COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[jrizzell]

I'm surprised its taken this long for someone to float this idea.  Everyone get ready for your mandatory Anthrax, err I mean, COVID shot...

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/24/lawmakers-call-on-biden-to-make-covid-vaccines-mandatory-for-the-military/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 03.25.21&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, jrizzell said:

I'm surprised its taken this long for someone to float this idea.  Everyone get ready for your mandatory Anthrax, err I mean, COVID shot...

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/24/lawmakers-call-on-biden-to-make-covid-vaccines-mandatory-for-the-military/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 03.25.21&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

Hope they're going to crank up the capacity to make them if that's the case.  I've been on the list to get one since December and still waiting for my servicing MTF to get enough for me to get vaccinated.

[Homestar]

4 hours ago, jrizzell said:

I'm surprised its taken this long for someone to float this idea.  Everyone get ready for your mandatory Anthrax, err I mean, COVID shot...

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/24/lawmakers-call-on-biden-to-make-covid-vaccines-mandatory-for-the-military/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 03.25.21&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

It was inevitable once enough data had been collected on the vaccine to demonstrate its safety.

[Tank]

8 hours ago, jrizzell said:

I'm surprised its taken this long for someone to float this idea.  Everyone get ready for your mandatory Anthrax, err I mean, COVID shot...

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/24/lawmakers-call-on-biden-to-make-covid-vaccines-mandatory-for-the-military/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 03.25.21&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief

Over/under on the percentage who still refuse to get the vaccine claiming it’s not FDA approved or it’s an unlawful order or for religious reasons, or other reasons...

I am going to go low at 15%

Edited March 25, 2021 by Tank

[Skitzo]

Hope they're going to crank up the capacity to make them if that's the case.  I've been on the list to get one since December and still waiting for my servicing MTF to get enough for me to get vaccinated.

Fine with this decision as long as we stop the need for ROM/Quarantine regardless of vaccination status. If we are that confident in the vaccine then you don’t have to quarantine.

That is not currently policy.

Currently the only thing that exempts you is having had a positive test within the last 90 days and have recovered.


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[magnetfreezer]

26 minutes ago, Skitzo said:

Fine with this decision as long as we stop the need for ROM/Quarantine regardless of vaccination status. If we are that confident in the vaccine then you don’t have to quarantine.

That is not currently policy.

Currently the only thing that exempts you is having had a positive test within the last 90 days and have recovered.


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Or if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask while working out in the gym. That'd get some people in.

[tac airlifter]

59 minutes ago, Skitzo said:

Fine with this decision as long as we stop the need for ROM/Quarantine regardless of vaccination status. If we are that confident in the vaccine then you don’t have to quarantine.

That is not currently policy.

Currently the only thing that exempts you is having had a positive test within the last 90 days and have recovered.


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Exactly right. If the vaccine works, let’s ease restrictions for those who have it.  If it doesn’t work, why would we force it on anyone?

people would trust the experts more if their guidance had any consistency or logic.

[pawnman]

7 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Exactly right. If the vaccine works, let’s ease restrictions for those who have it.  If it doesn’t work, why would we force it on anyone?

people would trust the experts more if their guidance had any consistency or logic.

Well, it's not like a lot of people are listening to experts anyway.  Fauci said schools should be the last things to close and first things to open, and the CDC recently announced that 3 feet away was good enough, no need for 6 feet of separation for anyone under 18.  Yet schools in NYC and LA are still closed.

Follow the science indeed.

[M2]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Well, it's not like a lot of people are listening to experts anyway.  Fauci said schools should be the last things to close and first things to open, and the CDC recently announced that 3 feet away was good enough, no need for 6 feet of separation for anyone under 18.  Yet schools in NYC and LA are still closed.

Follow the science indeed.

[war007afa]

On 3/26/2021 at 2:28 AM, Skitzo said:

Fine with this decision as long as we stop the need for ROM/Quarantine regardless of vaccination status. If we are that confident in the vaccine then you don’t have to quarantine.

That is not currently policy.

Currently the only thing that exempts you is having had a positive test within the last 90 days and have recovered.


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Can’t you still transmit COVID regardless of vaccination?

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19-so-what-can-you-safely-do-2021032522230

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by war007afa
Learned doctors and such

[Trash_Stache]

The majority of people and groups are trying to implement changes for the sake of being able to say they have done 'something'. Another large group of people are just parroting the first group because it's easier than making their own decisions.

The dumb leading the lazy.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Trash_Stache said:

The majority of people and groups are trying to implement changes for the sake of being able to say they have done 'something'. Another large group of people are just parroting the first group because it's easier than making their own decisions.

The dumb leading the lazy.

Some important questions I've been asking that I have not received answers on:

1.) If 75-85% of the population needs inoculated to achieve herd immunity, how will we achieve it when 25% of the population is inellegible for vaccination due to age? 

