COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[bennynova]

6 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

What's up @Negatory. I guess it's a perception error, but you honestly came across like that. So, no, I'm not trying to misrepresent you. In our discussion (back then) it was pretty clear to me that what was being implied was that there was going to be mass death right around the corner. I stated that I did not buy that BS for a variety of reasons. Also, you could have, you know, responded with what you actually meant four days ago if I "misrepresented" you. Instead you waited until now to figure out that's not what you meant back then??? You can see how I'm (still) confused. How about you explain what you meant by 15% (or 30% as you quoted), and what this other pretext was. In any case, I'm not arguing fallaciously, and you are welcome to clarify.

If you had been context switching between Omicron infecting a million people a day and then back to vanilla COVID morting 5-15%, then I missed the fact that there were two separate and distinct points being made - so yeah, that's my perception problem. But I will admit that I went back and read the stuff from just prior to Christmas, and it is not clear that you were talking about two different bugs. That said, you did recognize that the data showed Omicron was highly infectious, but not as deadly - so I'll take that one.

Anyway, here's the big picture I take away from our previous conversation after having been removed from it for a while:

1. There is one group (you, et al) who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the PTB re: COVID measures.
2. There's another group (includes me) who is done with the charade and all things "unserious."

I mean you have people that are fine with measures being taken that were known (or thought) to be ineffective simply as a means to "do" something (I'm one who thinks masks have a limited personal effect; zero societal effect). Many people, including me, think forcing people to do things for show is anti-American. That's where I'm coming from. And besides that philosophical point, I'll say it's worth a moment's consideration to think about the implication of having the perception that something works, even though it actually doesn't, and then implementing it as policy. Do you think those types of misconceptions will lead people to take more or less appropriate risks? What will then be the actual real-world outcome of that policy? More or less infection? Seems clear to me what the answer is, but yet...

Others accept at face value that "COVID" is "killing" 20x more Americans than in other nations. Apparently you need to be some kind of "expert" to notice that is an odd thing and to raise it as a question. Or perhaps this, the fact that in California (of all places) they held the Super Bowl mostly mask-less (https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2022/02/face-masks-were-handed-out-at-the-super-bowl-but-few-fans-wore-them.html). Where was the enforcement? Why was this acceptable? My bet is that it was cool because there was a lot of money involved in it for CA. I would like to be a fly on the wall during some of the conversations between NFL executives and the CA government (https://www.wtok.com/2022/01/05/nfl-looks-contingency-sites-super-bowl-amid-covid-19/).

Anyway, it was these sorts of arguments that were (and still are) being made. My point now is the same as what it was then: This is now mostly about signaling/control, Omicron wasn't (isn't) going to kill everyone, and it's time to stop panicking and go back to (actual) normal. Stop the fear-based arguments and justifications for normalizing restrictions, lack of freedom, and unquestioned acceptance of authority. We are creating a generation of young children who are scared shitless of COVID though they are not at risk whatsoever, and are going to grow up more neurotic than they already were going to be.

We have different vaccines than most of the world.

 

we also don’t let drs prescribe certain medicines that might help.   Ivermectin, for one.   
 

 

these things might account for a 20x morality rate.   

[ViperMan]

6 minutes ago, bennynova said:

We have different vaccines than most of the world.

we also don’t let drs prescribe certain medicines that might help.   Ivermectin, for one.   

these things might account for a 20x morality rate.   

So our vaccines are worse, then? I've been reliably told that we have the best vaccines and boosters. Because COVID is killing us at 20x that of South Korea and Japan...that not strange?

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, ViperMan said:

So our vaccines are worse, then? I've been reliably told that we have the best vaccines and boosters. Because COVID is killing us at 20x that of South Korea and Japan...that not strange?

That has nothing to do with the vaccine and everything to do with obesity rates.

 

It's not strange at all, really.

[ClearedHot]

14 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I think this whole vaccination thing is BS but people trying the religious route when it’s total crap really pisses me off. Totally undermines folks that have legitimate religious beliefs. 

Will be interesting to see if SCOTUS steps in.

Could the Supreme Court strike down the military’s vaccination mandate?

[FLEA]

28 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Will be interesting to see if SCOTUS steps in.

Could the Supreme Court strike down the military’s vaccination mandate?

Personally I would like to see some protections instilled to allow more people to do public service while still maintaining moral congruency with their religion. I was a supporter of turbans and beards as well. I don't understand this mentality that you give up constitutional rights when you join the service. The supreme court has repeatedly struck down that argument and said as much. 

And while I realize the military wants to make arguments in favor of uniformity and esprit de corps, very hard to do that when you make a very public ad campaign that "diversity is our strength."

[bennynova]

18 hours ago, ViperMan said:

So our vaccines are worse, then? I've been reliably told that we have the best vaccines and boosters. Because COVID is killing us at 20x that of South Korea and Japan...that not strange?

Yea.  The best vaccine for covid is a dead virus, or having had covid.   The mRNA stuff messes with your body’s ability to make a true antibody.  

[bennynova]

15 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

That has nothing to do with the vaccine and everything to do with obesity rates.

 

It's not strange at all, really.

Interesting how much cancer and myocarditis and miscarriages have risen in the military demographic.   Which isn’t as obese as the rest of the USA.

[arg]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/02/24/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-concerning-the-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic/

 

[tac airlifter]

34 minutes ago, arg said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/02/24/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-concerning-the-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic/

 

What’s the point of posting this year old declaration?

[SurelySerious]

What’s the point of posting this year old declaration?

Maybe he meant to post the one from yesterday?

