COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Scooter14]

ClearedHot.


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I’m not being facetious. If there’s data out there, it’s worth taking a look at.

We all made decisions based on what we knew and believed at the time.

Delta was the prevalent variant up my way last winter. A lot of people got vax/boosted up here (myself included) because the hospital data showed the majority of those in critical care were unvaxxed. That wasn’t the case in other parts of the country.

The news has been COVID quiet. No more money in it and it’s a new administration so no more gloom and doom. People are burned out and it’s not a threat anymore.

It would be interesting to see what happens moving forward now that “COVID’s over”…which I believe to be true.

People said that if you got the vax you’d be dead in 6 months. I’m still here.

Some people said it would affect birth rates. Hasn’t yet around here and we are a highly vaccinated area.

If the protein or the mRNA is persistent in the body, that’s disconcerting and ID like to read more about it.

Time will tell I guess.

[ClearedHot]

Scooter - This was the first study that came out of Sweden (https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73). I believe there is a more current one but I am on the road and don't have the link with me.

I have a good friend who is a govt employee and refused the vaccine, she has an ongoing court case and has sent me several of the studies her lawyers are using in her case.  The study above got a lot of attention and was immediately labeled misinformation, not because it is not true but because the study was conducted in the lab (with actual human liver cells), but not in actual humans, I think actual humans is the next phase.  Regardless, in the lab with human cells there was a VERY concerning change as expressed in these lines form the abstract:

We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.

"Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells." 

This was NOT supposed to happen, we were repeatedly assured that the MRNA simply stimulated an immune response and would not be integrated into our cells.  At least in the lab that has been shown to be untrue.

I am not anti-vaccine and nitwits like Captain Morgan are free to ignore science but I find this very troubling. I understand a global pandemic may be a reason to take risk and rush through a vaccine, but are just now getting to longer-term studies that show long-term impacts.   Again, there is still debate about this study, some even called it modeling and while some protein experts in particular say this is taken out of context or not possible, I do find it interesting that the CDC quietly removed some vaccine information off their website related to how long the material stays in your body.  Maybe it is just me but having the government move the goal post is very concerning.

Archived CDC website

https://web.archive.org/web/20220721092000/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Latest version of CDC website

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html?fbclid=IwAR0XSR1myc07zPdaCg1EMBoLEmxHzaP244hj4jq7MQcdOM3rM80wZIt7lKs

[ecugringo]

Kids are going back to school, inflation, recession, midterms, low approval ratings, Ukraine, China…..I’m sure the cdc guidelines are completely unrelated.

 

[Scooter14]

Maybe it is just me but having the government move the goal post is very concerning.

It’s not just you. That is disconcerting if true.

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, herkbum said:

We refused to give the shot to our kids since there was no data on long lasting effects.


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Or evidence that kids were at risk.

[dream big]

17 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

COVID is over given the new CDC guidance.  Symptoms or no symptoms, vaccinated or unvaccinated, no need to wear masks or quarantine, just reflect on personal choices (as it’s always been).  This is as close as we will ever get to an official announcement: “go back to normal, it’s over.”  
 

By implication, this new CDC stance is tacit acknowledgement that the vaccines and boosters are worthless. 

Then why are installation commanders still enforcing mask mandates across the military? 

[tac airlifter]

3 hours ago, dream big said:

Then why are installation commanders still enforcing mask mandates across the military? 

Because they are on the tail end of the policy whip…. And have no brains themselves.  Do you think those people became wing commanders by a proven track record of bold leadership? Or by dogmatic compliance?  
 

I expect many of those policies to quietly change, but some will remain. People are not rational beings, pride will factor into this.  And then one day a new wing commander will be asked publicly why he still requires masking and he will reply “that’s not my policy” and, just like blues Monday, we will slowly stop doing something everybody hates that has no benefit.

[ClearedHot]

The current situation with the CDC is complete lunacy and not connected to science or logic. 

Recently the U.S. dropped the requirement for foreign visitors to show a negative test, they only have to prove they have been vaccinated.  As demonstrated by double vaccinated and double boosted Biden, the vaccine does NOT stop infection.  That means someone could have an active infection but as long as they are vaccinated....Come on in man.

There is a further disconnect playing out in the press surrounding Novak Djokovic who is not vaccinated.  He had COVID in November, his natural immunity is ikely much stronger than most people who were vaccinated when the vaccine first came out.  As of today they are not going to let him in the country to play in the U.S. Open. 

Oddly, this policy doesn't apply to illegals who are not vaccinated.  They show up at the border and under the Biden Administration...come on in man.

Again, I am not against the vaccine, I got it and the first booster, but we need some common sense here because this administration is flailing. 

[Biff_T]

The government is a joke.  Especially, at the federal level.  Everything is politicized and used in  the next election.   What do you expect from our leadership?  Guidance that makes sense.  Come on man.  I'm more worried about what pronoun to use on myself than covid.  Lol

 

[BashiChuni]

Lol

[LookieRookie]

On 8/14/2022 at 10:10 AM, herkbum said:

We refused to give the shot to our kids since there was no data on long lasting effects.


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same

[Sim]

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Cardiovascular Effects of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine in Adolescents

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202208.0151/v1

 

[Sim]

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The Biden Administration Ends COVID-19 Testing Aimed at Unvaccinated Workers

Employees will soon face the same safety protocols regardless of vaccination status.

