COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Prozac]

22 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

Going to happen, so why not take bets?  Interesting factor(s) include: November elections.  Gentlemen place your bets now.

Curious: I’m assuming you believe that the Democrats will “release” a new variant prior to the midterms. Can someone please explain to me how this would help them? Nobody actually likes Covid restrictions. People put up with them for a period of time because they believed those measures would help shorten the pandemic. Obviously, some believed this more than others, and some didn’t believe it at all. Fine. What’s done is done. The Dems are a lot of things, but they’re not politically ignorant. The idea that they will promote Covid restrictions to gain an advantage in the midterms requires some mental gymnastics that make zero sense to me. 

[brabus]

5 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Nobody actually likes Covid restrictions.

Lots of people like them in progressive states; never underestimate how many dumbasses live in this country. 

[BashiChuni]

13 minutes ago, brabus said:

Lots of people like them in progressive states; never underestimate how many dumbasses live in this country. 

I’d go one step farther and say many left leaning people LOVE them. It lets them physically demonstrate their moral superiority

[Prozac]

Guys, I’m a moderately liberal dude that is surrounded by people a magnitude further left than me. I don’t know anyone who enjoyed the restrictions. Sure, there were a surprising number of Karens who thought they were somehow anointed mask police, but even they were relieved when they could march into Whole Foods and sip freely on their double venti, extra pump, mocha Frappuccinos. Arguing that Dems actually want restrictions is like arguing that all conservatives are somehow racist. It’s a trope made up to convince you how different and “dangerous” the other side is so you’ll stay engaged and tuned in.  Don’t fall for it. 

[tac airlifter]

2 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Guys, I’m a moderately liberal dude that is surrounded by people a magnitude further left than me. I don’t know anyone who enjoyed the restrictions. Sure, there were a surprising number of Karens who thought they were somehow anointed mask police, but even they were relieved when they could march into Whole Foods and sip freely on their double venti, extra pump, mocha Frappuccinos. Arguing that Dems actually want restrictions is like arguing that all conservatives are somehow racist. It’s a trope made up to convince you how different and “dangerous” the other side is so you’ll stay engaged and tuned in.  Don’t fall for it. 

You bring up a good point. But the mask restrictions don’t work, and there is only one political group who follows them mindlessly and demeans those who think critically about the many absurd contradictions in enforcement: progressive liberals.  

[HeloDude]

True of False:  Covid restrictions led to a decrease in voting integrity in some states.  

[pawnman]

18 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Guys, I’m a moderately liberal dude that is surrounded by people a magnitude further left than me. I don’t know anyone who enjoyed the restrictions. Sure, there were a surprising number of Karens who thought they were somehow anointed mask police, but even they were relieved when they could march into Whole Foods and sip freely on their double venti, extra pump, mocha Frappuccinos. Arguing that Dems actually want restrictions is like arguing that all conservatives are somehow racist. It’s a trope made up to convince you how different and “dangerous” the other side is so you’ll stay engaged and tuned in.  Don’t fall for it. 

Where were the most oppressive restrictions? Who runs those states and cities? Are your far left friends anxious to get rid of folks like Newsom?

They may say that they don't like the restrictions, but their actions say otherwise. 

[Blue]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Curious: I’m assuming you believe that the Democrats will “release” a new variant prior to the midterms. 

I didn't get that out of @GrndPndr's post at all.

[Prozac]

50 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Where were the most oppressive restrictions? Who runs those states and cities? Are your far left friends anxious to get rid of folks like Newsom?

They may say that they don't like the restrictions, but their actions say otherwise. 

You guys are missing the point. Yes, liberal politicians will continue to get elected in California. No shit Sherlock. 😉 Still doesn’t explain how re-instituting restrictions help Dems keep/gain seats in contested districts come November. 

[SurelySerious]

You guys are missing the point. Yes, liberal politicians will continue to get elected in California. No shit Sherlock. Still doesn’t explain how re-instituting restrictions help Dems keep/gain seats in contested districts come November. 