[brickhistory]

I am genuinely shocked and dismayed at the government reactions from governments I considered democratic and more liberal than us.

Namely, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, and somewhat the UK.  I simply could not imagine the measures they've implemented at government whim, not population voting.

I have always been supportive of the Second Amendment as one area where I can enjoy basic God-given rights, but I begin to understand the Founder's intent in specifically enumerating this right, perhaps.

[Lord Ratner]

On 2/18/2022 at 4:27 PM, bennynova said:

Interesting how much cancer and myocarditis and miscarriages have risen in the military demographic.   Which isn’t as obese as the rest of the USA.

Also not particularly interesting. Myocarditis is a well-established side effect of covid, both naturally occurring and vaccine-induced. In fact the only studies comparing it to the vaccine show that there is a higher rate of myocarditis in people who get the actual disease versus the vaccine.

 

Now, we don't have any information showing whether myocarditis from the omicron variant is more pervasive than myocarditis from the vaccine. It's very possible that the vaccine is taking the lead, given the dramatic reduction in severity of omicron.

 

Miscarriages wouldn't surprise me, I thought it was pretty crazy that they were recommending pregnant women get the vaccine. I certainly wouldn't want anyone in my family getting it while pregnant. I've seen zero data that suggests cancer is somehow connected to covid or the vaccine.

 

But to the original point, there is a direct and established correlation between obesity and covid severity, second only to age. And we have so many obese disgusting old people in America it actually seems normal to see some jiggly old corpse bumbling around the grocery store. So comparisons between countries with minuscule obesity rates and ours are going to be contaminated.

[Lord Ratner]

39 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

I am genuinely shocked and dismayed at the government reactions from governments I considered democratic and more liberal than us.

Namely, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, and somewhat the UK.  I simply could not imagine the measures they've implemented at government whim, not population voting.

I have always been supportive of the Second Amendment as one area where I can enjoy basic God-given rights, but I begin to understand the Founder's intent in specifically enumerating this right, perhaps.

I've never understood why people consider those countries to be more liberal. I suppose in the more modern progressive sense of the word, but I can't think of any country that's more liberal than the United States in the classical sense. We're still the only country with a true first amendment.

 

I still think the two best examples of why we have the second amendment are Waco and the Cliven Bundy standoff. The latter demonstrates how the second amendment can prevent government overreach, the former demonstrate how it amplifies the cost of government overreach to prevent future occurrences. I'm surprised we haven't had any good examples from the pandemic.

[tac airlifter]

CDC intentionally withholding COVAX data.

I’m so confused why this would be.  I thought vaccine efficacy and booster necessity was settled science.  If there’s one thing I’m 100% certain of because I’ve been told by the establishment, it’s these vaccines are safe and effective.  True you still get C19 after taking the vaccine even though they told us we wouldn’t, but I’m faithful the symptoms are more mild for vaccinated individuals.  Given all that, why aren’t the experts being completely forthright with all the data collected?  I want to prove these anti-vax science deniers wrong; if the CDC could be more open I’m sure it would reinforce their messaging.  
 

[ClearedHot]

17 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

CDC intentionally withholding COVAX data.

I’m so confused why this would be.  I thought vaccine efficacy and booster necessity was settled science.  If there’s one thing I’m 100% certain of because I’ve been told by the establishment, it’s these vaccines are safe and effective.  True you still get C19 after taking the vaccine even though they told us we wouldn’t, but I’m faithful the symptoms are more mild for vaccinated individuals.  Given all that, why aren’t the experts being completely forthright with all the data collected?  I want to prove these anti-vax science deniers wrong; if the CDC could be more open I’m sure it would reinforce their messaging.  
 

 

[Sim]

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm

[Blue]

41 minutes ago, Sim said:

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm

That link appears to go to a scientific paper, and the video is 25 minutes long.

 

Can you give a cliffs notes version of it all?

[Guest LumberjackAxe]

1 hour ago, Blue said:

That link appears to go to a scientific paper, and the video is 25 minutes long.

 

Can you give a cliffs notes version of it all?

"Our study shows that [Pfizer Vaccine] can be reverse transcribed to DNA in liver cell line Huh7, and this may give rise to the concern if [Pfizer Vaccine]-derived DNA may be integrated into the host genome and affect the integrity of genomic DNA, which may potentially mediate genotoxic side effects. At this stage, we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from [Pfizer Vaccine] is integrated into the cell genome. Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of [Pfizer Vaccine] on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to [Pfizer Vaccine], as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination."

 

[BashiChuni]

so i guess covid's over huh?

midterms coming up and a coordinated dropping of mask mandates, vax cards, vax mandates, etc

so scientific!

[TheNewGazmo]

so i guess covid's over huh?
midterms coming up and a coordinated dropping of mask mandates, vax cards, vax mandates, etc
so scientific!

And Russia/Ukraine. COVID is definitely not as doom and gloom as the chance of nuclear war.

[lloyd christmas]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

so i guess covid's over huh?

midterms coming up and a coordinated dropping of mask mandates, vax cards, vax mandates, etc

so scientific!

Funny how that works.  

[brickhistory]

I wonder if any of the supporters of the storming of COVID Beach regret the needless casualties DoD suffered now that the world is going back to somewhat normal?

I'm betting not.

[glockenspiel]

23 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

so i guess covid's over huh?

midterms coming up and a coordinated dropping of mask mandates, vax cards, vax mandates, etc

so scientific!

Well the ScIEnCe has changed. get with the times.

[skybert]

Plus free crack pipes! Biden 2024

[Sim]