Guardian Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 I bet there are those on this board that think yes, it was worth it and good riddance. The same people that applauds the degradation of the military in the name of inclusiveness, diversity,and equity. And it started at the top. Thanks fingers Goldfien!Science and diversity only matter as a verbal defense for stupid decisions not actually supported by true science or diversification. Enter Pawn or Prozac reply to why it is important to weaken our military and country in the name of Covid defense even after the great and powerful Fauci flip flops on society closure and requirements for those who get covid. Which is ok now because he has no defense for why those who do “everything right” per his instructions are still getting covid. His only defense is to pretend it’s new information and that people haven’t been saying don’t shut down society or make mandates for almost 2 years now. 1 1 10 1
Negatory Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 12/28/2021 at 7:49 PM, Negatory said: We just got to 2X on confirmed cases. Probably 1.0M a day if you include unreported literally now. I’m not kidding you! https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-tally-us-counts-more-than-500000-new-covid-cases-in-a-day-lifting-the-daily-average-to-a-near-1-year-high-2021-12-28 Expand https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/us-global-record-more-than-1m-daily-covid-cases @ViperMan et al? Looks like your feelings based argument that we would never go a multiple above 250k isn’t panning out. Just like COVID going away on its own, ending when it heats up, disappearing, etc… 1
TheNewGazmo Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 3:38 PM, Negatory said: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/us-global-record-more-than-1m-daily-covid-cases [mention=71394]ViperMan[/mention] et al? Looks like your feelings based argument that we would never go a multiple above 250k isn’t panning out. Just like COVID going away on its own, ending when it heats up, disappearing, etc…Deaths look like they are hovering at about half to maybe alightly less than half of what they were during last winter's Delta surge. Do we have data that shows the majority of current deaths are the unvaccinated?
pawnman Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 4:59 PM, TheNewGazmo said: On 1/4/2022 at 3:38 PM, Negatory said: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/us-global-record-more-than-1m-daily-covid-cases [mention=71394]ViperMan[/mention] et al? Looks like your feelings based argument that we would never go a multiple above 250k isn’t panning out. Just like COVID going away on its own, ending when it heats up, disappearing, etc… Expand Deaths look like they are hovering at about half to maybe alightly less than half of what they were during last winter's Delta surge. Do we have data that shows the majority of current deaths are the unvaccinated? Expand We do, in fact, have that data. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status 1
glockenspiel Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) On 1/4/2022 at 3:38 PM, Negatory said: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/us-global-record-more-than-1m-daily-covid-cases @ViperMan et al? Looks like your feelings based argument that we would never go a multiple above 250k isn’t panning out. Just like COVID going away on its own, ending when it heats up, disappearing, etc… Expand Is there a good source to find total tests administered across time? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there has recently been a large sudden increase in tests done per day… Edited January 4, 2022 by glockenspiel Q added
Negatory Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 6:01 PM, glockenspiel said: Is there a good source to find total tests administered across time? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there has recently been a large sudden increase in tests done per day… Expand Doesn't appear that is the case. Although the positivity rate has increased by an order of magnitude. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states 1
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 1:30 PM, Guardian said: Enter Pawn or Prozac reply to why it is important to weaken our military and country in the name of Covid defense Expand A few things here: Allowing military members to defy direct orders based on their religious beliefs will undoubtedly weaken, not strengthen our military. Another thing that will weaken, not strengthen our position in the world would be not being able to deploy forces at a moment’s notice due to host nation requirements. Yet another thing that weakens, not strengthens our military is having entire ships or combat units taken out of action due to mass illness. Suggest you check the mirror as it is you, not I who is supporting policies that will weaken our military. 1 2 7
bennynova Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) We are quickly headed towards a military that allows zero thinking. We are only allowed to be lemmings and blindly follow our “leaders”, no matter how flawed they are. Edited January 5, 2022 by bennynova 3
tac airlifter Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 4:03 AM, Prozac said: Yet another thing that weakens, not strengthens our military is having entire ships or combat units taken out of action due to mass illness. Expand How do you justify mandatory vaccination as the solution to this problem when ships that are 100% vaccinated are being taken out by mass illness? 6 2
Standby Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 9:52 AM, tac airlifter said: How do you justify mandatory vaccination as the solution to this problem when ships that are 100% vaccinated are being taken out by mass illness? Expand It’s probably because they weren’t actually fully vaccinated. The majority of the ship only had 3 shots…you need at least 6-9 for full protection and to guarantee zero transmission. 6 5
brabus Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 4:13 AM, bennynova said: We are quickly headed towards a military that allows zero thinking. We are only allowed to be lemmings and blindly follow our “leaders”, no matter how flawed they are. Expand And that’s one of the ways throughout history militaries have been used to conduct atrocious actions against a group of humans. If someone advocates for black and white no questions/shut up and do as they’re told, they are part of the problem. Never have seen somebody with that mentality in the military do well at anything. 2 3
BashiChuni Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 Like the cloth masks thing. Everyone knows they don’t work. Hell even the CNN hardcore COVID worshipers have come out and admitted they’re theatre. 1
M2 Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 4:13 AM, bennynova said: We are quickly headed towards a military that allows zero thinking. We are only allowed to be lemmings and blindly follow our “leaders”, no matter how flawed they are. Expand "Headed?!?" And no, that's not a 'STS' question, nor is it a grammatical one. I am surprised at your claim we are "becoming" a military that allows zero thinking. Many will argue we reached that point years ago! 2 1
