How Long For New Studs To Be Disillusioned?

[icohftb]

Or simply failed the 9g profile at the fuge...

[YoungnDumb]

1 hour ago, icohftb said:

Or simply failed the 9g profile at the fuge...

Pretty sure this doesn't disqualify you from being a pilot...

[icohftb]

28 minutes ago, YoungnDumb said:

Pretty sure this doesn't disqualify you from being a pilot...

No youre right. I meant about how he wanted a c5.

[herkbier]

I’d consider editing your post.. unless you don’t want to remain anonymous 

[BashiChuni]

i think you need to grow up, man up, and make the best of your situation and stop crying to a internet message board about it.

you don't have it that bad.

[MooseClub]

On 9/23/2018 at 3:59 PM, HU&W said:

 

2.  Request a VILO under para 4.4.6.

Curious, what is VILO?  Never heard that term before 

[Guest]

Curious, what is VILO?  Never heard that term before 

You could try reading paragraph 4.4.6


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[MooseClub]

39 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

You could try reading paragraph 4.4.6


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Hey-oh!

[General Chang]

Second core value, people.  

Just do 20.  Payoff is yuge.

 

[gearhog]

35 minutes ago, General Chang said:

Second core value, people.  

Just do 20.  Payoff is yuge.

Exactly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't understand the value in Service before self.

But I know very few remaining that blindly accept that all the things they are now required to do qualify as Service.

Disingenuously appealing to a person's moral convictions is a far greater sin than not possessing enough.

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, General Chang said:

Second core value, people.  

Just do 20.  Payoff is yuge.

 

why not 19.69? surely all the money saved through retiree benefits is worth it...

[panchbarnes]

what's worse is being disillusioned from one of the earlier assignments and you say fuck this, I'm out.  Go on to a new assignment/deployment/unit that gives you hope in the big blue machine, only to be crushed again when the good deal/time runs out.  You end up drinking yourself into a stupor and wonder why you fall for this shit twice... 

*in theory only, not from personal experience

Edited September 25, 2018 by panchbarnes

[IDALPHA]

4 minutes ago, panchbarnes said:

what's worse is being disillusioned from one of the earlier assignments and you say this, I'm out.  Go on to a new assignment/deployment/unit that gives you hope in the big blue machine, only to be crushed again when the good deal/time runs out.  You end up drinking yourself into a stupor and wonder why you fall for this shit twice... 

*in theory only, not from personal experience

Shack.

[LookieRookie]

1 hour ago, panchbarnes said:

what's worse is being disillusioned from one of the earlier assignments and you say fuck this, I'm out.  Go on to a new assignment/deployment/unit that gives you hope in the big blue machine, only to be crushed again when the good deal/time runs out.  You end up drinking yourself into a stupor and wonder why you fall for this shit twice... 

*in theory only, not from personal experience

Because you only drink 1-2 times a month with 3 or less drinks?

[Sprkt69]

2 hours ago, LookieRookie said:

Because you only drink 1-2 times a month with 3 or less drinks?

Only if you are in a location that serves, otherwise best go make friends with TF

[Buddy Spike]

7 hours ago, General Chang said:

Second core value, people.  

Just do 20.  Payoff is yuge.

 

Go with your data.

[matmacwc]

On 9/22/2018 at 6:35 AM, euser said:

I never claim for it to be all the Air Force’s fault. I have more important priorities outside the Air Force. I don’t think flying military aircraft is worth putting my family through hell, working so much the kid barely knows you, only being able to live in shitty locations where your spouse struggles to find a professional career of their own, and having absolutely no control of your life. When I have the 10 seconds every other flight that I’m not stressed about getting flight violated, killing someone, killing myself, or being bad at my job it can be enjoyable. My bitterness really started when I was forced 38’s under the guise of universal assignability and that I’ll still be able to get a C-5, and then dropped an 11F when the only thing lower was AFSOC airframes. Yes, I had AWACS above all fighters. Our T-1s even dropped a C-5. I understand a lot of people would give a lot to be an 11F, but I’m also in a community where all they do is shit on other MWSs that people work hard for because it doesn’t have an afterburner or pull 9G’s. Most of the guys my age care about nothing but killing people and going to war with no regard for life outside the military, it’s just not my goals. I could at least mitigate some family stressors if I was guard/reserve. On that note, I still do my job well whether I like it or not, but it is very draining. I still don’t have a desire to fly for the airlines though. 

AD sucks, still the best job ever.  You cannot do in civilian life what you do as an 11F, you can in a C-5.  Enjoy the ride while you are doing it, if you don't, you are doing it wrong.

