Buddy Spike Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 5:21 PM, torqued said: They don't "need" the overwater airspace as much as I need to fly direct from FLL or MCO to MSY or HOU. Expand Uhh, yes, they do. 1
SocialD Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 5:44 PM, Buddy Spike said: Uhh, yes, they do. Expand
HossHarris Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 1:06 PM, Lord Ratner said: I wonder how many F22s it would have cost to dig underground plane shelters. And no scoffing. If we can land on the moon, build a missile tracking base in a mountain, and drive floating airports all over the ocean, we could have built a few big basements for planes as small as fighters in hurricane land. Expand You’re a special kind of stupid aintcha? 1
Lord Ratner Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 9:21 PM, HossHarris said: You’re a special kind of stupid aintcha?I guess so. I'm not sure which is crazier, this tunnel, which is clearly impossible given the water table and hurricane activity in the region, or that a bunch of educated adults who literally fly through the air on the magic of (decades-old) human innovation think that we couldn't find a way protect small airplanes from wind and water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Miami_Tunnel 1
Homestar Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Asking if we have erred strategically in placing such a large fleet of expensive assets in harm's way is a valid question. It's an ORM problem akin to a preflight ORM. There is a level of acceptable risk with each mission and with each basing decision. Looking to see if this risk was appropriately evaluated is pretty much what we do anytime there is an aircraft mishap. We have plenty of AF assets in tornado alley. Lots of others sit in other beach-side hurricane zones. Some sit on earthquake faults. But, just like any aircraft mishap, we need to look back and decide if the risk was worth the price. In this case, it was potentially an extremely steep price. 1
gearhog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 5:44 PM, Buddy Spike said: Uhh, yes, they do. Expand I dunno. I kinda feel like the inconvenience of me always flying around that airspace far exceeds the necessity for someone else to fly in circles within it. 1
Buddy Spike Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 10:45 PM, torqued said: I dunno. I kinda feel like the inconvenience of me always flying around that airspace far exceeds the necessity for someone else to fly in circles within it. Expand If you're not getting paid by the minute, you're doing it wrong anyway. 2 2
MooseAg03 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 9:33 PM, Lord Ratner said: I guess so. I'm not sure which is crazier, this tunnel, which is clearly impossible given the water table and hurricane activity in the region, or that a bunch of educated adults who literally fly through the air on the magic of (decades-old) human innovation think that we couldn't find a way protect small airplanes from wind and water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Miami_TunnelI’m glad someone mentioned this. There are tunnels in coastal cities all over the US, even with the high water table. Houston has no tunnels, but has underground walkways downtown. The issue would be controlling the flooding from a storm surge, but I’m sure that can be figured out...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Prosuper Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base. 4
Buddy Spike Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 GoFundMe to support the bros trying to rebuild in the area: https://gofundme.com/hurricane-michael-relief-funds 1
Breckey Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 11:09 PM, Prosuper said: Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base. Expand Just don’t drink the water.
skibum Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Good before and after wed site from USAA: https://usaa-catmap.s3-website.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/
Jester203 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 A way to rapidly airlift large, unflyable aircraft already exists... 😛 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft
waveshaper Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) On 10/15/2018 at 12:44 PM, brabus said: Consider the extra time, money, and depot absorption limfacs to push normal phase externally. Unlikely to be a palatable Plan A. The most cost effective and efficient way forward is likely in the realm of building HAS with weather driving the design (as lawman pointed). Expand One thing that surprised me about Eglin was why they didn't use all the existing Hardened Aircraft Shelters on the base/reservation to store stuff during hurricanes. I was stationed there 5 times in my career/lots of hurricanes/hurricane prep/evacuations of flyable aircraft and stuffing the broke birds/equipment in hangers, etc. Same fallible drill every time. Edited October 16, 2018 by waveshaper 1
Buddy Spike Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 2:56 PM, ClearedHot said: Expand Forget about the Raptors - more importantly, how many T-38As were damaged in the storm? 1
matmacwc Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 5:21 PM, torqued said: They don't "need" the overwater airspace as much as I need to fly direct from FLL or MCO to MSY or HOU. Expand The ROTC forum is a few pages back 1 1 1
Skitzo Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 2:56 PM, ClearedHot said: Expand Are they all complete losses? Time to reopen the line MAGA more Raptors... 5 more squadrons! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3
Stitch Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 11:09 PM, Prosuper said: Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base. Expand Or Loring. Guys will be back stabbing each other big time to get that gig! 1
Prosuper Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 11:40 PM, Breckey said: Just don’t drink the water. Expand No thats Detroit, KI got water from Lake Superior unfiltered which exceeds the EPA standard.
DFRESH Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks! 2 3 1
Majestik Møøse Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 I heard the number is now up to 46 damaged Raptors. 1
Kenny Powers Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 1:49 AM, DFRESH said: Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks! Expand On 10/20/2018 at 10:46 PM, Majestik Møøse said: I heard the number is now up to 46 damaged Raptors. Expand Not sure if serious or...
Majestik Møøse Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 10:51 PM, Kenny Powers said: Not sure if serious or... Expand ...
BashiChuni Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 1:49 AM, DFRESH said: Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks! Expand give me a freaking break 1
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