COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[gearhog]

8 minutes ago, jazzdude said:

Would you make this argument if said student got RPAs, completed the syllabus, then DOR'd right before graduation?

This case might be different. If someone DOR'd before graduation, they've effectively ended it.

I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2.

If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged.

[TheNewGazmo]

1 minute ago, torqued said:

This case might be different. If someone DOR'd before graduation, they've effectively ended it.

I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2.

If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged.

You know the easy way out to a lot of people's hesitation to the new mRNA-type vaccines would be to just get the J&J jab and be done with it.  It's an adenovirus vaccine.  The technology has been around and been used since the 1970's in many other vaccinations.  Get the J&J, get it in your military medical records as having a COVID shot and be done with it.

[gearhog]

Just now, TheNewGazmo said:

You know the easy way out to a lot of people's hesitation to the new mRNA-type vaccines would be to just get the J&J jab and be done with it.  It's an adenovirus vaccine.  The technology has been around and been used since the 1970's in many other vaccinations.  Get the J&J, get it in your military medical records as having a COVID shot and be done with it.

That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement?

[TheNewGazmo]

10 minutes ago, torqued said:

That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement?

It was 6-8 months ago for us in the Guard.  They told everyone that if they got a COVID vaccine off base at a local pharmacy to make sure it got into our records.  I do know that Walgreens' system talks to ASIMS. Is the DoD mandating the Pfizer shot even for people who've already gotten the J&J?  I know quite a few people in my unit who opted for the J&J last Spring.

My only concern is that when I got the Pfizer through Walgreens, ASIMS flagged me due for a second one.  It just comes up as "COVID-19" so ASIMS may in fact not be smart enough to recognize the difference between the one-shot or the two.

Edited September 16, 2021 by TheNewGazmo

[DirkDiggler]

8 minutes ago, torqued said:

That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement?

Any of the vaccines meet the mandate requirement; DoD can only force you to take Pfizer since that’s the only FDA approved one.  Got two guys in my class that got the J&J off base and they’re green as far the military is concerned.

[ViperMan]

No way they'll give him wings! Are you high? It doesn't matter that he'll have completed all the pilot training "requirements." He'll not be an officer in good standing, and that's a major, perhaps more fundamental component.

[ViperMan]

On 9/14/2021 at 5:29 PM, pawnman said:

Chang was annoying, but at least he was coherent. 

Annoying, yes. Consistent, sure. Coherent, nope.

[gearhog]

10 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

No way they'll give him wings! Are you high? It doesn't matter that he'll have completed all the pilot training "requirements." He'll not be an officer in good standing, and that's a major, perhaps more fundamental component.

 

2 hours ago, torqued said:

I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2.

If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged.

 

[bfargin]

I did the J&J and that son of a gun hurt like all get out going in. I've had tons of shots, but that was by far the most painful jab so far (not knee buckling pain but def uncomfortable).

[TheNewGazmo]

I did the J&J and that son of a gun hurt like all get out going in. I've had tons of shots, but that was by far the most painful jab so far (not knee buckling pain but def uncomfortable).

Interesting. Maybe they hit the bone... didn't even feel my Pfizer. Actually had to look over and see that the dude was done. Then a week later it felt like someone was sticking an ice pick into my arm pit.

[bfargin]

Yeah I had a couple of friends do JJ and same reaction, but the few people I know who did others said the actual shot didn't really hurt. So I'm not sure what was in the formula for JJ.

[Standby]

I’ve received lots of anthrax shots and most people will say they make your arm the most sore of all the usual mobility shots. The J&J was like a factor of 3-5 more “painful”. I got mine before any of the mandates were published and it’s caught up with IMR and I’m green. Side effects I experienced: splitting headache and general malaise for a day. Sore arm persisted for 3 days. Other possible side effects: I never lose 5G service, women (and men) are suddenly more interested in me, and I’ve discovered hidden treasures buried deep in the ocean. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Standby
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[gearhog]

There is a faint glimmer of hope. An FDA advisory panel voted 16-2 against a Pfizer booster for ages 16+ after a meeting with Niki Minaj.

Will the FDA, CDC, and Biden admin ignore it? Probably, but it at least indicates there is some healthy skepticism and courage among scientists doing "science". Hopefully it spreads.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-advisory-group-rejects-covid-boosters-limits-high-risk-groups-rcna2074

[FUSEPLUG]

1 hour ago, torqued said:

There is a faint glimmer of hope. An FDA advisory panel voted 16-2 against a Pfizer booster for ages 16+ after a meeting with Niki Minaj.

Chalk one up for the good guys!

I post the following with a NSFW tag.  Though, I have a feeling the ACTUAL lyrics were probably far more offensive.

You've been warned...  

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by FUSEPLUG

[Sim]

 

[gearhog]

3 hours ago, Sim said:

 

Whoa. I watched started watching after the timestamp you linked to. It should be mandatory watching for everyone. Even the pro-vaccine doctors are skeptical, and some seem angry about what they're discovering about the vaccine. I wish I had a transcript. The truth is finally finding a way out.

[FLEA]

10 minutes ago, torqued said:

Whoa. I watched started watching after the timestamp you linked to. It should be mandatory watching for everyone. Even the pro-vaccine doctors are skeptical, and some seem angry about what they're discovering about the vaccine. I wish I had a transcript. The truth is finally finding a way out.

Yeah everything from the time stamp to about the next 30 minutes is pretty eye opening. 