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2022/08/biden-administration-ends-covid-19-testing-aimed-unvaccinated-workers/375978/

[Sim]

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I am announcing today that I will be stepping down from the positions of Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and Chief of the NIAID Laboratory of Immunoregulation, as well as the position of Chief Medical Advisor to President Joe Biden. I will be leaving these positions in December of this year to pursue the next chapter of my career.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/statement-anthony-s-fauci-md

 

 

[FourFans]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:22 PM, Sim said:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/statement-anthony-s-fauci-md

Brilliant scientist.  Also a narcissistic d-bag who no one voted for yet somehow set national economic and social policy...as a medical expert...    Good riddance. 

[Sim]

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

I don't always get my political wisdom from ham-fisted hyper biased cartoons.. but when I do its from the guy who's sucking trump off so hard he invariably portrays a 76 year old man as a fit beefcake. 

Such compelling stuff. Much commentary. Wow.

[dream big]

35 minutes ago, Pooter said:

I don't always get my political wisdom from ham-fisted hyper biased cartoons.. but when I do its from the guy who's sucking trump off so hard he invariably portrays a 76 year old man as a fit beefcake. 

Such compelling stuff. Much commentary. Wow.

I know you’re probably sad about Fauci, how will you ever know when to wear your mask again so you can always be a good little complicit citizen!?

[ClearedHot]

POTUS wife who is double vaccinated and double boosted just tested positive AGAIN for COVID in a rebound case.

[BashiChuni]

if she wasn't double boosted her symptoms would be MUCH worse

she is thankful

[Pooter]

12 hours ago, dream big said:

I know you’re probably sad about Fauci, how will you ever know when to wear your mask again so you can always be a good little complicit citizen!?

You got me! I'm actually a mask mandate-loving cuck, and this cartoonist's subtle, biting political commentary doesn't have a homoerotic trump fixation at all.  

[tac airlifter]

45 minutes ago, Pooter said:

You got me! I'm actually a mask mandate-loving cuck, and this cartoonist's subtle, biting political commentary doesn't have a homoerotic trump fixation at all.  

Lotta unnecessary dick talk in there, very odd.

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

POTUS wife who is double vaccinated and double boosted just tested positive AGAIN for COVID in a rebound case.

Clearly there is a correlation between getting multiple shots and contracting COVID. It is plain as day that public health authorities have misled the public: Lockdowns did not work, masking hurt kids, virus was man-made from a Chinese bio-lab, NIH conducted illegal gain-of-function research, the shots do not stop the spread… all trending towards true despite the best effort of big tech and government to censor it. Unbelievable, never something I thought I would see in my lifetime.

Next “conspiracy” that will be proven true is the harmful effects of these disgusting experimental shots that were forced on us all.  

I want accountability.

[Pooter]

39 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Clearly there is a correlation between getting multiple shots and contracting COVID.

*citation needed. I know joe and Jill Biden are important and I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure one old couple with repeat infections is not a statistically significant data set. 

Also I've been reliably informed by far right pundits that getting covid isn't the concern. Dying from covid is. 

So what's the problem here? Biden got the vax which was designed for and was far more effective against the early variants. (Which were also more deadly.) This boosted immunity in the early stages of the pandemic when it was particularly dangerous for the elderly.

Now that the virus has had 2+ years to mutate, the vaccine is less effective, and the strains are more contagious but thankfully  less virulent. (Something literally every scientist worth their salt predicted..)

And as the data changed the CDC and basically every state has lifted mandates correspondingly. Turns out the dems are still in charge and we aren't descending into a "zero covid or bust" 1984 hellhole. Things are just kindof going back to normal now that it isn't as big of a threat.  You guys so desperately want there to be a conspiracy but I'm just not seeing it. 

Perhaps the one valid complaint you have left is how slow the military has been to get their policies in line with emerging medical guidance. But if you expected timely policy updates from the military I have a bridge to sell you. 

[BashiChuni]

49 minutes ago, Pooter said:

*citation needed. I know joe and Jill Biden are important and I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure one old couple with repeat infections is not a statistically significant data set. 

Also I've been reliably informed by far right pundits that getting covid isn't the concern. Dying from covid is. 

So what's the problem here? Biden got the vax which was designed for and was far more effective against the early variants. (Which were also more deadly.) This boosted immunity in the early stages of the pandemic when it was particularly dangerous for the elderly.

Now that the virus has had 2+ years to mutate, the vaccine is less effective, and the strains are more contagious but thankfully  less virulent. (Something literally every scientist worth their salt predicted..)

And as the data changed the CDC and basically every state has lifted mandates correspondingly. Turns out the dems are still in charge and we aren't descending into a "zero covid or bust" 1984 hellhole. Things are just kindof going back to normal now that it isn't as big of a threat.  You guys so desperately want there to be a conspiracy but I'm just not seeing it. 

Perhaps the one valid complaint you have left is how slow the military has been to get their policies in line with emerging medical guidance. But if you expected timely policy updates from the military I have a bridge to sell you. 

that's all well and good....IF people hadn't been forced to close their businesses, IF people hadn't been forced to take an experimental drug or get fired, IF kids hadn't (and in some states STILL) been forced to wear masks in schools, IF big tech hadn't censored only ONE side of the argument AT THE FUCKING DIRECTION OF THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AKA CDC

hell NYC and LAX STILL "require" MASKS in the airport. thankfully people with a brain don't wear one. but hell man it's not fucking over.

IF all those things hadn't happened i'd tend to agree with you...no problem. But all that shit did happen. and the decision makers were wrong. hundreds of thousands/millions of lives were fucked up. there needs to be accountability.

Edited August 24, 2022 by BashiChuni

[Guest nsplayr]

Oh wow, he used the big font and even some ALL CAPS.

A sure sign of winning the debate!

Edited August 25, 2022 by nsplayr