You’re smart enough to see the point, you are probably just willfully acting like it doesn’t exist here to just act like you’re “right”: If it doesn’t bother the electorate enough to elect someone with different policies, then clearly they’re fine with the policies being enacted. That’s what they’re saying about which group has been in general instituted the most restrictive covid policies and why their voters must be ok with it.

[Blue]

14 minutes ago, Prozac said:

You guys are missing the point. Yes, liberal politicians will continue to get elected in California. No shit Sherlock. 😉 Still doesn’t explain how re-instituting restrictions help Dems keep/gain seats in contested districts come November. 

The way I read the last several posts, people expect mask mandates to be reinstituted sometime this fall or winter.

Along with speculation about how the November elections play into the timing of reinstituting mask mandates.  I think the unsaid implication is that Democrat politicians recognize they have an uphill battle in November, so they'll delay reinstituting mask mandates until after the election, since they know mask mandates are generally unpopular.

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

 all conservatives are somehow racist. It’s a trope made up

sorry buddy. the main democrat line is all conservatives are racists. and all republicans are insurrectionists.

the media is amplifying that message.

and if you didn't want to get a vax or wear a mask you wanted people to die.

 

unfortunately your party is actively encouraging this messaging. and the media is their messenger.

[BashiChuni]

38 minutes ago, Prozac said:

You guys are missing the point. Yes, liberal politicians will continue to get elected in California. No shit Sherlock. 😉 Still doesn’t explain how re-instituting restrictions help Dems keep/gain seats in contested districts come November. 

you're missing the point. you support the party and politicians who are actively enforcing masking/other restrictions.

we'd still have masks on planes if your party had it's choice

YOU support that thinking.

[filthy_liar]

2 hours ago, Prozac said:

Curious: I’m assuming you believe that the Democrats will “release” a new variant prior to the midterms. Can someone please explain to me how this would help them? Nobody actually likes Covid restrictions. People put up with them for a period of time because they believed those measures would help shorten the pandemic. Obviously, some believed this more than others, and some didn’t believe it at all. Fine. What’s done is done. The Dems are a lot of things, but they’re not politically ignorant. The idea that they will promote Covid restrictions to gain an advantage in the midterms requires some mental gymnastics that make zero sense to me. 

What you typed makes sense.  I hope you are correct.  But it appears that both parties are actively creating or at least creating the perception of crises and emergencies.

[VMFA187]

3 hours ago, Prozac said:

Nobody actually likes Covid restrictions. 

Wrong. Some people love actually feeling like they are for once in their lives doing something for the "common good" by playing along and attempting to force others to do the same. While those people may "say" they don't like covid restrictions, they do. 

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, Blue said:

The way I read the last several posts, people expect mask mandates to be reinstituted sometime this fall or winter.

Along with speculation about how the November elections play into the timing of reinstituting mask mandates.  I think the unsaid implication is that Democrat politicians recognize they have an uphill battle in November, so they'll delay reinstituting mask mandates until after the election, since they know mask mandates are generally unpopular.

This argument makes a bit more sense to me. Hope it doesn’t happen, but at least you’re thinking logically. I think you’ll find there are many here who expect the Dems to institute mandates in the hopes of GAINING votes. I don’t get it. 

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

you're missing the point. you support the party and politicians who are actively enforcing masking/other restrictions.

we'd still have masks on planes if your party had it's choice

YOU support that thinking.

Not my party brotha. Nor are the Rs or the Ls or anyone else. I tend to fall left on more issues. Doesn’t mean I vote party line or subscribe to the drivel that both major parties use to attract and manipulate voters. I’m willing to bet that most of us here have made a majority of our recent voting decisions based on what we perceive to be the “least bad” choice. We should start directing more ire at the two party system we’ve been saddled with and less at one another. 