[Guardian]

My time stamp function failed. Say what time to what time pls.

[FLEA]

4:12:49 onward. I really thought the presentation about 2-3 later where a pro vaccine doctor discussed the data of sample groups not being strong enough to overcome vaccine hesitancy was really good and right in line with my concerns. 

[Scooter14]

 

Thank you for posting, I’m working my way through it.

There’s a lot to unpack here.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Sim said:

 

Now that the truth is leaking out, do not for one moment, ANY of you on this forum, forget what all of us skeptics have been saying this entire time. Do not forget everything you were told such as it being 100% safe, the "science is settled", listen to the "experts", and on and on. You're all capable of intelligence, however don't be incapable of having a memory. Never forget how much you've been lied to and what people did the lying.

[TheNewGazmo]

Some talk about mask wear....

 

 

[Splash95]

The mods apparently locked the other thread, and since the wu flu doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon I think we should still have the ability to discuss it and its impact within and outside the AF. 

Anyone follow Alex Berenson btw? https://alexberenson.substack.com/

[glockenspiel]

9 minutes ago, Splash95 said:

The mods apparently locked the other thread, and since the wu flu doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon I think we should still have the ability to discuss it and its impact within and outside the AF. 

Anyone follow Alex Berenson btw? https://alexberenson.substack.com/

I agree, but it was getting out of hand. Ad hominem on both sides of the argument. Not productive. Hopefully we can stick to more civil, idea (not person) based criticism and dialogue. BO is a great resource to hear differing opinions!

Here what seems to be an earnest attempt to ask important question for leaders in the marine corps.

Very professional, civil, and advocate for good order and discipline. These are legitimate questions. Hope they get answered before a large exodus from our military.

[Negatory]

3 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

Very professional, civil, and advocate for good order and discipline. These are legitimate questions. Hope they get answered before a large exodus from our military.

I don’t know why, but this thread being locked and then reopened with this crap has really hit a nerve. I’m tired of these “points” that aren’t points. Are we ever going to acknowledge facts and actually debate policies based on reason opposed to emotion? Are we going to talk about things like reasonable age based policies or rotating geographic protections? Are we ever going to actually acknowledge that the real risk is somewhere in the middle of “0.00007%” and “everyone is at significant risk?” Are we going to talk about risk based policies that actually take into account things like BMI, race, or health status to more effectively deal with this pandemic? Are we going to discuss policies to actually temporarily deal with the increased real hospital risk over time in a population if we do have a large infection? Are we going to discuss the high chance that Omicron actually will max out hospitals again even with vaccines based on its extremely high infection rate and ability to evade previous immunity? About how it’s almost a mathematical certainty we will approach 1.0M cases per day in the next week?

Or are we going to keep posting politicized, debunked talking points on both the liberal and conservative sides and then argue about how they’re wrong when we’ve had these discussions 10 times already? Whether that’s folks on the left not acknowledging the significantly diminished effects of the vaccine on transmission/infection or folks on the right posting bs talking points like you just did - it’s all fuckin stupid. But, just as you would say “Orange man bad” to condense an actually intricate thought into a BS political viewpoint, I guess I could just summarize your post as “Brandon XD lol”.

I’m reminded of a good ole saying that generally holds true - definitely in these debates: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it.” But let’s look at his “points.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law

1) 0 religious exceptions have been passed - so what? This is a question literally just to generate outrage, but not logically. We’ve addressed hypocrisy here in other threads, and I don’t think it was successfully refuted, but I guess if you keep saying that religious exemptions should be approved then by golly I guess they should be.

2) Him asking why the FDA didn’t explicitly recommend the vaccine is irrelevant when the CDC explicitly does recommend it. Oh, why didn’t he mention that? Intentionally misleading to split hairs between gov organizations to make it seem like the government doesn’t have a stance

3) The vaccine has been highly politicized, resulting in orders of magnitude higher reporting than for previous vaccines. This is literally just how politics appears in statistics - its comparing tomatoes to apples. I agree that there are potentially mildly increased risks of myocarditis for young males - but that’s not his point. He is saying that there are blanket increased rates of adverse events - which isn’t true, it’s just total numbers.

4) Bullshit trying to mislead people about Comirnaty generic vs brand when they are chemically identical and the government treats them legally the exact same. But he didn’t want to mention that? This is maybe the dumbest argument that armchair lawyers love to cite.

5) Only looking at deaths is intentionally misleading when we’ve seen that COVID can make things like carrier or submarine readiness questionable based purely on sickness, outbreaks, or long term effects. You had COVID? It takes you out for a few days. Oh and don’t forget that 10-30% of folks that had COVID have long term effects on their neuromuscular, digestive, respiratory, or cardiovascular systems. But we can ignore that. We can ignore everything but deaths, right? By the way, you’re also required to be vaccinated against rubella and the flu, which are significantly less bad from every aspect, yet where are the complaints? Also, quick question, how many marines have died from Rubella?

And I’m done here. It has taken me 10 times the energy to halfway refute this dumb video that has “legitimate questions.” Every singe one was intentionally misleading, largely fallacious, and irrelevant. I honestly look forward to this guy and similarly misguided folks like him that spout BS on social media in uniform getting their well-deserved discharges as they intentionally disrupt good order and discipline.

To end this rant on an even more sarcastic note, make sure to listen to Donald Trump’s recent direction to go get your booster.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Negatory