COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[BashiChuni]

13 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Hold up... Define efficacy. 

 

So yeah, it works, so long as you redefine "works" in a way that no longer has much to do with military necessity.

Hilarious. It absolutely does not work. And it’s not your truth. 
 

“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is” - bill clinton. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by BashiChuni

[Boomer6]

6 hours ago, pawnman said:

AFROTC won't let cadets do base visits, activate scholarships, commission, or sign contracts after field training if they aren't vaccinated. 

Yep, am tracking restrictions based on being fully vaccinated. Booster requirements/being up-to-date is specifically what I’m talking about.

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

Yep, am tracking restrictions based on being fully vaccinated. Booster requirements/being up-to-date is specifically what I’m talking about.

There is a legal prohibition on military requiring boosters.  The booster remains under an EUA unlike the FDA approved shots.  There are some commanders trying to trick their people or pressure them into getting boosters because they have requirements to deploy into locations which require boosters (I think Kuwait is an example).  But that places those commanders in an precarious position, and would not survive first contact with legal.  

[Boomer6]

Yeah, I know of some Wg/CCs not allowing ppl to go TDY unless they’re up-to-date (vaccinated plus booster within 6mo). Just curious what other bases have the same policies.

[Standby]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

Yeah, I know of some Wg/CCs not allowing ppl to go TDY unless they’re up-to-date (vaccinated plus booster within 6mo). Just curious what other bases have the same policies.

No BS, that needs to be reported. 

[Boomer6]

7 minutes ago, Standby said:

No BS, that needs to be reported. 

Lol reported to who? The IG works for the Wg/CC. An AF level IG isn’t going to go against this kind of order. A letter to a congressman/senator, even a conservative one, wouldn’t do much with a liberal administration as top cover. Regardless of what I think I’m pretty sure there’s nothing stoping a Wg/CC from preventing ppl from going TDY unless they’re boosted. 

[Tank]

[tac airlifter]

12 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

I’m pretty sure there’s nothing stoping a Wg/CC from preventing ppl from going TDY unless they’re boosted. 

It’s an interesting question.  Are TDYs tied to career progression?  Is career progression tied to promotion?  
 

What would happen to a WG/CC if he told a pregnant airmen that based on her choice to become pregnant she would be denied opportunities for career development and progression?  Or what if only pilots who received elective eye surgery to forego wearing glasses could TDY, and therefore advance professionally?

Where I’m going here is that a policy of pushing elective medical procedures by attaching career impacting consequences to the choice wouldn’t withstand first contact with legal in any other context.  I copy a portion of society has gone COVID psycho, but it’s logically indefensible and unlikely to be sustained if pushed against.  Just my guess, I’m not a WG/CC.

[Boomer6]

10 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Where I’m going here is that a policy of pushing elective medical procedures by attaching career impacting consequences to the choice wouldn’t withstand first contact with legal in any other context.  I copy a portion of society has gone COVID psycho, but it’s logically indefensible and unlikely to be sustained if pushed against.  Just my guess, I’m not a WG/CC.

I think most of us can agree logic has went out the window with regard to the AF’s view of the vaccine. As far as the legal side goes the bobs send these declarations through legal before publishing them. Additionally, unless someone plans on suing their leadership I see an IG complaint as the only legal recourse members would have. However,  I think the only way to get movement through that route would be to submit a complaint to congress

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

I think most of us can agree logic has went out the window with regard to the AF’s view of the vaccine. As far as the legal side goes the bobs send these declarations through legal before publishing them. Additionally, unless someone plans on suing their leadership I see an IG complaint as the only legal recourse members would have. However,  I think the only way to get movement through that route would be to submit a complaint to congress

Also look into UCMJ Article 138. Once I learned about this, I now share it with everyone. Its one of the most powerful tools, you, as the member, have to hold a negligent commander accountable if they are doing something unlawful. May not be vaccine related, can be for anything. 

[Sim]

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More troubling, vaccinated toddlers in Pfizer’s trial were more likely to get severely ill with Covid than those who received a placebo. Pfizer claimed most severe cases weren’t “clinically significant,” whatever that means, but this was all the more reason that the FDA should have required a longer follow-up before authorizing the vaccine.

https://archive.ph/9AWJO#selection-4475.0-4475.342

[BashiChuni]

Which base will be the first to bring back masks this fall?

[SpeedOfHeat]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

Which base will be the first to bring back masks this fall?

Have any bases brought them back now?  Several bases are in counties that meet the CDC's definition of "High" Community Level.  For example, Maricopa in AZ.  Anyone at Luke?

DoD policy, as far as I can find, is to match CDC Community Level recommendations.

[Danger41]

Buckley has them back now and has for a couple weeks.

[SocialD]

11 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

Buckley has them back now and has for a couple weeks.

 

 

And people are actually wearing them?  Even on the the Guard side?

[Danger41]

8 minutes ago, SocialD said:

 

 

And people are actually wearing them?  Even on the the Guard side?

Denver has definitely got a sizable contingent of mask zealots. I’d say Buckley participation is not nearly that zealous, but the official policy is for indoor wear. Last I saw from the Redeyes they were running around in loin cloths and throwing spears at the monster rabbits running around the back gate. Nary a mask in sight.

[di1630]

I was at Nellis last week at a ceremony. Mask nazis out in full force including a fat shoe clerk that went out of her way to complain to management at the class six that I wasn’t masked when I walked in not knowing I needed one.

Just insane. No mandates at Luke except in med group. If I need to wear a mask to work, I’ll work from home when not flying = pool day like all the shoe clerks during the pandemic.

[dream big]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Which base will be the first to bring back masks this fall?

What’s going on this fall?..

[BashiChuni]

Seasonal COVID 

[Guardian]

Next variant release date

[GrndPndr]

4 hours ago, Guardian said:

Next variant release date

Going to happen, so why not take bets?  Interesting factor(s) include: November elections.  Gentlemen place your bets now.

[Blue]

Here in Chicagoland, our most recent indoor mask mandate ran from 17 Aug 21 to 28 Feb 22.  It was lifted citing drops in "key metrics" including hospitalizations and case numbers.

I assume mask mandates will return this winter.  They'll want to wait until after the midterm elections on Nov 8, so I'd wager sometime around Thanksgiving.

They seem to be paving the way already.  Our "COVID-19 Community Level" was raised to "High" by the CDC on 27 May 22.  As part of being rated "High," indoor mask wearing is "strongly recommended," but not required.   However, the city has stated: "Major mitigation changes (e.g. citywide indoor mask mandates) will be made based specifically on City of Chicago's COVID-19 hospital burden rather than the federally defined Health Service Area."

So, as soon as hospitalization rated tick up in the winter (as they have in the past), I assume indoor mask mandates will return.

Not to worry, the city has provided handy guidance (copied below).  Remember, it's important to get your vaccine.

I mean booster.

I mean second booster.

I mean, just make sure you stay "up to date" on your vaccine........

Also, good news, vaccinations are available for Chicagoans as young as 6 months.  Hurry up, Mom and Dad, get the kiddo out there to get their shots.........

[M2]

Bexar County (San Antonio) is also "high," yet we remain at HPCON Alpha (no masks required).

I sure as hell am not going to ask about it!

[BashiChuni]

Wow happened a lot sooner than I thought! I believe it’s legit…just went to barksdales fb page. Incredible 

[dream big]

13 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

Going to happen, so why not take bets?  Interesting factor(s) include: November elections.  Gentlemen place your bets now.

This is what I was alluding to.  The short attention span’s interest of the American public is fading away with regards to Ukraine…in need for another distraction prior to the election (not that Ukraine was intentional, just happenstance).