COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[glockenspiel]

On 8/25/2021 at 6:26 AM, pawnman said:

When it gets anywhere near the number of Covid deaths.  For a group that keeps touting a 99% survival rate for the illness, y'all seem awfully skittish about a 99.999% survival rate for the vaccine.

So until the solution is as bad as the problem, only then will you be open to looking into possible risks of the solution? How is that reasonable? People should know all the risks of CV19 and all the risks of the potential solution. I’m not suggesting taking VAERS completely at face value. To draw an analogy, sexual assault is largely self reported. Are victims always telling the truth? some guys at Duke would beg to differ. But every self reported sexual assault case should be given due diligence. Bottom line, VAERS data needs to be given due diligence and to my knowledge it hasn’t.
 

I could be wrong though… (Pawnman isn’t that tough to say?)

 

 

 

[pawnman]

Just now, glockenspiel said:

So until the solution is as bad as the problem, only then will you be open to looking into possible risks of the solution? How is that reasonable? People should know all the risks of CV19 and all the risks of the potential solution. I’m not suggesting taking VAERS completely at face value. To draw an analogy, sexual assault is largely self reported. Are victims always telling the truth? some guys at Duke would beg to differ. But every self reported sexual assault case should be given due diligence. Bottom line, VAERS data needs to be given due diligence and to my knowledge it hasn’t.
 

I could be wrong though… (Pawnman isn’t that tough to say?)

 

 

 

I'm curious why you think VAERS data isn't being taken seriously.

Did you comb through the VAERS data on the flu shot before taking it every year you've been in the military?  Did you look up the VAERS data for MMR, polio, or diptheria vaccines before taking them?  

I know that I'm not an epidemiologist or microbiologist.  So...I'm gonna go with the experts on this one.  

[BashiChuni]

Were MMR or Polio man made in a lab? 
 

were those respective vacs forced on people under EUA?

 

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

Were MMR or Polio man made in a lab? 
 

were those respective vacs forced on people under EUA?

 

1. What does the origin of the disease have to do with VAERS data for the vaccine?

2. The Pfizer shot is no longer under and EUA and no one was forced to get it while it was. It's fully FDA approved, so now it can be mandated. Just like all those other vaccines.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

1. What does the origin of the disease have to do with VAERS data for the vaccine?

2. The Pfizer shot is no longer under and EUA and no one was forced to get it while it was. It's fully FDA approved, so now it can be mandated. Just like all those other vaccines.

Anyone know if now that Phizer is mandated that obligates DoD to liability should something happen? I believe it does but I can't find where I've read that before. 

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

Anyone know if now that Phizer is mandated that obligates DoD to liability should something happen? I believe it does but I can't find where I've read that before. 

Probably the same liability for the peanut butter shot and the annual flu shot...slim to none.

Have to apply to these folks.  https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/about/index.html

[Negatory]

On 8/28/2021 at 3:03 PM, HeloDude said:

I never mentioned Fauci, did I?  I’m sure there are “medical professionals” that don’t include him, are there not?  But here you go—too easy!   Enjoy!

Its not playing dirty to point out that the medical and scientific leadership in America’s health systems - who Fauci represents - actually have been relatively resolute, steadfast, and adaptive to new scientific information in their policies and approaches.

Also, @HeloDudetry again, those journalistic articles are no representation of scientific consensus. Just because you can find news articles about “medical professionals” who think HQC and Ivermectin are effective doesn’t mean that’s a consensus among science.

By your logic, this persons opinion matters as much as the CDC and Fauci:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773.amp

Also, last point, but the articles that you posted literally never said that anyone didn’t think that protests were bad when it comes to COVID. They all acknowledged that the groups would increase everyone’s risk. They just personally thought that racial justice was worth the cost:

”Risking coronavirus pales in comparison to all the other ways we can die,” says Dr. Dorothy Charles, a family medicine resident at the University of Illinois College of Medicine and an organizer at the racial-justice group White Coats for Black Lives. “Addressing the root causes [of racial inequality] is more imperative at this point than staying at home.””

Edited August 30, 2021 by Negatory

[Negatory]

On 8/27/2021 at 7:06 PM, Negatory said:

Yes, I have already accepted that you think that webmd, Reuters, Forbes, and the NHS are all part of the deep state conspiracy to hide the fact that mRNA vaccines are IN FACT secret government gene therapy.

@dogfish78 welcome back! See my previous post that you couldn’t figure out a response for and probably start your argument there (you responded to every other thread on this website, though, it seems).

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

They just personally thought that racial justice was worth the cost.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

Also, last point, but the articles that you posted literally never said that anyone didn’t think that protests were bad when it comes to COVID. They all acknowledged that the groups would increase everyone’s risk. They just personally thought that racial justice was worth the cost:

So you agree they allowed politics to motivate their health policy to censor some groups and promote others. Fantastic! 

[Negatory]

14 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Words matter, you’re gonna need to see this one again. Actually, you’re probably just gonna need to take some time out of the upgrade to reassess performance.

You said, very specifically, medical professionals would change their medical opinions.

They never changed their medical opinion that large groups were bad for COVID transmission.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Negatory

[HeloDude]

7 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Words matter, you’re gonna need to see this one again. Actually, you’re probably just gonna need to take some time out of the upgrade to reassess performance.

You said, very specifically, medical professionals would change their medical opinions.

They never changed their medical opinion that large groups were bad for COVID transmission.

