COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[M2]

ADMIN NOTE:  I am getting tired of removing offending posts in this thread.  If your post is missing, it either violated the rules or quoted a post that did (sorry about that!).  A few more spirited individuals will also find their posting abilities restricted for blatant violations, which everyone was warned about.  A couple also got friendly warnings to KIO as they were pushing it.  The next step is outright bans, I hope it doesn't get to that but if the personal attacks don't stop, we won't have any choice.

[BashiChuni]

9 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Masks are WAY less effective than 40%

 

Even mask zealots are admitting their failure.

[disgruntledemployee]

15 hours ago, Pooter said:

words..

 

"If everyone got the VAX and wore their masks Covid 19 would cease to exist.

Change my mind."

Alternatively, reference the 28 weeks later flamethrower post from @disgruntledemployee

The mask alarmism in this thread is very real and very dramatic.

I used humor to suggest that masks and vaxs won't eradicate covid.  And mask policies are like reflective belt rules.  Wearing one is not a force field.  Tell you what.  You do you.

 

[VMFA187]

CEO Bourla says Pfizer vaccines offer limited protection 'if any' and even less against infection (opindia.com)

Pfizer CEO once said their shots were "100% effective." Now he just said that two shots "offer very limited, if any protection against Covid-19."

This is what happens when a vaccine isn't properly vetted. 

"Trust the science."

Laughable. 

[FUSEPLUG]

...but don't forget to get your booster!

[VMFA187]

I'm curious if 1) The media will try to hide/censure that interview (it's already been removed from a few places), and 2) If vaccine proponents will continue to blindly follow whatever big pharma and the media propose for "protection" or if that single admission of failure is enough to have some of them start questioning their blind allegiance.

I'm fearful it might not be enough because espousing their vaccine status and masking has become an identity for so many...

[Boomer6]

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

CEO Bourla says Pfizer vaccines offer limited protection 'if any' and even less against infection (opindia.com)

Pfizer CEO once said their shots were "100% effective." Now he just said that two shots "offer very limited, if any protection against Covid-19."

This is what happens when a vaccine isn't properly vetted. 

"Trust the science."

Laughable. 

The interview is a little hard to follow based on Bourla’s accent, so I pulled up the transcript. I can’t find the “very limited protection” quote you posted. He remarks that the current three dose vaccine provides “reasonable” protection against “severe disease” and “hospitalization” specifically against the Omicron variant. The transcript is posted below. Is there something missing from the transcript where he says the quote you’re referring to?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/10/first-on-cnbc-cnbc-transcript-pfizer-chairman-and-ceo-albert-bourla-speaks-with-cnbcs-squawk-box-today.html

[HeloDude]

“Two-doses of Pfizer’s or Moderna’s vaccines are only about 10% effective at preventing infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose, according to the U.K. data.”

So when does the DoD mandate that members get the booster?  And then the 4th booster?  I mean, if they’re all about protecting the force, then not mandating it now means they want us less protected than we could be?

[nsplayr]

The facts on the ground change and the enemy (ie the virus) gets a vote.

Omicron is significantly mutated compared to the original virus…are y’all’s TTPs just as effective against a maneuvering, innovating enemy on day 69 of the war compared to a beat-up static target that’s been sitting in the same spot on the range since the Cold War?

”Follow the science” and just common fu*king sense means there are almost never one-shot silver bullet solutions to thorny problems. You have to maintain some acceptable level of defensive effort, keeping in mind negative trade-offs, especially against nature or nature will get ya. Have you ever tried to keep squirrels from eating all the god damned birdseed out of the bird feeders? (Ask me how I know)

Death eventually has a Pk of 1, I just hope she finds me old and happy and ready to see what, if anything, the next journey entails.

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So when does the DoD mandate that members get the booster?  And then the 4th booster?

Probably sooner rather than later on first boosters if I had to guess. I’ve seen private employers mandate it already (large university hospital in my area). And of course you’re already free to go out and get a booster to re-up protection if you’d like to, which personally I did, having been originally vaccinated very early in 2021.

I mean we get mandated flu shots every year, this will be the same, ideally rolled up into one combined vaccine for flu and COVID so there’s less beans someone needs to count.

