COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[VMFA187]

On 8/20/2021 at 12:47 PM, dogfish78 said:

Daily Caller video 🙄, but I like this dude's passion!! Wasn't expecting this level of patriotism near San Diego.

San Diego is actually pretty moderate, especially when compared to the rest of California. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

San Diego is actually pretty moderate, especially when compared to the rest of California. 

Hopefully San Diego can be an isolated part of the the State of Jefferson if that ever gets going 😂

[Guest]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pilots-key-mobilizing-against-military-covid-vaccine-mandate/

Interesting article from a website which has been full of great information over the past 18 months.

[FLEA]

Just now, RedEye1911 said:

Non-voluntary separation due to not taking the vaccine would be the best news in the world to some pilots.

Sort of makes me regret getting the vaccine.....

[pawnman]

53 minutes ago, RedEye1911 said:

Non-voluntary separation due to not taking the vaccine would be the best news in the world to some pilots.

Sounds great until the airlines also require vaccines for employees.

[Prozac]

6 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

San Diego is actually pretty moderate, especially when compared to the rest of California. 

SD is a great American city. Yes, it probably has the best climate in the country & offers some of the best scenery anywhere (yes, that kind of scenery too). But what it really has going for it that so many cities have lost in recent decades is real diversity of thought. The Navy and Marines & a great many veterans are represented in force, most of them very conservative. So are some of the most liberal people in the nation. And somehow everybody seems to be able to get along. They surely don’t agree with each other’s politics, but there seems to be a mutual respect. It really seems to be one of the last great cities where people haven’t sorted themselves into one tribe or another & it’s all the better for it. 

[pawnman]

17 minutes ago, RedEye1911 said:

Some people would be willing to use that as a great way to get out of an ADSC early and to get an early start at an airline.

Some may be unwilling to get the shot for the Air Force, but would easily do it to work for an airline. Give people the choice and you'll find out real quick which they dislike more, the Air Force or the shot.

I guess I hadn't accounted for the lack of integrity in objecting to the vaccine.

[Guest]

Wait a minute, you're telling me as SOON as this Afghanistan crisis started happening, the Army National Guard began posting (August 17, 2021 according to their official webpage) for seeking enlistees for Internment/Resettlement Specialists? Conveniently at the same time Australia is going full retard mode and putting people in covid concentration camps? You know SOME might call this a conspiracy.

https://truthunmuted.org/why-was-the-national-guard-hiring-internment-resettlement-specialists-last-week/

Link to the news article.

https://jobs.nationalguard.com/job/261070/31e-internment-resettlement-specialist/

Army National Guard webpage as it stands now for an Internment/Resettlement Specialist.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210823020816/https://jobs.nationalguard.com/jobs/?q=31E&l=

Webpage archive of 13 postings for Internment/Resettlement Specialist.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210823020656/https://jobs.nationalguard.com/job/261070/31e-internment-resettlement-specialist/

Webpage archive of a single more detailed posting of the above.

[MCO]

3 hours ago, dogfish78 said:

Wait a minute, you're telling me as SOON as this Afghanistan crisis started happening, the Army National Guard began posting (August 17, 2021 according to their official webpage) for seeking enlistees for Internment/Resettlement Specialists?

Yes

 

also Shazam, MyCS?

Edited August 23, 2021 by MCO

[pawnman]

10 hours ago, RedEye1911 said:

Integrity? In this Air Force? In this DoD? lol

Are you new?

Ironic how quickly the people who lament the lack of integrity in senior leadership start engaging in the same behavior once it benefits them.

 

[bennynova]

12 hours ago, FLEA said:

Sort of makes me regret getting the vaccine.....

You will be considered unvaccinated in 3 months.   So there’s always a chance again when you deny booster shot #1 through x....as this is never ending. 

[TreeA10]

A longish article about COVID and the vaccine with data where possible and without spin or political leanings best I can tell.  

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/23/lets_stop_pretending_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html

[Negatory]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

Hopefully this means something to skeptics.

[pawnman]

8 minutes ago, Negatory said:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

Hopefully this means something to skeptics.

I have a feeling they'll pivot from "unapproved vaccine" to a different talking point.

[Negatory]

Unfortunately, I think you’re probably right. Visual depiction of COVID discourse over the next week:

[FlyingWolf]

12 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Unfortunately, I think you’re probably right. Visual depiction of COVID discourse over the next week:

Yeah, probably... also... 14 days to flatten the curve?

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, TreeA10 said:

A longish article about COVID and the vaccine with data where possible and without spin or political leanings best I can tell.  

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/23/lets_stop_pretending_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html

Thanks for posting this. Nice to see someone rationally explaining their viewpoint for a change. 

[Pooter]

On 8/20/2021 at 1:48 PM, dogfish78 said:

This post did NOT age well 🤡

How exactly? The media are still blowing things out of proportion, the don't trust the gubment people are getting sick in droves, and states are largely being left alone to make the rules their constituents want. 
 

Is it surprising to literally anyone that California and New York are the first places talking about vaccine passports? It's almost like that's exactly the type of onerous government the majority of people in those states want. 
 

If dreadlocks California man hates nanny state policies so much, perhaps he should vote with his feet and move to one of the many states that is handling this reasonably. And after that maybe he should reflect on why he ever lived in California in the first place.

[Negatory]

2 hours ago, FlyingWolf said:

Yeah, probably... also... 14 days to flatten the curve?

