COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Danger41]

20 hours ago, Homestar said:

Not sure why or how you made this leap, but maybe you could try to bury your religious bigotry while you’re making your point. 

Speaking of getting buried...take this!

 

[Sua Sponte]

[brickhistory]

Indeed.

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Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/new-jersey-woman-kim-pagan-charged-for-organizing-protest-against-covid-19-stay-at-home-orders/

 

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Pagan was charged by New Jersey State Police with violating Murphy’s Coronavirus-inspired emergency order “by organizing a prohibited event” near the statehouse and elsewhere in the capital city in which “protesters gathered” in order “to demonstrate against the Governor’s Executive Orders,” according to authorities.

 

Even a state school grad can see this one doesn't pass the test...

[JBueno]

Here’s my question for the day reference where medical advice is trending:

What data scenario would allow us to end these lockdowns?

Data shows very low infection or death rate? Keep them in place.

Data shows much higher infection or death rate? Keep them in place.

Data shows we shacked the infection/death rate? Keep them in place.

This is like the public health version of the GWOT/ drugs/ poverty. We will be forever turning the corner!

[drewpey]

50 minutes ago, JBueno said:

Here’s my question for the day reference where medical advice is trending:

What data scenario would allow us to end these lockdowns?

Data shows very low infection or death rate? Keep them in place.

Data shows much higher infection or death rate? Keep them in place.

Data shows we shacked the infection/death rate? Keep them in place.

This is like the public health version of the GWOT/ drugs/ poverty. We will be forever turning the corner!

 

On 4/15/2020 at 5:59 PM, nsplayr said:

Ed Yong has done some fantastic writing over at The Atlantic about the, “What next?” question. I recommend both of these pieces.

Start here: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Latest here: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/

 

 

[drewpey]

3 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Even a state school grad can see this one doesn't pass the test...

The days you seek are long gone, and now there is little political cost to enacting measures that later may or may not get struck down in court.  It's Gretzky's Law...you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

[Clark Griswold]

On the Information Front:    China falsely telling Arab world U.S. behind coronavirus

They're still pushing the bullshit that the International Military Games and the visitors to China were the source of it, no.  If the US, doesn't push back as hard as hell this crap will take root in the developing world and they get off scot free for royally screwing over the world 

 

[Pooter]

On 4/17/2020 at 7:28 PM, Homestar said:

You went from making a reasonable point to saying religious people should all get together and give themselves coronovirus because they’re stupid.  Not sure why or how you made this leap, but maybe you could try to bury your religious bigotry while you’re making your point. 

No, I said they should be allowed to do that if they want to. On the condition it wouldn't affect other people. It's not religious bigotry. I'll say the same about the throngs of Florida beach goers yesterday, people who throw coronavirus parties, and anyone else who chooses to congregate in large groups during a pandemic.  
 

Doing things that increase your probability of death, or an inability to adapt (behaviors in this case) are the drivers of natural selection.  I'm sorry that offends some people.

 

[kaputt]

This is from my own social media and is written by a friend’s girlfriend who is a nurse. She wants all protesters to not only be arrested for protesting but also be prohibited from receiving medical care. 
 

Yikes was my only reaction. Pretty scary thoughts running through the heads of normal citizens in this country right now. 
 

[Homestar]

3 hours ago, Pooterbilbo said:

Doing things that increase your probability of death

Like driving, hiking in the woods, drinking alcohol....right?

[gearhog]

On 4/17/2020 at 7:32 PM, Pooter said:

Ruh Roh

 

4 hours ago, Pooterbilbo said:

Doing things that increase your probability of death, or an inability to adapt (behaviors in this case) are the drivers of natural selection.  I'm sorry that offends some people.

Why are you using two accounts?

Why are you in the military? Why are you a pilot?

[M2]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

Why are you using two accounts?

ADMIN NOTE:  The IP addresses for those accounts are from different states, as are the email addresses.  

If anyone does have duplicate accounts for whatever reason, please let us mods/admins know so we can merge them.

[gearhog]

9 hours ago, M2 said:

ADMIN NOTE:  The IP addresses for those accounts are from different states, as are the email addresses.  

If anyone does have duplicate accounts for whatever reason, please let us mods/admins know so we can merge them.

I should have quoted the relevant posts. Pooter posted something about letting religious people gather so natural selection could take its course. Homestar calls him out. PooterBilbo defends by saying, "No, I said.."

Not that it matters. Just odd.

On 4/17/2020 at 11:41 AM, Pooter said:

Full disclosure: If it wasn't possible for church goers to infect others, I'd be all for them voluntarily gathering in the largest groups possible.  Disregarding public health guidance to worship your imaginary man in the sky is a beautiful example of both constitutional rights and natural selection.  

On 4/17/2020 at 8:28 PM, Homestar said:

You went from making a reasonable point to saying religious people should all get together and give themselves coronovirus because they’re stupid.  Not sure why or how you made this leap, but maybe you could try to bury your religious bigotry while you’re making your point. 

17 hours ago, Pooterbilbo said:

No, I said they should be allowed to do that if they want to. On the condition it wouldn't affect other people. It's not religious bigotry. I'll say the same about the throngs of Florida beach goers yesterday, people who throw coronavirus parties, and anyone else who chooses to congregate in large groups during a pandemic.  

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by torqued

[dream big]

15 hours ago, kaputt said:

This is from my own social media and is written by a friend’s girlfriend who is a nurse. She wants all protesters to not only be arrested for protesting but also be prohibited from receiving medical care. 
 