[BashiChuni]

12 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Not my party brotha. Nor are the Rs or the Ls or anyone else. I tend to fall left on more issues. Doesn’t mean I vote party line or subscribe to the drivel that both major parties use to attract and manipulate voters. I’m willing to bet that most of us here have made a majority of our recent voting decisions based on what we perceive to be the “least bad” choice. We should start directing more ire at the two party system we’ve been saddled with and less at one another. 

I don’t disagree with you IRT the two party system. But you said you tend to fall left. 
 

there’s clearly only ONE party that is embracing COVID restrictions and masking. So by default by continuing to support and lean left, you are supporting that COVID ideology. 
 

maybe you will vote differently in the fall but unlikely. Either way none of my business. But do not confuse which political ideology is fawning over more control/restrictions/loss of liberty. 

[HeloDude]

27 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Not my party brotha. Nor are the Rs or the Ls or anyone else. I tend to fall left on more issues. Doesn’t mean I vote party line or subscribe to the drivel that both major parties use to attract and manipulate voters. I’m willing to bet that most of us here have made a majority of our recent voting decisions based on what we perceive to be the “least bad” choice. We should start directing more ire at the two party system we’ve been saddled with and less at one another. 

I like this post—and I agree with you on the two major parties.  Where we often differ is on the actual issues themselves.  
 

One more point about the parties:  They have both gone further left/right, respectively compared to years past, but if you compare the Dems of the 80s and 90s to today vs the GOP of the 80s and 90s to today, I think it’s safe to say one has definitely moved further than the other.  
 

Elon Musk pointed out the same issue not too long ago, and though the meme isn’t entirely accurate, it does make the point.

[Prozac]

7 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

I don’t disagree with you IRT the two party system. But you said you tend to fall left. 
 

there’s clearly only ONE party that is embracing COVID restrictions and masking. So by default by continuing to support and lean left, you are supporting that COVID ideology. 
 

maybe you will vote differently in the fall but unlikely. Either way none of my business. But do not confuse which political ideology is fawning over more control/restrictions/loss of liberty. 

Let me give you a personal example just to clarify a bit further: I live in Washington state. Our governor is Jay Inslee. You may remember him as the one trick pony who ran for president one one platform and one platform only; climate change. I don’t much care for the man and I think many of his gubernatorial policies fall flat. We had a gubernatorial election in 2020, in the midst of the pandemic. The “top two” candidates after our unique form of primary predictably included Inslee, the incumbent, and a Republican challenger, Loren Culp. There was no shortage of candidates willing to throw their hats into the ring, but due to the power of the parties, there was no one capable of challenging the Parties’ choices. While I didn’t particularly like Inslee, Culp was even further off his own party’s deep end (IMO) and I held my nose and voted D. Had there been a viable Democrat candidate right of Inslee or Republican candidate left of Culp, I likely would’ve voted for them. (Admittedly) Circumstantial evidence suggests I wasn’t alone in this line of thinking. So yes, I voted for a politician whose policies I didn’t agree with because the alternative was even less acceptable to me. Most of us here have likely had similar experiences regardless of political leanings or affiliations. I think that probably describes the thinking of most of our country. And yet, rather than brainstorm ideas of how to fix this problem and get back to good governance, we seem to prefer (have been conditioned?) to point fingers at one another and blame our friends, families, and neighbors for our nation’s ills. This is not healthy, and plays right into both parties’ hands and rests even more power with them while further distancing the American people from the power that should ultimately reside in their own hands. 

[pawnman]

