COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Guest]

11 hours ago, BroncoEN said:

Another statistical story that is all like the rest…. “Let’s paint the picture we want to paint.”

Infers PhDs went up in hesitancy… which is wrong, everyone else went down. PhDs stayed mostly static… which is what you’d expect from those that aren’t swayed by media and did their research from the beginning. 

Yes, that’s exactly why I posted it. We are in agreement.

[Prozac]

14 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Must be the fluoride in the water that emasculated ‘em. If there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s all these fucking hipster Karen scientists. Amirite? 

[Tank]

I couldn’t find anything to debunk this article.  Not sure if true or not but if it is true, we’ve got a fight on our hands!!

 

https://realrawnews.com/2021/08/marines-rebuke-def-sec-no-mandatory-vaccinations-for-my-marines/?fbclid=IwAR2ejYDzk7qfXg3sVXRp-L-BCVHbqknKLUERRcTGG_LURzoTvjhqkaQP-Yw

[VMFA187]

15 minutes ago, Tank said:

I couldn’t find anything to debunk this article.  Not sure if true or not but if it is true, we’ve got a fight on our hands!!

 

https://realrawnews.com/2021/08/marines-rebuke-def-sec-no-mandatory-vaccinations-for-my-marines/?fbclid=IwAR2ejYDzk7qfXg3sVXRp-L-BCVHbqknKLUERRcTGG_LURzoTvjhqkaQP-Yw

As a Marine I'd have an incredibly hard time believing the Commandant would say:

“Under no circumstances will Marines be compelled to take a potentially hazardous vaccination that the FDA won’t even fully endorse,” Gen. Berger told Austin. “You are a coward and a traitor, manipulated by people pushing bad policy on the men and women who provide security to our nation. Neither you nor your puppet president has authority to enforce such a policy.”

[brabus]

Not very plausible the USMC Commandant would say/write that publicly, even if he personally feels that way. But, it is possible. 

[Tank]

21 minutes ago, brabus said:

Not very plausible the USMC Commandant would say/write that publicly, even if he personally feels that way. But, it is possible. 

The way I read the article was that it wasn’t stated publicly but behind closed doors on the phone and it was overheard and re-told by a staff member.  
I don’t think the Commandant would ever say anything like that publicly either but I could believe it over the phone and in his office.  

[Prefontaine]

Uhh...look at some of the other "news articles" on that site. 

[FlyingWolf]

45 minutes ago, Tank said:

I couldn’t find anything to debunk this article.  Not sure if true or not but if it is true, we’ve got a fight on our hands!!

 

https://realrawnews.com/2021/08/marines-rebuke-def-sec-no-mandatory-vaccinations-for-my-marines/?fbclid=IwAR2ejYDzk7qfXg3sVXRp-L-BCVHbqknKLUERRcTGG_LURzoTvjhqkaQP-Yw

Basic tool in assessing validity of a website: check what else is posted.

 

That site is full of obviously bogus BS.

[Tank]

44 minutes ago, Prefontaine said:

Uhh...look at some of the other "news articles" on that site. 

Noted…. 
Definitely not “news”
 

 

[Day Man]

🌮 for SA

[Guardian]

That makes it even more impressive if true. Dude got the shot but willing to jump on his sword on behalf of the troops he leads.

[Scooter14]

That makes it even more impressive if true. Dude got the shot but willing to jump on his sword on behalf of the troops he leads.

Except it’s from a bullshit fake news site so there’s that.

The sad thing is that people will read that website and believe every word. It almost trapped Tank.

[arg]

3 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

As a Marine I'd have an incredibly hard time believing the Commandant would say:

“Under no circumstances will Marines be compelled to take a potentially hazardous vaccination that the FDA won’t even fully endorse,” Gen. Berger told Austin. “You are a coward and a traitor, manipulated by people pushing bad policy on the men and women who provide security to our nation. Neither you nor your puppet president has authority to enforce such a policy.”

I read that in a Jack Nicholson voice

[Scooter14]

I read that in a Jack Nicholson voice

I eat breakfast 300 yards from 4000 corpsman who are trained to vaccinate me.

