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[VMFA187]

38 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

You can fly upside down in helos!  
 

(once)

I think there is a video of a CH-53 doing a loop somewhere...

[Biff_T]

15 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

I think there is a video of a CH-53 doing a loop somewhere...

https://youtu.be/VC2E8RJE3Jo

 

Edit: Huge nutsack alert!!!

Edited May 31, 2023 by Biff_T
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[Bigred]

2 hours ago, Biff_T said:

https://youtu.be/VC2E8RJE3Jo

 

Edit: Huge nutsack alert!!!

In the early days of the -53 a loop was part of the FCF profile. At least according some of the sim instructors in Milton. 

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, Bigred said:

In the early days of the -53 a loop was part of the FCF profile. At least according some of the sim instructors in Milton. 

As a former FCF pilot, thats "nuts", big huge ones lol.   

Edit: Fully articulated rotors won't fall off like a "semi rigid" (sts) underslung rotor.  Lol.  This gave me one more chance to use "semi rigid" in a professional conversation.  Hats off to the old dudes!  They did a lot of crazy shit before I was born.  Loops in 53s, smoking in cockpits and fix to fixes without the GPS lol.  

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Biff_T
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[Pooter]

Pulling out of a loop at 900 AGL in a gigantic helicopter JFC yeah that's gonna be a no from me dawg

[brabus]

20 hours ago, Bigred said:

I’d say that validates his point. 

Apples and oranges. They don’t lack precision flying ability, they lack SA without all the data fed to them on a display (or make poor decisions as it pertains to safety of flight/general airmanship). VMFA and I are on the same page now - they need to be challenged so they learn how to maintain SA when toys go down and make good decisions without a FL/IP telling them what to do. This problem is a direct correlation to cutting air-under-ass time throughout the pipeline and letting them skate by with unchallenging/benign flying. 

[HuggyU2]

As many of you know, I'm into the airshow scene. 
Chuck Aaron retired but was amazing.  Before he flew he was very focused and even tense.  He said his performance margins were thin.  

Aaron Fitzgerald has taken over and flies a great show.

 

[Biff_T]

9 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

As many of you know, I'm into the airshow scene. 
Chuck Aaron retired but was amazing.  Before he flew he was very focused and even tense.  He said his performance margins were thin.  

Aaron Fitzgerald has taken over and flies a great show.

 

Those are crazy mfers man!   It doesn't feel natural to pull over the  horizon without wings lol.  

[HossHarris]

4 hours ago, Biff_T said:

They did a lot of crazy shit before I was born.  Loops in 53s, smoking in cockpits and fix to fixes without the GPS lol.  

 

All while getting their own ATIS …

[Bigred]

4 hours ago, brabus said:

Apples and oranges. They don’t lack precision flying ability, they lack SA without all the data fed to them on a display (or make poor decisions as it pertains to safety of flight/general airmanship). VMFA and I are on the same page now - they need to be challenged so they learn how to maintain SA when toys go down and make good decisions without a FL/IP telling them what to do. This problem is a direct correlation to cutting air-under-ass time throughout the pipeline and letting them skate by with unchallenging/benign flying. 

Ah, I see your point now. I’m agreement with all of that. 

[TreeA10]

8 hours ago, HossHarris said:

All while getting their own ATIS …

Formation touch and goes in the Talon, 100 foot low level in the Hawg......AND getting my own ATIS....I'm lucky to have survived.

[Biff_T]

It was a little harder getting ATIS in the Huey single pilot.  We were so slow, it'd change several times from the time I was 7 miles out to touch down.  So much ATIS.  I have nightmares about it. 

[jice]

What’s the latest rumint from AETC about the future of T-38 Phase 3 and IFF? Heard some rumblings about a combined Fighter Bomber Fundamentals course replacing both, with an experiment running somewhere. Any first-hand experience or  great insight on the board?

Edited June 11, 2023 by jice

[LookieRookie]

9 hours ago, jice said:

What’s the latest rumint from AETC about the future of T-38 Phase 3 and IFF? Heard some rumblings about a combined Fighter Bomber Fundamentals course replacing both, with an experiment running somewhere. Any first-hand experience or  great insight on the board?

Yes. FBF SGTO #1 is running at CBM this summer.
 

Until bombers go T-1s/AMF-S only and stop flying T-38s completely.

[hindsight2020]

11Bs moving to t-1s as an end state COA wrt FBF is bad intel. But it's also moot since nobody asking that question today is going to fly the t7 in upt anyways.

[Danger41]

What goes into this FBF syllabus? I assume it incorporates some IFF stuff on the admin side but also some perch BFM type stuff? Surface attack/range stuff? 

[LookieRookie]

5 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

11Bs moving to t-1s as an end state COA wrt FBF is bad intel. But it's also moot since nobody asking that question today is going to fly the t7 in upt anyways.

it has nothing do with FBF. It has to do with capacity and it’s a real COA being discussed at air staff

[CaptainMorgan]

it has nothing do with FBF. It has to do with capacity and it’s a real COA being discussed at air staff

The same Air Staff that decided that a red bird sim is a valid replacement for an aircraft? Let’s go full(er) retard and make a Phase 3 where the studs just watch tik tok.

*Please don’t suggest this to anyone in the puzzle palace, they’ll probably run with it.


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[Pooter]

Just once, I'd love to hear news about UPT getting more rigorous. Literally in any way

[Inertia17]

9 hours ago, Pooter said:

Just once, I'd love to hear news about UPT getting more rigorous. Literally in any way

 

[di1630]

The problem goes all the way back to recruitment. We aren’t getting America’s best…we are getting the best the USAF can/wants to recruit.


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[Arkbird]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:50 PM, Pooter said:

Just once, I'd love to hear news about UPT getting more rigorous. Literally in any way

Well the news (good or bad depending on how you feel about the syllabus) is that UPT is going to something similar to the old syllabus. Should be about three checkrides with one after trans, one after nav, and one after form. Mission to top off then track select and graduation a few weeks later follow by T-1s or T-38s. So there is that. Dunno if that means it's getting more rigorous or not. 

[CaptainMorgan]

Well the news (good or bad depending on how you feel about the syllabus) is that UPT is going to something similar to the old syllabus. Should be about three checkrides with one after trans, one after nav, and one after form. Mission to top off then track select and graduation a few weeks later follow by T-1s or T-38s. So there is that. Dunno if that means it's getting more rigorous or not. 

Still sim only for T-1s?


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[Arkbird]

21 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

Still sim only for T-1s?


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Unfortunately. Air Force says they don't want to keep paying to maintain the T-1 and its engines. They're still going to keep a few AMP tails around for IP currency but they're still planning to make it go sim only soonish. 

[HuggyU2]

19 hours ago, Arkbird said:

Unfortunately. Air Force says they don't want to keep paying to maintain the T-1 and its engines. They're still going to keep a few AMP tails around for IP currency but they're still planning to make it go sim only soonish. 

Has anybody been fired or held accountable for this foolishness?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39945/the-air-force-spent-134m-to-repair-39-hail-damaged-t-1-jet-trainers-its-about-to-retire

For a jet worth under $1M.  Unsat.  

Edited July 26, 2023 by HuggyU2