2.) If herd immunity relies on depriving a virus of eligible hosts of which to infect, how will we achieve it if even after vaccination a person remains an eligible host, albeit with vastly reduced symptoms? 

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

Some important questions I've been asking that I have not received answers on:

1.) If 75-85% of the population needs inoculated to achieve herd immunity, how will we achieve it when 25% of the population is inellegible for vaccination due to age? 

2.) If herd immunity relies on depriving a virus of eligible hosts of which to infect, how will we achieve it if even after vaccination a person remains an eligible host, albeit with vastly reduced symptoms? 

If the vaccine doesn't actually stop the virus from spreading, it will still make an infected person less of a transmitter.  That has the effect of increasing the number of people needing vaccination to get to "herd immunity."  Which isn't stopping the virus, it's dropping the reproduction number below 1, so it eventually dies out.

Considering there isn't any data that I'm aware of that actually pins down how transmissible a low grade infection or borderline asymptomatic infection is, well, I think point 1 is an educated guess.  People think "the experts" know all sorts of secret knowledge, when they're just modeling with lots of assumptions.  The models get better with data, with no data they have to use past experience to make a best guess.

[BashiChuni]

when in doubt i default to liberty and the constitution.

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

when in doubt i default to liberty and the constitution.

So, are you a textualist, originalist, or living constitutionalist?

[GoodSplash9]

If anyone is interested in how poor third world countries completely mitigated Covid without vaccines, shutdowns, or quarantines while the US government and medical community ignored science, this is a pretty awesome fact based scientific video from Dr Ryan Cole. Hint: Vitamin D / Ivermectin

https://youtu.be/wPbxOeYAC7s

For those of you that rave about the vaccine safety, you apparently aren’t concerned about facial paralysis, young healthy people dropping dead within days, miscarriages, long term headaches, etc...I’d encourage you to check the reported deaths and negative side effects in VAERS (in the tens of thousands). There isn’t even a year of data on the safety or effectiveness in a large population (that’s why you are literally part of a medical experiment). I know, the next argument will be percentages despite the fact that covid has a .4% ish fatality rate for all of us under 60. I’d also encourage you to look at how COVID has hit the Air Force: 

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2184415/air-force-update-for-covid-19/
 

2 hospitalizations with 0 deaths in the AD USAF force.

[kaputt]

40 minutes ago, GoodSplash9 said:

If anyone is interested in how poor third world countries completely mitigated Covid without vaccines, shutdowns, or quarantines while the US government and medical community ignored science, this is a pretty awesome fact based scientific video from Dr Ryan Cole. Hint: Vitamin D / Ivermectin

https://youtu.be/wPbxOeYAC7s

For those of you that rave about the vaccine safety, you apparently aren’t concerned about facial paralysis, young healthy people dropping dead within days, miscarriages, long term headaches, etc...I’d encourage you to check the reported deaths and negative side effects in VAERS (in the tens of thousands). There isn’t even a year of data on the safety or effectiveness in a large population (that’s why you are literally part of a medical experiment). I know, the next argument will be percentages despite the fact that covid has a .4% ish fatality rate for all of us under 60. I’d also encourage you to look at how COVID has hit the Air Force: 

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2184415/air-force-update-for-covid-19/
 

2 hospitalizations with 0 deaths in the AD USAF force.

Your COVID vaccine doom porn reads exactly like the clowns that are all in on the "COVID is the worst tragedy to ever strike this earth" doom porn. COVID vax doomers and COVID doomers remind me of the old Communism/Fascism adage; both are so far to opposite sides they actually find themselves back to back in the same spot.  

I think you should maybe lay off the Epoch Times for a bit. The data I saw showed under 1,000 people had died after getting at least the first shot. However it's already come out that the data includes people who died in car accidents or other causes of death. It's not even remotely surprising either that some have died after getting a vaccine when you consider the massive effort to get the elderly vaccinated. It's not hard to imagine an 88 year old getting the vaccine and then dying 2 weeks later because guess what!? They're old!

I've also noticed a hilarious trend of the Vax Doomers. They are often the first to jump and point out that the COVID death numbers make it hard to determine whether someone actually died of COVID or just with COVID, including pointing to examples of car accident deaths or overdoses being labeled as COVID if the person tested positive (which btw, I agree with the notion that our death numbers are likely flawed). But as soon as some data comes out showing deaths after vaccine, the data is all of a sudden gospel truth and proof that people are dropping dead from the jabs and only the jabs. 

Forgive me while I don't jump on your doom train, just like I didn't jump on the COVID fear porn train. Its amazing if you step back and take an objective look at things for more than a few minutes how often you find yourself in a nice middle ground. 

 

[ClearedHot]

12 hours ago, FLEA said:

Some important questions I've been asking that I have not received answers on:

1.) If 75-85% of the population needs inoculated to achieve herd immunity, how will we achieve it when 25% of the population is inellegible for vaccination due to age? 

2.) If herd immunity relies on depriving a virus of eligible hosts of which to infect, how will we achieve it if even after vaccination a person remains an eligible host, albeit with vastly reduced symptoms? 