12 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Let me give you a personal example just to clarify a bit further: I live in Washington state. Our governor is Jay Inslee. You may remember him as the one trick pony who ran for president one one platform and one platform only; climate change. I don’t much care for the man and I think many of his gubernatorial policies fall flat. We had a gubernatorial election in 2020, in the midst of the pandemic. The “top two” candidates after our unique form of primary predictably included Inslee, the incumbent, and a Republican challenger, Loren Culp. There was no shortage of candidates willing to throw their hats into the ring, but due to the power of the parties, there was no one capable of challenging the Parties’ choices. While I didn’t particularly like Inslee, Culp was even further off his own party’s deep end (IMO) and I held my nose and voted D. Had there been a viable Democrat candidate right of Inslee or Republican candidate left of Culp, I likely would’ve voted for them. (Admittedly) Circumstantial evidence suggests I wasn’t alone in this line of thinking. So yes, I voted for a politician whose policies I didn’t agree with because the alternative was even less acceptable to me. Most of us here have likely had similar experiences regardless of political leanings or affiliations. I think that probably describes the thinking of most of our country. And yet, rather than brainstorm ideas of how to fix this problem and get back to good governance, we seem to prefer (have been conditioned?) to point fingers at one another and blame our friends, families, and neighbors for our nation’s ills. This is not healthy, and plays right into both parties’ hands and rests even more power with them while further distancing the American people from the power that should ultimately reside in their own hands. 

You get the behavior you reward. Voters in the state of Washington rewarded Inslee's behavior by re-electing him...so expect to get more of the behavior that Inslee showed prior to the election. 

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Let me give you a personal example just to clarify a bit further: I live in Washington state. Our governor is Jay Inslee. You may remember him as the one trick pony who ran for president one one platform and one platform only; climate change. I don’t much care for the man and I think many of his gubernatorial policies fall flat. We had a gubernatorial election in 2020, in the midst of the pandemic. The “top two” candidates after our unique form of primary predictably included Inslee, the incumbent, and a Republican challenger, Loren Culp. There was no shortage of candidates willing to throw their hats into the ring, but due to the power of the parties, there was no one capable of challenging the Parties’ choices. While I didn’t particularly like Inslee, Culp was even further off his own party’s deep end (IMO) and I held my nose and voted D. Had there been a viable Democrat candidate right of Inslee or Republican candidate left of Culp, I likely would’ve voted for them. (Admittedly) Circumstantial evidence suggests I wasn’t alone in this line of thinking. So yes, I voted for a politician whose policies I didn’t agree with because the alternative was even less acceptable to me. Most of us here have likely had similar experiences regardless of political leanings or affiliations. I think that probably describes the thinking of most of our country. And yet, rather than brainstorm ideas of how to fix this problem and get back to good governance, we seem to prefer (have been conditioned?) to point fingers at one another and blame our friends, families, and neighbors for our nation’s ills. This is not healthy, and plays right into both parties’ hands and rests even more power with them while further distancing the American people from the power that should ultimately reside in their own hands. 

that EXACT attitude is coming from people who move AWAY from crazy states like WA and into TX, FL, and other republican run states.

they end up voting THE SAME WAY due to this logic. mind blowing.

 

copy you don't like the republican either, but the side you're casting your vote for is the side which believes in taking away MORE of your liberty. I just cannot understand how you "hold your nose" and vote for that.

[GrndPndr]

So my post, from so long ago (previous page) in referring to another Covid variant, was not that Democrats would release the new variant, but that one would magically appear - which is the way some of these things seem to happen.  It was also driven by POTUS, who said there would be another one (22 June).  We'll just have to be prepared:

So, I'm cheap, I'll throw down $5. that a new one will appear after the elections.  Do you want me to guess the exact date (I won't be able to, but what the hay).

[Sim]

 

 

Another lie debunked.

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

copy you don't like the republican either, but the side you're casting your vote for is the side which believes in taking away MORE of your liberty. I just cannot understand how you "hold your nose" and vote for that.

Well, it seems to me that the Republicans are quite adept at threatening liberties lately. Privacy, reproductive rights, and separation of church and state come to mind. Just depends on what liberties you value and for whom I guess. But I digress. Was actually trying to avoid a partisan fight. I guess a lot of you really do believe the whole party line and have never voted for anyone who didn’t fit your description of an ideal candidate for lack of better options. Good for you. Back in the real world there are probably around a couple hundred million Americans who don’t see things exactly the way you do. Parties want you to see them as the enemy. This isn’t because they want what’s best for the country. It’s because it’s what’s best for them. 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Prozac
A hundred thousand, a hundred million. What’s the difference amongst friends? 😎