[pawnman]

4 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

As a Marine I'd have an incredibly hard time believing the Commandant would say:

“Under no circumstances will Marines be compelled to take a potentially hazardous vaccination that the FDA won’t even fully endorse,” Gen. Berger told Austin. “You are a coward and a traitor, manipulated by people pushing bad policy on the men and women who provide security to our nation. Neither you nor your puppet president has authority to enforce such a policy.”

I have to believe that if a general said that to SECDEF, the second half of this article would be about their replacement. 

[busdriver]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

I have to believe that if a general said that to SECDEF, the second half of this article would be about their replacement. 

Not to mention the whole thing reads like the wet dream of a Qanon level conspiracy theorist.

[Negatory]

Facepalm.

[Negatory]

This opens a legitimate avenue for discussion. Should facebook, twitter, google, etc. be able to point out, when people link any "news" from that website, that the articles are "misinformation" or "fake news?"

[Kiloalpha]

20 minutes ago, Negatory said:

This opens a legitimate avenue for discussion. Should facebook, twitter, google, etc. be able to point out, when people link any "news" from that website, that the articles are "misinformation" or "fake news?"

No. Despite how tempting it is.

[FLEA]

Regardless of the validity, this is going to be a real problem for the USMC with the lowest rate of vaccination among the 4 services. 

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, Negatory said:

This opens a legitimate avenue for discussion. Should facebook, twitter, google, etc. be able to point out, when people link any "news" from that website, that the articles are "misinformation" or "fake news?"

Yes, but I'd like a bit more information from FB when they do. "Our fact-checkers said so" isn't good enough.

Or just slap the label on it but let it stay up.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Yes, but I'd like a bit more information from FB when they do. "Our fact-checkers said so" isn't good enough.

Or just slap the label on it but let it stay up.

I would like to see a meta-analysis of multiple fact checkers too. Like, "our liberal fact checker says its mostly true but our conservative fact checker says its false, and here is a link to their their assessments." Even fact checkers are subject to confirmation bias. 

[TheNewGazmo]

I got my first jab yesterday at my local Pharmacy.  I wanted the Pfizer flavor so I shopped around for one who stocked that one.   16 hours later, I haven't grown an extra testicle yet, so I suppose it's "so-far-so-good".  Slightly sore arm... no other side-effects thus far, but I hear it's the 2nd one that gets you.

I found a good explanation about the COVID vaccines (cut and paste from an article):

Del Rio noted that the vaccines were specifically designed to protect against severe disease and death, and that's what those big vaccine trials looked for. "Infection was never an end-point in these studies," he said. That the vaccines were later found to prevent infection, he said "was a little bit ... like the cherry on the cake."

 

The phrasing also bothers immunologist and virologist Dr. Barney Graham, deputy director of the Vaccine Research Center at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, whose lab played a key role in the development of the Moderna vaccine.

 

Graham described it in a way that really made me visualize the vaccine's effect on your body.

 

"The vaccines were always designed to focus against disease in the lower airways [the lungs] -- not in the upper airways [the nose and upper throat]," he explained.

 

Think about that. According to Graham, a person becomes severely ill when the virus enters the lungs, and that is exactly where the vaccines offer up their most protective barrier. You see, the vaccines trigger the creation of immunoglobulins, which are proteins that function as antibodies. The main one generated by the vaccines is immunoglobulin G (IgG) which easily moves from the blood into the lower airways (the lungs) where it can block the virus. The level of IgG in blood needed to penetrate the tissues of the upper airways (the nose and throat) is much higher and that is why it is more difficult to block the virus from growing in the nose.

 

"That's why we see such consistency in the efficacy against severe disease. It wasn't designed to protect the upper airways as much," he explained.

 

It is also why Graham said scientists weren't expecting the vaccines to prevent infection as much. "We got very lucky that it did to some extent, against earlier strains," he added.

 

And, while the Delta variant is more transmissible, meaning more infections will certainly occur overall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, there will be a bigger difference between the two groups when it comes to protection against severe disease compared to protection against mild or asymptomatic illness, Graham explained. That's clear from data that show the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths happen in the unvaccinated, not the vaccinated.

 

[gearhog]

Anyone know C141/C21 pilot and AZ state rep Wendy Rogers? First I've heard of her.

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by torqued

[HeloDude]

Thank you MSM for giving it to us straight…