's standard syllabus (e.g. further emphasis on producing numbers and not quality pilots). As long as this is allowed to be an objective experiment, it's not a bad thing. But obviously it becomes bad if they are forced along by leadership to make the experiment a "success." 

[Spaceballs]

Where do they go next?

 

Back to UPT.

[ayz33]

Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful?

[BashiChuni]

42 minutes ago, ayz33 said:

Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful?

No. 

[brabus]

3 hours ago, Spaceballs said:

Where do they go next?

 

Back to UPT.

Possibly to viper b course if it's determined they're likely to pass. If not, they'll go to normal phase 3 UPT (38s).

[MooseAg03]

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings.


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[SurelySerious]

3 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings*.

 

[MooseAg03]

But they invited the family and had a ceremony, that makes it official.


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[LookieRookie]

3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings.


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If they need T-38 training they are going to the T-38 Transition course at Randolph then IFF at Randolph.

[Fuzz]

"Faster but same"

[MooseAg03]

MooseAg ans Surely,
critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years.

My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT.


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[LookieRookie]

5 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years.

My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT.


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Check above. They won't go to Phase III. They would do a T-38 TX course at Randolph that already exists for Toner Bros that get fighters later in life 

[17D_guy]

4 hours ago, Fuzz said:

"Faster but same"

Sarcasm noted.  However, AFWERX is not kidding with breaking shit and finding non-bureaucracy hindered solutions.  They've done some interesting things so far.

[Fuzz]

I have nothing against AFWERX but calling for ideas when the PTN v1.0 outbrief is still not released and making the claim to make pilots faster with the same quality is putting the cart before the horse. The degredation in quality in new pilots who actually flew planes before they got their wings is evident so I can't wait to see how these ones perform.

[viper154]

On 9/18/2018 at 3:18 PM, Justonethought said:

MooseAg ans Surely,

critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

Ya actually. Every time a 18x er says they are a “pilot” I have no problem pointing to their wings and correcting them.  I’ve been stuck in drones for 3 years, the 18x product is not a pilot. It’s a glorified system manager.

Do they bring a lot to the current fight? F ya they do, probably more than 95% of the current manned platforms, but do they risk life/limb? Or have the training manned dudes have? Hell no. They can’t transit frome point a to b in the AOR without having a published route, don’t get me started on system knowledge. 

 

Take that weak ass shit out of here. 

[SurelySerious]

On 9/18/2018 at 4:18 PM, Justonethought said:

MooseAg ans Surely,

critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

Absolutely. That program has known deficiencies that kicked us dudes without basic aeronautical decision making skills that were having to be taught in the ops sq during MQT. URT being a few sims was solely about mass numbers required in the uav community. 

[Sprkt69]

5 hours ago, viper154 said:

Ya actually. Every time a 18x er says they are a “pilot” I have no problem pointing to their wings and correcting them.  I’ve been stuck in drones for 3 years, the 18x product is not a pilot. It’s a glorified system manager.

Do they bring a lot to the current fight? F ya they do, probably more than 95% of the current manned platforms, but do they risk life/limb? Or have the training manned dudes have? Hell no. They can’t transit frome point a to b in the AOR without having a published route, don’t get me started on system knowledge. 

 

Take that weak ass shit out of here. 

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