Yikes was my only reaction. Pretty scary thoughts running through the heads of normal citizens in this country right now. 
 

I am personally terrified that someone that deranged and devoid of logic is allows to be a nurse and work with other’s health. 

[Danger41]

I’ve seen a few of those posts, as well. The big one is something about signing a document that says you won’t take medical treatment once you get it because you didn’t follow quarantine guidelines. I couldn’t help myself and asked the person if smokers, morbidly obese people, motorcyclists etc should all have similar documents since they’re knowingly putting their health at great risk. Imagine how that played out...

[GKinnear]

2 minutes ago, dream big said:

I am personally terrified that someone that deranged and devoid of logic is allows to be a nurse and work with other’s health. 

Do nurses also take the Hippocratic oath? "Do no harm" is an overly simple summary of the oath, but the post in question seems at odds with the professional standards.

What may have been at first well intentioned is giving people delusions of grandeur. 

[M2]

2 hours ago, torqued said:

I should have quoted the relevant posts. Pooter posted something about letting religious people gather so natural selection could take its course. Homestar calls him out. PooterBilbo defends by saying, "No, I said.."

Not that it matters. Just odd.

ADMIN NOTE:  Thanks for the info, I sent him a message about it.  It will be resolved.

[jazzdude]

Do nurses also take the Hippocratic oath? "Do no harm" is an overly simple summary of the oath, but the post in question seems at odds with the professional standards.
What may have been at first well intentioned is giving people delusions of grandeur. 

Yeah, they do.

But like any profession, you've got a wide range of people, and with that comes with a wide range of beliefs and emotions. I chalk it up to a nurse that's frustrated and dealing with a crap situation.

It's like asking a SrA or A1C how to win in Afghanistan, or how to deal with Russia and China-they'll have an option, but maybe it's not so great or realistic.

It's an interesting question to work through (my wife is a nurse who works at a clinic caring for mild COVID positive patients). On one hand, you don't want to turn away someone that needs medical care. On the other, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

What we settled on was all you can do is the best you can for the patients you get while protecting yourself, and hope that the infection rates stay slow enough that the medical system stays ahead of the need. But that's based on her employer right now providing proper PPE (N95 respirators, isolation gowns, googles, face shield, gloves) and continuing to do so. As soon as she doesn't feel safe at work, she's got the option to quit, as we'll be okay on my pay alone (though I doubt she would make that decision lightly).

Oh, and there's been a registered nurse shortage for years, and patient loads have been going up even before the pandemic, and I'm guessing it hasn't gotten any better for the nurses.

[Kiloalpha]

1 hour ago, dream big said:

I am personally terrified that someone that deranged and devoid of logic is allows to be a nurse and work with other’s health. 

Fear drives some people away from liberty and into tyranny. It happens all the time, we’re just seeing it more pronounced now. People are actually turning in neighbors for not wearing masks or having people over. Pretty crazy stuff.

I’d like to think the majority of the American people are worried about the virus, but are becoming more irritated at the size and scope of the shutdown. My parents’ town has had two cases. One death, and the man was in his 80s. They have a mandatory curfew at 8pm. The city police actually pulled over my sister (an essential employee) and interrogated her for her “papers” on the way home. That same area is mandating masks.

So... you know what? Yeah. I’d protest too. It’s the most unconstitutional bunch of shit I have ever seen.

[Waingro]

I'm OK with this, gotta clean out that gene pool!

[gearhog]

4 minutes ago, Waingro said:

I'd be happy if these people died because I don't agree with their politics.

 

[Waingro]

9 minutes ago, torqued said:

I like to gobble on cocks and make up quotes

How'd you conflate politics with having common sense? Not happy with anyone dying but if people are going to willfully flaunt rules designed to protect lives, then I'm ok if they end up paying the price for it. 

[brabus]

Guess I’m OK with a bunch of self-righteous, fear-driven, incapable of critical thought, bubble dwellers having no means to support their family while willingly handing over their freedoms like lambs to slaughter. But, despite their own dumbassery getting them there, I’ll still do my role to help pull them out of the shithole they gladly jumped into. Because that’s what Americans do. Good Americans don’t say, “well I don’t agree with you, so I totally have no problem if you just fuck off and die.”

[drewpey]

31 minutes ago, brabus said:

 Good Americans don’t say, “well I don’t agree with you, so I totally have no problem if you just fuck off and die.”

Ok, so we are all in agreement for more robust social safety nets and a baseline of healthcare to keep people alive and out of bankruptcy?

 

Lots of pearl clutching here.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...regardless of which political party you are part of.  Luckily these people are a very small group of folks and most have enough sense to social distance to help end it faster.

 

I saw this on twitter...I enjoyed it.

[brabus]

37 minutes ago, drewpey said:

Luckily these people are a very small group of folks and most have enough sense to social distance to help end it faster.

That’s a good point. I think the majority have done a good job, there are whackos everywhere and they don’t represent the majority. But an alarming trend is the false dichotomy so many people appear to be clutching - if you don’t blindly support total destruction of liberties or policy making based on unreliable data, then you 100% don’t give a fuck about health or safety and are a window-licking idiot dumber than the dirt on my boots.
 

What if there’s a middle ground where people do care about health/safety, liberty, and don’t want decisions made based on knee jerk data, but instead acknowledge there is a moderate approach to problem solving. All three of those areas of concern can reside in one person, but the far left/right zombies following their “leaders” and wielding online pitchforks refuse to acknowledge it. The “my way is the only way” crowd needs to pull their heads out of their asses. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by brabus