Piper Nick Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Anyone have any updates to the thought process for TDART wrt covid-19 and airlines being poots? I'll be getting out of FTU early next year and will be around 1200TT (eligible for R-ATP) but cant help but think its a smart move to take the bait for TDART. I'll be a 1LT at a heavy unit with an associated active unit, if that matters. My alternatives are: going back to my salary engineering job, bumming + flight instructing, or regionals (assuming they are hiring again mid 2021). Seems like any path I take is probably going to be a grind for a while until I get more mil time built up. Any other downsides to TDART not previously mentioned? Locality pay and bonus seem pretty solid for GS-11 for my area, and I think its probably the best way to posture myself for airlines later on down the line. Advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Go Guard. All pilots GS-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopyShot Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 This is a little nuanced, but when the calculation for a FERS retirement looks at your military time, is it just Active Duty (RegAF/MPA/RPA/AT/Contingency/etc.) or do UTAs/IDTs get added to the calculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 8:58 AM, Piper Nick said: Anyone have any updates to the thought process for TDART wrt covid-19 and airlines being poots? I'll be getting out of FTU early next year and will be around 1200TT (eligible for R-ATP) but cant help but think its a smart move to take the bait for TDART. I'll be a 1LT at a heavy unit with an associated active unit, if that matters. My alternatives are: going back to my salary engineering job, bumming + flight instructing, or regionals (assuming they are hiring again mid 2021). Seems like any path I take is probably going to be a grind for a while until I get more mil time built up. Any other downsides to TDART not previously mentioned? Locality pay and bonus seem pretty solid for GS-11 for my area, and I think its probably the best way to posture myself for airlines later on down the line. Advice? Take the T-DART, it's a layup. Back when I was in your shoes, the Lost Decade was in full swing and there was no TDART. It was a grind to trough as an O-2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 New pay tables are great. Pilot bonus is in addition to locality. You're looking at $120-150k /yr from Step 1 - 7. They'd be real stupid to try to go the other way on the tables due to COVID. This little road bump in airline hiring isn't going to last very long. By the time we know it, it'll be in full swing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter14 Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 They'd be real stupid to try to go the other way on the tables due to COVID. This little road bump in airline hiring isn't going to last very long. By the time we know it, it'll be in full swing again. The first time I saw the proposed new GS-13 pilot pay tables was in 2016 when my OG at the time got a draft from a friend at AFRC and they had been kicking around for a while.I think they went into effect with the ANG in Dec 2018, two weeks after I resigned the technician position I had held since 2007 to go to the airlines.So basically it takes over three years to change one table. We lost a lot of pilots to the airlines in that timeframe.It would take that long or longer to change it back. It won’t turn on a dime. Remember guys, we are talking about the federal government here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcuziknow Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 22 hours ago, ROCK 10 said: Good question, three part answer: 1. ALL AD time prior to your FERS/ART start date will be calculated to move your SCD (Service Computation Date) to the left - NO IDT is used. 2. You can/should do a MIL BUYBACK/Deposit to get FERS credit for this time, and it will be added to your FERS longevity for retirement purposes. In my case, this added 32 months of creditable FERS service at very low $$. 3. No AD time will be used after your FERS start date. Best of luck with your decision, take care. 3. Not entirely correct. Should you take any extended tour 6 mos or greater AD time (i.e. AGR, USERRA and/or LWOP-mil) will count ONLY if you buy it back (for retirement purposes) or pay the equivalent Civ missed FERS deposits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Buying back time isn't very cost effective for officers. It's great if you were an enlisted troop and you land a GS-12 or 13 job, but for officers it's pretty expensive and with the FERS being such a dismal program these days (it's changed quite a bit in the last 7-8 years with ART's having to contribute 4+% into their FERS pot now instead of .8%). With that and the fact that the longevity of a pilot in an ART job generally being quite low, you're better off forgetting about it and cashing out your FERS pot when you separate the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobucks Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Question for the group, Would an O-4, 2500 mil time, going to an AFRC unit of a different MDS be hired as a GS-11 or GS-13? Referencing the the AFRC pilot opportunities guidebook, appendix 7 and it looks like Gs-13 but I am looking to confirm. Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 I would think 13, and if they said 11, I’d tell them to GFY and find another unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Question for the group, Would an O-4, 2500 mil time, going to an AFRC unit of a different MDS be hired as a GS-11 or GS-13? Referencing the the AFRC pilot opportunities guidebook, appendix 7 and it looks like Gs-13 but I am looking to confirm. Thanks all They also don't have to be hired into Step 1. They can hire into a higher step if your qualifications justify it.Sent from my SM-F721U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icohftb Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Not exactly the same but anyone have experience working as a GS pilot after AD retirement? (Not ART). Trying to understand special rate pay vs locality pay and if you can "buy into" just military academy time towards the FERS retirement. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 special rate table supersedes locality pay (to wit, it's inclusive of it). As to the second question, don't know since I stopped looking at ARTs decades ago, but gonna go with probably with 'no'. Congrats on the active retirement, looking forward to locking in that eligibility myself here in 33.5 months (not that I'm counting 😄). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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