IMHO that’s the best case scenario and we’ve known that for a while; you likely can’t eradicate a virus this transmissible, but you can (hopefully) get it down to manageable endemic levels where it’s a known risk but not a world-shaking event.

Anyone who thought the outcome would be otherwise or predicted something much rosier than that was either overly optimistic, misled or misleading.

Edited January 12, 2022 by nsplayr

[HeloDude]

Just now, nsplayr said:

Anyone who thought the outcome would be otherwise or predicted something much rosier than that was either overly optimistic, misled or misleading.

Biden?

[nsplayr]

4 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Biden?

Yea he was too optimistic on being able to “beat the virus” for both obvious political reasons and because pre-Omicron it was legit more likely we could collectively push the virus back to very very low levels. That time has passed and I think he knows that.

The problem is global vaccine inequity and if there’s a large reservoir of immunologically naïve humans (to this virus) anywhere on the planet that’s connected to the rest of the world, new and interesting mutations will continue to emerge given the sheer number of at-bats we’re giving the virus with every new infection.

Edited January 12, 2022 by nsplayr

[TheNewGazmo]

We've been down this road before:

Strong-arm tactics by the DOD, coupled with inadequate oversight and politically driven behavior by CDC and FDA, have resulted in the following problems. The final four points identify needed reforms.

1. The safety and efficacy of the currently used anthrax vaccine have never been established, either for cutaneous or inhalation exposure in humans.

2. FDA standards for use of an IND (experimental) product, which apply equally to civilian and military vaccines, were bypassed because of pressure from the DOD.

3. Anthrax vaccination appears to be one of the causes of Gulf War illnesses.

4. Vaccine manufacture has been substandard. For years, the vaccine manufacturer failed to meet current Good Manufacturing Practices requirements but was allowed to continue production. Over 6 million vaccine doses have been quarantined by the FDA, have failed the army's supplemental testing, or both.

5. Service members have been subjected to a CDC-sanctioned double standard of medical practice in which risk–benefit analysis does not apply.

6. The ability of military physicians to exercise their medical judgment has been suppressed.

7. Ill, recently vaccinated service members, who rely on military medical care and who are barred from filing suit against the government, find themselves reliving the plight of ill Gulf War veterans.

8. Medical professionals, who expect information from the CDC to meet the highest standards, have instead received misrepresentations concerning anthrax vaccine.

9. The CDC is supervising the conduct of safety and efficacy trials of the current vaccine, but its ability to be objective is in question. Furthermore, because the safety issues are unresolved, conducting a large trial of this vaccine in previously unvaccinated individuals is unethical. Retrospective surveillance to assess safety should be performed first on the recent vaccinees, as recommended by the Committee on Government Reform.20

10. Medical defense measures for biological warfare, including the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program, need independent civilian oversight, so that balanced medical decision making can occur, free of the influence of the chain of command.

11. The same regulatory requirements imposed on civilian vaccine and drug manufacturers must be met for military products.

12. Anthrax vaccine should be used only in the most dire circumstances. When employed for prophylaxis or treatment of inhalation anthrax, it should be under the conditions required for “off-label” use, including active surveillance for adverse reactions and obtaining free informed consent.

[HeloDude]

42 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Yea he was too optimistic on being able to “beat the virus” for both obvious political reasons and because pre-Omicron it was legit more likely we could collectively push the virus back to very very low levels. That time has passed and I think he knows that.

I think you mean he was straight up wrong…or he knew better and was lying.  Either way, people still believe this nonsense that we can “beat” the virus, and whenever that doesn’t happen, it’s the fault of other people (often blamed on conservatives/Trump supporters) who are stupid, selfish, etc and who aren’t doing their part.  Well, politics is a dirty game, and Biden is taking a big political hit with covid, which is funny I suppose since he used the issue to get elected.  

[M2]

Again, my suspicion is COVID will go the way of the Spanish Flu.  The question is when...

[dream big]

43 minutes ago, M2 said:

Again, my suspicion is COVID will go the way of the Spanish Flu.  The question is when...