TheNewGazmo Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 This was posted here weeks ago, but I am assuming the vax fanatics haven't bothered to click the link and spend 3+ hrs of their lives listening to this. Took a while to get through, but it is very enlightening. This link should not be lost.https://podtail.com/podcast/th...nce/-1757-dr-robert-malone-md/
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 9:52 AM, tac airlifter said: How do you justify mandatory vaccination as the solution to this problem when ships that are 100% vaccinated are being taken out by mass illness? Expand One tool in the tool box. Do you honestly expect military leaders to sit back and do NOTHING to attempt to combat a virus that severely threatens readiness? Tell me, what steps would you take if you were a member of the Joint Chiefs, a combatant commander, or even a WG/CC? 1 1
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 1:58 PM, brabus said: And that’s one of the ways throughout history militaries have been used to conduct atrocious actions against a group of humans. If someone advocates for black and white no questions/shut up and do as they’re told, they are part of the problem. Never have seen somebody with that mentality in the military do well at anything. Expand Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are. 1 1 1
glockenspiel Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 6:51 PM, Prozac said: Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are. Expand When did SMs take an MRNA vax before? Also the do it for country attitude is IMO an appeal to emotion— ya know pandering to the insecure— ‘real men would roll up their sleeve’. there are no mental black flips required to see that storming a beach is directly related to the mission of the armed forces. It’s honorable, brave, and those men had big brass ones. where you loose people is when you say taking a vaccine is roughly equivalent to storming beaches. Bottom line is the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission so how is this a selfless act anymore? How is this the honorable thing to do on behalf of the mission?— Especially, if you’ve had the rona (pre omicron) and now that the omicron is out it appears to be similar to the seasonal cold. Good news and Hope that remains true with more omicron data coming out. On 1/5/2022 at 6:41 PM, Prozac said: Tell me, what steps would you take if you were a member of the Joint Chiefs, a combatant commander, or even a WG/CC? Expand 1.) promote physical activity, and non-pharma low risk preventative measures 2.) get after early treatment 3.) acknowledge natural immunity 4.) avoid having policy that you yourself don’t even follow (I.e. everyone mask, just not me) 5.) tell people not to come to work if they are sick 6.) acknowledge that the military is at extremely low risk 7.) avoid false promises armchair session over. Easier said than done. 5
VMFA187 Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 6:51 PM, Prozac said: Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are. Expand That's a capital "M" to you. 😆 1 1
Guardian Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 4:03 AM, Prozac said: A few things here: Allowing military members to defy direct orders based on their religious beliefs will undoubtedly weaken, not strengthen our military. Another thing that will weaken, not strengthen our position in the world would be not being able to deploy forces at a moment’s notice due to host nation requirements. Yet another thing that weakens, not strengthens our military is having entire ships or combat units taken out of action due to mass illness. Suggest you check the mirror as it is you, not I who is supporting policies that will weaken our military. Agree to completely disagree. And your points don’t hold water. Like the answer to the pilot crisis. Add more water to the bucket with holes. Don’t fix the holes. We can always deploy forces and choose to dis regard or come to a different agreement with host nations. It’s them we are going there to support. And not doing things like that is a sign of weakness that democrats routinely do. The military is full of exemptions and waivers. If we didn’t have any we couldn’t function period. Your argument doesn’t hold water. 1 1
HeloDude Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 7:05 PM, Prozac said: I do not support such severe measures as hard lockdowns, school closures, severely limiting seating in restaurants, forced small business closures, or shuttering public transportation to name a few. Fortunately we haven’t seen those kinds of measures in the United States for some time now. Expand Looks like you spoke too soon… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-01-04/chicago-plan-to-cancel-class-if-union-votes-for-remote%3fcontext=amp
brickhistory Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 6:51 PM, Prozac said: Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are. Expand A) So all of the roughly 10,000 uniformed personnel across DoD that are not getting this non-preventative vaccine are "whiny, entitled bitches?" Not to mention the civilians who bailed rather than submit? Me included, but that didn't take much for me to retire and cash the check. Of course, having had Covid doesn't carry weight for immunity for DoD, only the non-preventative vaccine. Nice B) DoD is losing approximately 10,000 uniformed personnel who are among the 1% or so of the population that is willing to serve. How many of those would recommend a military career? Sure seems an own goal, but if it gets rid of the "entitled," then so be it. C) If any military order produces 10,000 casualties, and for accounting purposes, these 10,000 are, for no mission results, is that really effective and efficient leadership? Interesting how you went the full Hitler when no one else did. Never go full Hitler... 1
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 7:48 PM, VMFA187 said: That's a capital "M" to you. 😆 Expand Apologies. First round’s on me. 🍺😎
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 8:50 PM, HeloDude said: Looks like you spoke too soon… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-01-04/chicago-plan-to-cancel-class-if-union-votes-for-remote%3fcontext=amp Expand Agreed. Closing schools has been, and will continue to be just about the worst possible Covid mitigation policy for so many reasons. 2
Prozac Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 9:09 PM, brickhistory said: Interesting how you went the full Hitler when no one else did. Never go full Hitler... Expand Reading comprehension much? My point was clearly that comparisons to Nazi Germany take the argument full retard.
brickhistory Posted January 5, 2022 Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 9:20 PM, Prozac said: Reading comprehension much? My point was clearly that comparisons to Nazi Germany take the argument full retard. Expand That's the part of post you concentrated on? I begin to understand today's military...
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