Ironically, people in science overwhelmingly did not believe or tout that stance. 14 days to flatten the curve was an uninformed political viewpoint only that was shared, to everyone’s detriment, primarily on social media. It’s feel good mumbo jumbo that both political sides got entirely wrong and are now using idiotically. Science didn’t.

For proof, I posted this scientific paper back in March 2020 that showed it was impossible, and always will be impossible, to ever “flatten the curve” in a timeline of weeks:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Jm0O4FAAHk7WfglUHriN3VuzIjrrcg3wY96ZtEK5XcLl5aPTesMbXZR4

Page 8 shows that best case with case isolation and social distancing, Britain would still exceed their surge ICU capacity by nearly 10 times. Page 10 shows that social distancing efforts would only last so long before things blow up in… Dec 2020.

”Flattening the Curve” was never pushed by science. You’re being propagandized.

Edit: took out condescending sentence, my b.

Edited August 23, 2021 by Negatory

[pawnman]

25 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Ironically, people in science overwhelmingly did not believe or tout that stance. 14 days to flatten the curve was an uninformed political viewpoint only that was shared, to everyone’s detriment, primarily on social media. It’s feel good mumbo jumbo that both political sides got entirely wrong and are now using idiotically. Science didn’t.

For proof, I posted this scientific paper back in March 2020 that showed it was impossible, and always will be impossible, to ever “flatten the curve” in a timeline of weeks:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Jm0O4FAAHk7WfglUHriN3VuzIjrrcg3wY96ZtEK5XcLl5aPTesMbXZR4

Doubt you’ll read so I’ll summarize. Page 8 shows that best case with case isolation and social distancing, Britain would still exceed their surge ICU capacity by nearly 10 times. Page 10 shows that social distancing efforts would only last so long before things blow up in… Dec 2020.

”Flattening the Curve” was never pushed by science. You’re being propagandized.

Not to mention "flattening the curve" as a course of action never meant "two weeks and Covid will disappear".  It was designed to spread the inevitable infections out in time so as not to overwhelm the health care system.  Which I would say was moderately successful.

[ecugringo]

16 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Not to mention "flattening the curve" as a course of action never meant "two weeks and Covid will disappear".  It was designed to spread the inevitable infections out in time so as not to overwhelm the health care system.  Which I would say was moderately successful.

From what I recall the volume of cases was always to be the same, just hte timing spread out over time.  Either way, most sold the notion that 2 weeks to flatten the curve and Covid will start to wane.

 

Here we are 18 months later and we are in the 3rd wave.  The last 2 were higher than the 1st.  Unfortunately what nobody will really admit is that Covid is not going away and we are to deal with it.  It would be good to also broadcast that personnel health is your own responsibility and instead of hiding out eating cheetos, the US should focus on losing weight and being a healthier society.

 

My 4 yr old loves Wall-E, its on every other day.  Its sad that it is becoming our reality.

[FlyingWolf]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

”Flattening the Curve” was never pushed by science. You’re being propagandized.

Being pedantic here... I agree. Science doesn't push anything really, people do. Science is a method and a body of evidence.  A lot of people sure did claim the moniker of "science" in their political BS though.

 

I actually really appreciate the study and wish I had seen it sooner in all this.  I think the mitigation/suppression framing should have been part of the discussion all along, with empirically based analysis informing our inherently values-based public policy... out in the open... with leaders being particular about the science and the values informing their decisions... the humility to admit the huge data quality limitations... and the courage to defend values outside of simplistic "if it saves one life" first-order-effect focused demagoguery.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by FlyingWolf

[Negatory]

57 minutes ago, FlyingWolf said:

I think the mitigation/suppression framing should have been part of the discussion all along, with empirically based analysis informing our inherently values-based public policy... out in the open... with leaders being particular about the science and the values informing their decisions... the humility to admit the huge data quality limitations... and the courage to defend values outside of simplistic "if it saves one life" first-order-effect focused demagoguery.

Spot on.

[glockenspiel]

What about an explanation of that VAERS data? An explanatory document written by the FDA of the data reported AE to date? I would gladly share this with people who are on the fence but to date the only response I’ve got/articles I’ve just say correlation≠ causation. End of story. No deeper dive…? 

Also what about that natural immunity tho? Still on the search for evidence of benefit of vaccinating previously infected people. 

also why is the PCR test EUA being revoked in December? (Please no news articles.) How reliable are the PCR tests compared to Sanger DNA sequencing? 

Feels like the fence people are sitting on is legitimate no?

[pawnman]

35 minutes ago, glockenspiel said:

What about an explanation of that VAERS data? An explanatory document written by the FDA of the data reported AE to date? I would gladly share this with people who are on the fence but to date the only response I’ve got/articles I’ve just say correlation≠ causation. End of story. No deeper dive…? 

Also what about that natural immunity tho? Still on the search for evidence of benefit of vaccinating previously infected people. 

also why is the PCR test EUA being revoked in December? (Please no news articles.) How reliable are the PCR tests compared to Sanger DNA sequencing? 

Feels like the fence people are sitting on is legitimate no?

Can't help with the VAERS data, other than that it's self-reported, which leads to some wild inconsistencies in the raw data.  CDC doesn't use it alone as a decision making tool...it's a canary in a coal mine to show when something may need further study.

As for natural immunity - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
 

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Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.