[Spaceballs]

I saw a lot of bros start turning that way in UPT. When half the IPs tell you if you go:

Airlift - you’ll fly drones in 2 years

Bombers - you’ll never fly, then staff job

AFSOC - it won’t drop and they’re all divorced

Fighters - you work so hard you’ll hate your life and get out ASAP 

 

[brabus]

That's a huge problem - every kid reading this who's going to UPT/in UPT, strongly consider this: besides the few guys who wanted a UPT assignment, many of your AD IPs are there because they were towards the bottom of their group when assignment time came. Doesn't mean they're bad pilots, not capable UPT IPs, or bad bros. But when you hear an IP making stupid, sweeping generalizations like above, take it with a grain of salt - many believe they got screwed, feel animosity towards a job/aircraft community because of the UPT assignment, etc. They're talking shit to make themselves feel better about their current lot in the AF. 

I saw this 11 years ago in UPT, it's nothing new. 

[Ryder]

13 minutes ago, brabus said:

That's a huge problem - every kid reading this who's going to UPT/in UPT, strongly consider this: besides the few guys who wanted a UPT assignment, many of your AD IPs are there because they were towards the bottom of their group when assignment time came. Doesn't mean they're bad pilots, not capable UPT IPs, or bad bros. But when you hear an IP making stupid, sweeping generalizations like above, take it with a grain of salt - many believe they got screwed, feel animosity towards a job/aircraft community because of the UPT assignment, etc. They're talking shit to make themselves feel better about their current lot in the AF. 

I saw this 11 years ago in UPT, it's nothing new. 

Lots of generalizations here. At the end of the day you can’t argue with a 40% take rate when the goal is 65%. I argue the take rate should be 75 or higher when you could make the case of flying fighters is the greatest job in the world. Something is probably wrong with the system.  From what I’ve seen most of the 38 IPs at my base that talk the most about getting out ASAP are the bomber and cargo guys.  6/9 of the fighter guys want to go back to their original MWS. 

[brabus]

My post had nothing to do with the bonus. It's also is not defending AF bullshit. What it is doing is highlighting to new guys they're surrounded by "I got a raw deal" IPs who may provide above average jaded opinions of MDS/community X that are not shared by many of those who are still in said MDS/community.

[gearhog]

On 9/25/2018 at 5:10 PM, matmacwc said:

AD sucks, still the best job ever.  You cannot do in civilian life what you do as an 11F, you can in a C-5.  Enjoy the ride while you are doing it, if you don't, you are doing it wrong.

For me, the difference has always been the flightline ECP.  From the moment I step over and take the long walk to the aircraft, there is no job I'd rather have until I cross it again. Early on in my career, there was almost nothing I wouldn't do to be able to walk across that line and fly the aircraft. 

It all gets balanced by everything that happens on the other side of the ECP. If a person's interest lies in flying aircraft, it typically doesn't take but a few years to accomplish most of the general flying achievements available to you in your aircraft.

The problem among younger folks seems to be flying the same mission currencies for the X hundredth time doesn't offset the increasing level of frustration from everything on the other side of the ECP.

People are losing their enthusiasm for the best job in the world earlier than ever, and it isn't just because they're not looking at the bright side of things.

[tac airlifter]

5 minutes ago, torqued said:

If a person's interest lies in flying aircraft, it typically doesn't take but a few years to accomplish most of the general flying achievements available to you in your aircraft.

 Then change aircraft. Learn new things, have new challenges.  

[MooseClub]

11 hours ago, torqued said:

For me, the difference has always been the flightline ECP.  From the moment I step over and take the long walk to the aircraft, there is no job I'd rather have until I cross it again. Early on in my career, there was almost nothing I wouldn't do to be able to walk across that line and fly the aircraft. 

It all gets balanced by everything that happens on the other side of the ECP. If a person's interest lies in flying aircraft, it typically doesn't take but a few years to accomplish most of the general flying achievements available to you in your aircraft.

The problem among younger folks seems to be flying the same mission currencies for the X hundredth time doesn't offset the increasing level of frustration from everything on the other side of the ECP.

People are losing their enthusiasm for the best job in the world earlier than ever, and it isn't just because they're not looking at the bright side of things.

^solid

Something that’s exciting can get boring after X years flying the same mission. When you have nothing left to achieve or accomplish in that community it’s time to find a new one/challenge, before you become that disgruntled dude just waiting to retire 

[gearhog]

11 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

 Then change aircraft. Learn new things, have new challenges.  

I did, eleven years ago. Boeing 737. It's working out great. Besides, I'm not willing to commute more than 25 miles to a Guard job, so I'm stuck with the Herc for the next 6 months till retirement.

It's about the bullshit to flying ratio. Example: the Herc is a more "spiritually" rewarding and challenging aircraft to fly well than the 737, by let's say, a factor of two. Most are more than willing to accept twice as much bullshit to get to fly it. Recent studies have shown the bullshit required to fly an AF aircraft the duration of your career exceeds the bullshit to fly a major airline aircraft by at least a factor of 5. The airlines also pay me to forget about airline bullshit.

Principles are a luxury for those who have options. 😄