2024 at the earliest 

[VMFA187]

14 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

The interview is a little hard to follow based on Bourla’s accent, so I pulled up the transcript. I can’t find the “very limited protection” quote you posted. He remarks that the current three dose vaccine provides “reasonable” protection against “severe disease” and “hospitalization” specifically against the Omicron variant. The transcript is posted below. Is there something missing from the transcript where he says the quote you’re referring to?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/10/first-on-cnbc-cnbc-transcript-pfizer-chairman-and-ceo-albert-bourla-speaks-with-cnbcs-squawk-box-today.html

I listened to him say those words in the video interview that I watched yesterday.

[Waingro]

11 hours ago, M2 said:

Again, my suspicion is COVID will go the way of the Spanish Flu.  The question is when...

Hasn't your suspicion been the overwhelming global consensus for at least a year now? 

[Negatory]

I agree with you, but I do find it funny. You know the Spanish flu barely killed anyone in the beginning, then killed the vast majority after a major mutation?

The truth is, we don’t know how this will go. For all we know, this could go the way of the bubonic plague and be endemic for decades and have a similar mortality rate throughout. Hope not, though.

[Pooter]

5 hours ago, Negatory said:

I agree with you, but I do find it funny. You know the Spanish flu barely killed anyone in the beginning, then killed the vast majority after a major mutation?

The truth is, we don’t know how this will go. For all we know, this could go the way of the bubonic plague and be endemic for decades and have a similar mortality rate throughout. Hope not, though.

Exactly. We have only been at this for two years and in the grand scheme of things know very little about this virus still. Each variant has caught the country with our collective pants down, and spiked the cases, hospitalizations, and deaths each time.  And right before each spike, far right pundits have been busy declaring the pandemic over.  
 

Meanwhile the left is busy turning everyone off to common sense prevention measures because they're in full retard panic mode determined to mandate absolutely everything.

 

I'm afraid we might be stuck in this stupid cycle for a long time.

[brickhistory]

Wll, that's convenient since this Administration has admitted it can't "stop the virus."  Just stop reporting on it.  Sure is nice to have allies...

https://apnews.com/article/omicron-changing-news-outlets-covid-data-da9272f7c4c8a109c3bfb56bed9e9c76

NEW YORK (AP) — For two years, coronavirus case counts and hospitalizations have been widely used barometers of the pandemic’s march across the world.

But the omicron wave is making a mess of the usual statistics, forcing news organizations to rethink the way they report such figures.

For that reason, The Associated Press has recently told its editors and reporters to avoid emphasizing case counts in stories about the disease. That means, for example, no more stories focused solely on a particular country or state setting a one-day record for number of cases, because that claim has become unreliable.

[skybert]

[Sua Sponte]

The SCOTUS just blocked federal vaccine mandate for large businesses.

https://apnews.com/article/eb5899ae1fe5b62b6f4d51f54a3cd375
 

SCOTUS Opinion

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a244_hgci.pdf

Edited January 13, 2022 by Sua Sponte

[dream big]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

The SCOTUS just blocked federal vaccine mandate for large businesses.

https://apnews.com/article/eb5899ae1fe5b62b6f4d51f54a3cd375
 

SCOTUS Opinion

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a244_hgci.pdf

No matter our opinion on the vaccine, this is a huge win for this country and our liberties.  It’s amazing to see checks and balances in work.  America will be okay. 

[HU&W]

11 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Wll, that's convenient since this Administration has admitted it can't "stop the virus."  Just stop reporting on it.  Sure is nice to have allies...

https://apnews.com/article/omicron-changing-news-outlets-covid-data-da9272f7c4c8a109c3bfb56bed9e9c76

NEW YORK (AP) — For two years, coronavirus case counts and hospitalizations have been widely used barometers of the pandemic’s march across the world.

But the omicron wave is making a mess of the usual statistics, forcing news organizations to rethink the way they report such figures.

For that reason, The Associated Press has recently told its editors and reporters to avoid emphasizing case counts in stories about the disease. That means, for example, no more stories focused solely on a particular country or state setting a one-day record for number of cases, because that claim has become unreliable.

That reason…and, it’s an election year.  If the Democrats lose both house and senate, I expect this administration will be treated with the same courtesy as the last one. 
 

The AP will do everything necessary to avoid that outcome. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by HU&W

[bfargin]