You’re struggling here.  You agreed that the “medical professionals” changed their medical opinions on covid risk because of their own personal opinions on whether a cause was worth the risk or not.  Sorry, but that’s not sound medicine as ”medical professionals” have zero say on whether or not a cause is worthy of protests.  

[Prozac]

7 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

You’re struggling here.  You agreed that the “medical professionals” changed their medical opinions on covid risk because of their own personal opinions on whether a cause was worth the risk or not.  Sorry, but that’s not sound medicine as ”medical professionals” have zero say on whether or not a cause is worthy of protests.  

Again, "medical professionals" spans a wide range of individual experience, political viewpoints, religious viewpoints, etc.  I don't think it's exactly news that there were some medical professionals that held the controversial viewpoint that protests of any kind were worth the COVID risk.  I'm sure there were doctors and nurses that also believed anti-lockdown protests were well worth the risks.  That's not the same thing as the CDC, NIH, or Surgeon General making an official statement on the matter.  You seem to like to take the fight into the weeds when the real argument is at 30K feet.  

[HeloDude]

Just now, Prozac said:

Again, "medical professionals" spans a wide range of individual experience, political viewpoints, religious viewpoints, etc.  I don't think it's exactly news that there were some medical professionals that held the controversial viewpoint that protests of any kind were worth the COVID risk.  I'm sure there were doctors and nurses that also believed anti-lockdown protests were well worth the risks.  That's not the same thing as the CDC, NIH, or Surgeon General making an official statement on the matter.  You seem to like to take the fight into the weeds when the real argument is at 30K feet.  

I literally posted sources from not what I would call “far right” sources.  Unless you now think the Times and Washington Post is junk?

[Prozac]

21 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

I literally posted sources from not what I would call “far right” sources.  Unless you now think the Times and Washington Post is junk?

Not arguing your sources are wrong, just that they don’t support the argument you are trying to make. Go back and read what I wrote. Dr. Bagadonuts professing his personal opinion to CNN does not equal the overall consensus of the medical establishment. 

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Not arguing your sources are wrong, just that they don’t support the argument you are trying to make. Go back and read what I wrote. Dr. Bagadonuts professing his personal opinion to CNN does not equal the overall consensus of the medical establishment. 

Ok man, whatever you say lol…

“This letter is signed by 1,288 public health professionals, infectious diseases professionals, and community stakeholders.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Negatory said:

@dogfish78 welcome back! See my previous post that you couldn’t figure out a response for and probably start your argument there (you responded to every other thread on this website, though, it seems).

This forum sucks balls for keeping a thread’s information easily accessible to read and remember what to respond to. It only allows what, probably 15 posts before it makes a new page? Don’t flatter yourself.

Just (((who))) do you think owns the media? Why should we trust them when they have been lying for years? They’re mainstream CORPORATE owned media with an agenda, and *newsflash*, it’s not to the benefit of us! You want us to obey the top 10 Google™️ algorithm provided and censored search results of corporate owned media? Nah I’ll pass. It’s better to not listen to people with a profit agenda at best and a sinister agenda at worst.

Not wanting to be your enemy. But for example, Reuters news has a Pfizer executive sitting on their board. Yet *mysteriously* Reuters doesn’t write bad about the Pfizer injection. It’s this pattern recognition that has allowed humans to survive and to toss it away is anti-God. We have intuition for a reason. You don’t even need intuition for this anymore. Look at the billion$ in criminal fines these pharmaceutical corporations have gotten in years past. They do not want us healthy. It’s more profitable to have us sick.

[Scooter14]

[pawnman]

Delta is going to charge employees $200/month extra for insurance if they're unvaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/25/1030949428/delta-covid-unvaccinated-employees-monthly-charge-200-dollars

Edited August 31, 2021 by pawnman

[brabus]

Cool, they should also charge an extra $200 for anyone with a BMI > 25, to keep it equitable. And if they were truly genuine, they should probably charge $400 for BMI > 30, which probably accounts for 50% of their workforce

Edited August 31, 2021 by brabus

[Swizzle]

59 minutes ago, brabus said:

Cool, they should also charge an extra $200 for anyone with a BMI > 25, to keep it equitable. And if they were truly genuine, they should probably charge $400 for BMI > 30, which probably accounts for 50% of their workforce

...like those COVID19 pre-existing conditions or other-health-factors worsening COVID19's impact...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

...discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen, who will be the primary plaintiff? Any wagers on if a class action will be filed? A hearty 'you-were-right' 😒 is brewing 😏

[Guest LumberjackAxe]

On 8/31/2021 at 8:36 AM, dogfish78 said:

But for example, Reuters news has a Pfizer executive sitting on their board. Yet *mysteriously* Reuters doesn’t write bad about the Pfizer injection.

This took one minute to find on reuters.com:

New Zealand reports first death linked to Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/)

 

Moderna may be superior to Pfizer against Delta; breakthrough odds rise with time (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/)

 

The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero (https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/)

 

Israel examining heart inflammation cases in people who received Pfizer COVID shot (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-examining-heart-inflammation-cases-people-who-received-pfizer-covid-shot-2021-04-25/)

 

I think you may need to chill, bro.

[busdriver]

Please stop quoting the window licking moron.  It defeats me blocking him.

[DirkDiggler]

1 hour ago, busdriver said:

Please stop quoting the window licking moron.  It defeats me blocking him.

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[Danger41]

Got the email from my boss a scant 24 hours after that pesky Afghanistan thing closed up that it’s now time to get the vaccine or get paperwork. Ah, morale. Good stuff.