COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[BashiChuni]

i don't disagree with your premise that the two party system is bad for this country. what's worse is our 4th branch of government: un-elected, unaccountable, bureaucrats. trump was right about the deep state. it very much exists on both sides of the spectrum. second worst are career politicians.

privacy: patriot act was horrible. bush neocons fucked up a lot of the world and domestic liberties. the spying done on the trump campaign and the obama administration using the IRS to hit back against conservative voices was just as bad. both sides naughty.

reproductive rights? i'm willing to compromise. make it like france. first 15 weeks of a pregnancy are free. after that no abortions. the left says until the baby is out of the vagina you can kill it. that's wrong. but again i think there's room for compromise. justice thomas coming after birth control is just ridiculous and a bridge too far

separation of church and state was designed to keep the government out of the church. not vice versa. it's not a debate. that's fact. reference any number of the founders writings. you can see how our society is suffering when you remove God or any sort of moral bedrock principles. it'll only get worse.

 

but back to the core issue. the only side shutting down businesses, mandating shots and boosters in your body, telling you to mask up...is the left.

Edited July 7, 2022 by BashiChuni

[zmoney]

38 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

separation of church and state was designed to keep the government out of the church. not vice versa. it's not a debate. that's fact. reference any number of the founders writings. you can see how our society is suffering when you remove God or any sort of moral bedrock principles. it'll only get worse.

Which religion should the government embrace?

[BashiChuni]

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other"

 

- John Adams 1798

[uhhello]

21 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other"

 

- John Adams 1798

"[T]hat the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty." —Thomas Jefferson, 1779

 

"The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate." —James Madison, 1785

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." —The Constitution. First Amendment.

 

I could go on and on and on 🙂

[LookieRookie]

 "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

-treaty of Tripoli, 1976, signed by John Adams

[Sim]

Lets get back to China-Flu*

 

(* - funded by USG)

[dream big]

8 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

So my post, from so long ago (previous page) in referring to another Covid variant, was not that Democrats would release the new variant, but that one would magically appear - which is the way some of these things seem to happen.  It was also driven by POTUS, who said there would be another one (22 June).  We'll just have to be prepared:

So, I'm cheap, I'll throw down $5. that a new one will appear after the elections.  Do you want me to guess the exact date (I won't be able to, but what the hay).

I’ll wager the other direction, the new variant will be hyped up by the dems to distract us from this current embarrassment.  Mandates will be reinstated, providing the dems a means to say “look guys we are protecting you against scary Covid, vote for us.” It also provides a scarecrow with regards to those on the right for the left to attack just prior to the election.  Yeah, many on the left actually do love the restrictions. It’s the left’s equiv of the George Bush era patriot act to the then neo cons. 
 

 

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, dream big said:

I’ll wager the other direction, the new variant will be hyped up by the dems to distract us from this current embarrassment.  Mandates will be reinstated, providing the dems a means to say “look guys we are protecting you against scary Covid, vote for us.” It also provides a scarecrow with regards to those on the right for the left to attack just prior to the election.  Yeah, many on the left actually do love the restrictions. It’s the left’s equiv of the George Bush era patriot act to the then neo cons. 
 

 

And then they'll blame the restrictions for the economy, hoping American voters will forget how bad it was before the restrictions. 

[arg]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:43 AM, VMFA187 said:

Wrong. Some people love actually feeling like they are for once in their lives doing something for the "common good" by playing along and attempting to force others to do the same. While those people may "say" they don't like covid restrictions, they do. 

And they smile when they see people wearing masks. Like the shoe clerks smile when they see someone wearing a reflective belt in the daytime.

[Sim]

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73

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Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure

 

So about that "conspiracy".... 

 

[otsap]

The judge in Doster v. Kendall just this morning certified a class action including all Air Force, Space Force, Guard/Reserve, Cadets, etc, and issued a Temporary Restraining Order prohibiting the AF from taking adverse action against unvaxxed members who filed a Religious Accommodation Request that is either still being processed or was denied.  The TRO lasts 14 days, DoD has 7 days to respond and argue against class certification.  At that point the judge either accepts DoD's argument, unlikely IMO, or more probably issues a Preliminary Injunction.

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, otsap said:

The judge in Doster v. Kendall just this morning certified a class action including all Air Force, Space Force, Guard/Reserve, Cadets, etc, and issued a Temporary Restraining Order prohibiting the AF from taking adverse action against unvaxxed members who filed a Religious Accommodation Request that is either still being processed or was denied.  The TRO lasts 14 days, DoD has 7 days to respond and argue against class certification.  At that point the judge either accepts DoD's argument, unlikely IMO, or more probably issues a Preliminary Injunction.