The 75-85% figure is right out of Fauci's ass.  Most other prominent virologists have been saying 50% since the start.  50% is right in line with most other viruses and with most known traits of other Coronavirus variants.

[GoodSplash9]

6 hours ago, kaputt said:

Your COVID vaccine doom porn reads exactly like the clowns that are all in on the "COVID is the worst tragedy to ever strike this earth" doom porn. COVID vax doomers and COVID doomers remind me of the old Communism/Fascism adage; both are so far to opposite sides they actually find themselves back to back in the same spot.  

I think you should maybe lay off the Epoch Times for a bit. The data I saw showed under 1,000 people had died after getting at least the first shot. However it's already come out that the data includes people who died in car accidents or other causes of death. It's not even remotely surprising either that some have died after getting a vaccine when you consider the massive effort to get the elderly vaccinated. It's not hard to imagine an 88 year old getting the vaccine and then dying 2 weeks later because guess what!? They're old!

I've also noticed a hilarious trend of the Vax Doomers. They are often the first to jump and point out that the COVID death numbers make it hard to determine whether someone actually died of COVID or just with COVID, including pointing to examples of car accident deaths or overdoses being labeled as COVID if the person tested positive (which btw, I agree with the notion that our death numbers are likely flawed). But as soon as some data comes out showing deaths after vaccine, the data is all of a sudden gospel truth and proof that people are dropping dead from the jabs and only the jabs. 

Forgive me while I don't jump on your doom train, just like I didn't jump on the COVID fear porn train. Its amazing if you step back and take an objective look at things for more than a few minutes how often you find yourself in a nice middle ground. 

 

I wouldn’t call myself a vax-doomer. I personally am very convinced the mRNA will be harmful long term (I hope it isn’t), but I couldn’t care less what the herd does to pursue immunity. More of a I’d like to finish my military career and be left alone by the “anti-vax-doomer SS” pushing to force me to violate my faith/integrity and advocating to keep people like me from working, traveling, etc. because they are so scared (happening in Israel of all places right now). Let me take vitamin D and Ivermectin knowing I’m 100% safe and Covid free, and I’m happy.

 

55 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

[Homestar]

34 minutes ago, GoodSplash9 said:

violate my faith

Curious as to which religions take issue with vaccines? I know that Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventist have well known restrictions. Or are we talking “personal” religion?

[HeloDude]

9 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Curious as to which religions take issue with vaccines? I know that Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventist have well known restrictions. Or are we talking “personal” religion?

Isn’t someone’s faith/religion, by definition, “personal”? 

[ecugringo]

1 hour ago, GoodSplash9 said:

I wouldn’t call myself a vax-doomer. I personally am very convinced the mRNA will be harmful long term (I hope it isn’t), but I couldn’t care less what the herd does to pursue immunity. More of a I’d like to finish my military career and be left alone by the “anti-vax-doomer SS” pushing to force me to violate my faith/integrity and advocating to keep people like me from working, traveling, etc. because they are so scared (happening in Israel of all places right now). Let me take vitamin D and Ivermectin knowing I’m 100% safe and Covid free, and I’m happy.

 

Is it odd to anyone else that the most infectious virus ever really only affects the old and sick, kids are mostly unaffected also gets a vaccine created within like 3 or 4 months?  Meanwhile many other viruses still have no vaccine?

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Isn’t someone’s faith/religion, by definition, “personal”? 

Well yeah. But no major religion prohibits vaccines. Some minor religions have prohibitions on transfusions for example, but to say you have a prohibition against vaccines if you belong to a church that has no such restrictions means you really have a “personal” exemption. Not religious. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Homestar

[ClearedHot]

16 minutes ago, ecugringo said:

Is it odd to anyone else that the most infectious virus ever really only affects the old and sick, kids are mostly unaffected also gets a vaccine created within like 3 or 4 months?  Meanwhile many other viruses still have no vaccine?

Who said it is the most infectious diseases ever?  For the record, the nine most infectious diseases are:

Smallpox - Int he 20th century alone it killed 300 million humans.   We have a vaccine.

Influenza - We have a vaccine and update it every year to cover a spectrum of mutations.

Rabies - We have a vaccine.

Tuberculosis - We have a vaccine.

Leprosy - We have a vaccine.

Typhoid Fever - We have a vaccine.

Bubonic Plague - We have a vaccine.

Malaria - We have a vaccine.

HIV/AIDS - We have a treatment, a vaccine is still in the works because this is a very odd virus.

We have been working with Corona viruses for many many years.  This is a simple mutation of a protein spike which was very fortunate for us.  Also, science has advanced and thanks to emergency authorization this was one of the first uses of the mRNA approach.

 

 

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Isn’t someone’s faith/religion, by definition, “personal”? 

Usually they aren't the only member of the faith.

We call that mental illness.  Or sometimes, in small numbers, a cult.