My guess is the government changes their tune suddenly and claims there is no longer a vaccination mandate, and thus the case has no standing to proceed. This is exactly what they did with the mask mandate when a federal judge issued an injunction, because they realized it would be much worse to their cause to have a completed ruling that sets a precedent. If they just admit defeat (by admitting nothing at all and simply dropping the mandate with no explanation) now, then 20 or 30 or 100 years later when the next pandemic hits, they won't have a clearly established precedent stopping them from doing what they want.

[HeloDude]

In turn, the DoD then just says, “Fine…everyone back in masks”.  Maybe?  Who knows.

[MCO]

6 hours ago, otsap said:

The judge in Doster v. Kendall just this morning certified a class action including all Air Force, Space Force, Guard/Reserve, Cadets, etc, and issued a Temporary Restraining Order prohibiting the AF from taking adverse action against unvaxxed members who filed a Religious Accommodation Request that is either still being processed or was denied.  The TRO lasts 14 days, DoD has 7 days to respond and argue against class certification.  At that point the judge either accepts DoD's argument, unlikely IMO, or more probably issues a Preliminary Injunction.

Curious how this works since for a lot of people the religious accommodation is acknowledged but then not having the vaccination is incompatible with service after the religious accommodation which is the reason for separation.

[dream big]

8 hours ago, HeloDude said:

In turn, the DoD then just says, “Fine…everyone back in masks”.  Maybe?  Who knows.

Good luck 

[BrightNeptune]

16 hours ago, dream big said:

Good luck 

People would roll over just as easily as they did last time. Med groups are still in masks and will be forever. 

 

[Sim]

"Safe and effective" - CDC/FDA/DOD

[skybert]

Got super tired last Wednesday and had a cough. Mama hounded me to take the test. Yep, ‘rona. 
 

 A little whipped mowing the lawn Saturday, but now I’m back to being my normal dumbass self.

[Sim]

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Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals. According to European Medicines Agency recommendations, frequent COVID-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. The decrease in immunity can be caused by several factors such as N1-methylpseudouridine, the spike protein, lipid nanoparticles, antibody-dependent enhancement, and the original antigenic stimulus. These clinical alterations may explain the association reported between COVID-19 vaccination and shingles. As a safety measure, further booster vaccinations should be discontinued.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01831-0

 

 

[brabus]

I’m shocked!

[FUSEPLUG]

Don't worry though... there are plenty of other sources telling us all how great these vaccines are!

 

[Standby]

People like this are allowed to vote…

[Sim]

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/077-ORDER-GRANTING-CLASS-WIDE-PRELIMINARY-INJUNCTION-c25ace314ba32f40f8c6e1dfce73437e.pdf

 

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The Court MODIFIES the Class as follows: All active-duty, active reserve, reserve, national guard, inductees, and appointees of the United States Air Force and Space Force, including but not limited to Air Force Academy Cadets, Air Force Reserve Officer Training Corps (AFROTC) Cadets, Members of the Air Force Reserve Command, and any Airman who has sworn or affirmed the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office or Enlistment and is currently under command and could be deployed, who: (i) submitted a religious accommodation request to the Air Force from the Air Force 1 s COVID-19 vaccination requirement, where the request was submitted or was pending, from September 1, 2021 to the present; (ii) were confirmed as having had a sincerely held religious belief substantially burdened by the Air Force's COVID19 vaccination requirement by or through Air Force Chaplains; and (iii) either had their requested accommodation denied or have not had action on that request. Excluded from this definition shall be any person within the above class who: (i) opts out, by delivering notice to the Government and Class Counsel in writing of their election to opt out, by electronic mail addresses to be filed with Court.

 

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Defendants, and their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and other people acting in concert or participation with them, who receive notice of this preliminary injunction, are PRELIMINARILY ENJOINED from: (i) taking, furthering, or continuing any disciplinary or separation measures against the members of the Class for their refusal to receive the COVID-19 vaccine, while keeping in place the current temporary exemption; such disciplinary or separation measures include, but are not limited to, "adverse administrative actions, non-judicial punishment, administrative demotions, administrative discharges, and courts-martial;" for the benefit of Defendants, this includes continuing any administrative separation or punitive processes or initiating the same

 

[LookieRookie]

21 hours ago, Sim said:

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/077-ORDER-GRANTING-CLASS-WIDE-PRELIMINARY-INJUNCTION-c25ace314ba32f40f8c6e1dfce73437e.pdf

 

 

 

So does the 19 AF/CC grounding pilots that aren’t shot up count as adverse action?

[Standby]

1 hour ago, LookieRookie said:

So does the 19 AF/CC grounding pilots that aren’t shot up count as adverse action?

Tinfoil hat: do we think it’s a coincidence that the recent fleet issues crop up immediately after the injunction update? 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Standby